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Ryan
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If he was on 750k then we could get one heck of a foreign marquee for that sort of cash. It might have been that the management hoped that a home town boy done good would increase crowds, but most of the marketing that I saw was around Krishna anyway.

Even attracting Burns back would probably get more bums on seats after how he performed last time he was here than Kosta did.

Ultimately if he doesn't want to be here then it's better to say to the coach here's a heck of a lot of cash that you can spend on your much talked about European contacts.

David Dome said on the radio that they thought about it for four months and waited to make a decision until the new coach was involved, so it seems as though there was the opportunity to force him to stay but the coach was reasonably happy for him to leave. It certainly seems less extreme than the Powell or Tratt reasons for leaving. 

What I'd like to see though is the club to hang on to these players until the last moment and try and make some money off selling them overseas, or at the very least trade them with other A-League clubs.

If his partner really was homesick then she's going to have trouble being in a relationship with a footballer or she's really going to hobble his career aspirations.

June 06, 2017 11:23 · Edited June 06, 2017 11:38
patrick478
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Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.
June 06, 2017 11:32
ConanTroutman
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Ryan wrote:

If he was on 750k then we could get one heck of a foreign marquee for that sort of cash. It might have been that the management hoped that a home town boy done good would increase crowds, but most of the marketing that I saw was around Krishna anyway.

Even attracting Burns back would probably get more bums on seats after how he performed last time he was here than Kosta did.

Ultimately if he doesn't want to be here then it's better to say to the coach here's a heck of a lot of cash that you can spend on your much talked about European contacts.

David Dome said on the radio that they thought about it for four months and waited to make a decision until the new coach was involved, so it seems as though there was the opportunity to force him to stay but the coach was reasonably happy for him to leave. It certainly seems less extreme than the Powell or Tratt reasons for leaving. 

What I'd like to see though is the club to hang on to these players until the last moment and try and make some money off selling them overseas, or at the very least trade them with other A-League clubs.

If his partner really was homesick then she's going to have trouble being in a relationship with a footballer or she's really going to hobble his career aspirations.

You can't really make money off selling someone like Kosta because he's not significantly better than a wide range of players who would be off contract anyway, so why would a club a pay a transfer fee for him? Any fee you could get would be small, and if say he was on 750k and you were trying to sell him for 50k, then if it took a month longer to find a buyer you've spent more money paying for his salary than you earn back selling him. It really does just make sense to mutually terminate the contract
June 06, 2017 12:17
james dean
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patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

The fact is that the Phoenix are VERY bad at informing their fans of anything and it is not doing a lot to keep core fans engaged (which is a separate discussion I know).  

Overseas the way this plays out is Kosta gets a release, the official line is we're not commenting and then the Phoenix brief the media "sources close to the Phoenix say Kosta wanted out after his partner failed to settle in Wellington but the as yet unannounced Phoenix manager, having run his eye over the player in training with the All Whites in Norther Ireland, was happy to grant him a release believing funds could be spent recruiting a striker to score the goals the team has been lacking in past seasons". 

Why does everything have to be so cloak and dagger?  It's baffling to me

June 06, 2017 12:29
Ryan
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ConanTroutman wrote:

Ryan wrote:

If he was on 750k then we could get one heck of a foreign marquee for that sort of cash. It might have been that the management hoped that a home town boy done good would increase crowds, but most of the marketing that I saw was around Krishna anyway.

Even attracting Burns back would probably get more bums on seats after how he performed last time he was here than Kosta did.

Ultimately if he doesn't want to be here then it's better to say to the coach here's a heck of a lot of cash that you can spend on your much talked about European contacts.

David Dome said on the radio that they thought about it for four months and waited to make a decision until the new coach was involved, so it seems as though there was the opportunity to force him to stay but the coach was reasonably happy for him to leave. It certainly seems less extreme than the Powell or Tratt reasons for leaving. 

What I'd like to see though is the club to hang on to these players until the last moment and try and make some money off selling them overseas, or at the very least trade them with other A-League clubs.

If his partner really was homesick then she's going to have trouble being in a relationship with a footballer or she's really going to hobble his career aspirations.

You can't really make money off selling someone like Kosta because he's not significantly better than a wide range of players who would be off contract anyway, so why would a club a pay a transfer fee for him? Any fee you could get would be small, and if say he was on 750k and you were trying to sell him for 50k, then if it took a month longer to find a buyer you've spent more money paying for his salary than you earn back selling him. It really does just make sense to mutually terminate the contract

I suppose so, also it was important that the announcement happened when it did, they held onto him until the end of the A-League financial year so his wages don't eat into the salary cap for this season.

June 06, 2017 12:34
brumbys
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james dean wrote:

Why does everything have to be so cloak and dagger?  It's baffling to me

June 06, 2017 13:26
patrick478
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james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

I've got no inside word on this. What I said was just based on the article itself, which seems to be a sharkty piece of "journalism". 
June 06, 2017 13:35
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Sent this to the club:

To Phoenix,

As a fan, how can I have any faith that new signings that are announced will just leave when they don't enjoy or agree with the situation here?

A home town kid leaves because things aren't the way he likes. This is not a good look. What is going on?

I don't think the handling of contracts has been well managed for sometime. I had some sympathy for Totori for how he left the club.

If you can communicate with the fans your take on what has occurred here and give some confidence to me and the rest that this is absolutely not what you want and state that you will ensure this pattern of leavings does not continue, that would be a start.

Passionate fan.

June 06, 2017 13:39
Napier Phoenix
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patrick478 wrote:
james dean wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

I've got no inside word on this. What I said was just based on the article itself, which seems to be a sharkty piece of "journalism". 

Only if its not the truth, otherwise quite insightful. By the Nix not giving the actual reason for the release, it allows all sorts of conjecture and it is only right that the media comment/speculate. Don't blame the messenger, this is entirely of the Nix' own making.
June 06, 2017 13:40
Bullion
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james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

The fact is that the Phoenix are VERY bad at informing their fans of anything and it is not doing a lot to keep core fans engaged (which is a separate discussion I know).  

Overseas the way this plays out is Kosta gets a release, the official line is we're not commenting and then the Phoenix brief the media "sources close to the Phoenix say Kosta wanted out after his partner failed to settle in Wellington but the as yet unannounced Phoenix manager, having run his eye over the player in training with the All Whites in Norther Ireland, was happy to grant him a release believing funds could be spent recruiting a striker to score the goals the team has been lacking in past seasons". 

Why does everything have to be so cloak and dagger?  It's baffling to me

Do you write for the Daily Mail, The Sun or some other tabloid?
June 06, 2017 13:54
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Napier Phoenix wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

I've got no inside word on this. What I said was just based on the article itself, which seems to be a sharkty piece of "journalism". 

Only if its not the truth, otherwise quite insightful. By the Nix not giving the actual reason for the release, it allows all sorts of conjecture and it is only right that the media comment/speculate. Don't blame the messenger, this is entirely of the Nix' own making.

Sure, the media are allowed to speculate - but people consuming that media are also allowed to say that they believe that speculation to be bullshark.
June 06, 2017 13:54
james dean
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Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

The fact is that the Phoenix are VERY bad at informing their fans of anything and it is not doing a lot to keep core fans engaged (which is a separate discussion I know).  

Overseas the way this plays out is Kosta gets a release, the official line is we're not commenting and then the Phoenix brief the media "sources close to the Phoenix say Kosta wanted out after his partner failed to settle in Wellington but the as yet unannounced Phoenix manager, having run his eye over the player in training with the All Whites in Norther Ireland, was happy to grant him a release believing funds could be spent recruiting a striker to score the goals the team has been lacking in past seasons". 

Why does everything have to be so cloak and dagger?  It's baffling to me

Do you write for the Daily Mail, The Sun or some other tabloid?

There's nothing tabloid about it if it's the truth - the club don't communicate directly with the fans so why not use the media?  I want to love the Phoenix but I find the club difficult to like with the way it's run currently, it's such a closed shop

June 06, 2017 15:08
Napier Phoenix
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patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

I've got no inside word on this. What I said was just based on the article itself, which seems to be a sharkty piece of "journalism". 

Only if its not the truth, otherwise quite insightful. By the Nix not giving the actual reason for the release, it allows all sorts of conjecture and it is only right that the media comment/speculate. Don't blame the messenger, this is entirely of the Nix' own making.

Sure, the media are allowed to speculate - but people consuming that media are also allowed to say that they believe that speculation to be bullshark.

Sure, people consuming that media are also allowed to say what they believe that speculation to be bullshark - but people consuming that response are allowed to say that the media were right to publish in the first place #everdiminishingcircles
June 06, 2017 16:26
LG
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Isn't Russell the media man at the club...as well as the Kit man.

June 06, 2017 17:36
threatD
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If he was on 750k then this is the best move the club has ever made in the transfer market.

June 06, 2017 17:41 · Edited June 06, 2017 17:41
The JourneyFan
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threatD wrote:

If he was on 750k then this is the best move the club has ever made in the transfer market.

750k was the figure mentioned when he signed but I never saw it made clear anywhere if that was 750k per year or 750k over 3 years (ie 250k a year)

June 06, 2017 17:45
threatD
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The JourneyFan wrote:

threatD wrote:

If he was on 750k then this is the best move the club has ever made in the transfer market.

750k was the figure mentioned when he signed but I never saw it made clear anywhere if that was 750k per year or 750k over 3 years (ie 250k a year)

News this morning quited it as per season (not a reliable source I know).
June 06, 2017 17:49
Ryan
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The JourneyFan wrote:

threatD wrote:

If he was on 750k then this is the best move the club has ever made in the transfer market.

750k was the figure mentioned when he signed but I never saw it made clear anywhere if that was 750k per year or 750k over 3 years (ie 250k a year)

hardly marquee wages.
June 06, 2017 17:52
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whatever wrote:

Kosta was very disappointing. He had the ability but failed to show it last season.

But we could not support his play the way Victory could. 
June 06, 2017 18:58
whatever
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I recall him constantly going on his own on  losing the ball. Also  many innacurate passes (basic mistakes) and a number of goalscoring opportunites squandered.

He needed to be benched early on by Ernie to reflect on his poor form. Even Hudson could see he was playing crap and dropped him. Then in the next Nix game after being dropped by Hudson Kosta finally put in a performance that we know he can.

June 06, 2017 20:24
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Lonegunmen wrote:

Isn't Russell the media man at the club...as well as the Kit man.

No, Rich Parkin is the media manager.
June 06, 2017 20:58
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
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patrick478 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Isn't Russell the media man at the club...as well as the Kit man.

No, Rich Parkin is the media manager.

I hope its not a job that is paid per media release!
June 06, 2017 21:11
LG
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He would nto be very rich from the job then. Just one retweet of Yakalls and thats it.

June 07, 2017 06:13
ConanTroutman
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Just realised that this has meant the AWs have a player from Unattached FC in them again. That's good, it's important to honour your traditions.

June 07, 2017 07:40
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Regardless of what happened and why, the fact is that he won't be missed on the pitch. It will free up a lot of blind alleys for other players.

June 07, 2017 08:24
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TheJam wrote:

Regardless of what happened and why, the fact is that he won't be missed on the pitch. It will free up a lot of blind alleys for other players.

See I don't agree with that, maybe value wise he didn't deliver but he was a pretty effective attacking player - I'd say he had a better season than Krishna who was extremely quiet in the second half of the season

June 07, 2017 08:30
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Kosta is going back to Melbourne Victory. Main reason is that the missus didn't settle in Wellington.

June 07, 2017 08:49
Jerzy Merino
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Quell surprise.

June 07, 2017 09:35
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james dean wrote:

TheJam wrote:

Regardless of what happened and why, the fact is that he won't be missed on the pitch. It will free up a lot of blind alleys for other players.

See I don't agree with that, maybe value wise he didn't deliver but he was a pretty effective attacking player - I'd say he had a better season than Krishna who was extremely quiet in the second half of the season

this hurts. The homecoming that wasn't.

June 07, 2017 10:26
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james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

The fact is that the Phoenix are VERY bad at informing their fans of anything and it is not doing a lot to keep core fans engaged (which is a separate discussion I know).  

Overseas the way this plays out is Kosta gets a release, the official line is we're not commenting and then the Phoenix brief the media "sources close to the Phoenix say Kosta wanted out after his partner failed to settle in Wellington but the as yet unannounced Phoenix manager, having run his eye over the player in training with the All Whites in Norther Ireland, was happy to grant him a release believing funds could be spent recruiting a striker to score the goals the team has been lacking in past seasons". 

Why does everything have to be so cloak and dagger?  It's baffling to me

Do you write for the Daily Mail, The Sun or some other tabloid?

There's nothing tabloid about it if it's the truth - the club don't communicate directly with the fans so why not use the media?  I want to love the Phoenix but I find the club difficult to like with the way it's run currently, it's such a closed shop

I think leaking private details/information without both parties consent to the press is very much tabloid material - true or not true. (you can't use in the public interest as a justification, because I doubt there is bar a few 'Nix fans)
June 07, 2017 10:38
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Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

From the stuff article:

"Kosta Barbarouses' partner struggled to adjust to life in Wellington, a major factor behind his decision to seek a release from the Phoenix in a significant blow for the club.

But it would be a surprise if that was the only reason, with Barbarouses understood to be unhappy with aspects of how the club was run in the city he was born and bred."

So rather than being some big crisis you have a homesick girlfriend and a desire to leave.  Which means cut through the spin and the club were happy for him to go.

If that report is true, the club needs to grow a pair and tell the likes of Kosta and anyone else that has an unhappy wife to toughen up and either stay for the duration of their contract or buy themselves out of it. That's not to say that some agreement has been made along the buy-out lines. The club/new coach might also believe that Kosta was not worth the coin they are paying him and this is a good way to extract themselves from that. So many variables but I can't help thinking that for a group of 'highly regarded businessmen' this and a number of other examples of poor business in relation to this club - tells me they are probably not as good as they think when they have to actually work at making a business suvccessful. 

There's no attributed author on that Stuff piece, no comments from either Kosta or the club, no sources listed. I highly doubt that it is factually correct.

Patrick, you have the inside word on these things so is this you saying "I don't think this article is accurate" or is this the Phoenix saying via you "this article is not accurate"?

The fact is that the Phoenix are VERY bad at informing their fans of anything and it is not doing a lot to keep core fans engaged (which is a separate discussion I know).  

Overseas the way this plays out is Kosta gets a release, the official line is we're not commenting and then the Phoenix brief the media "sources close to the Phoenix say Kosta wanted out after his partner failed to settle in Wellington but the as yet unannounced Phoenix manager, having run his eye over the player in training with the All Whites in Norther Ireland, was happy to grant him a release believing funds could be spent recruiting a striker to score the goals the team has been lacking in past seasons". 

Why does everything have to be so cloak and dagger?  It's baffling to me

Do you write for the Daily Mail, The Sun or some other tabloid?

There's nothing tabloid about it if it's the truth - the club don't communicate directly with the fans so why not use the media?  I want to love the Phoenix but I find the club difficult to like with the way it's run currently, it's such a closed shop

I think leaking private details/information without both parties consent to the press is very much tabloid material - true or not true. (you can't use in the public interest as a justification, because I doubt there is bar a few 'Nix fans)

How is any of that "private information"?  The reality is that if he really had to he could have stayed for a season in Wellington if the only issue was that his partner didn't settle (2 of our other foreign players have families overseas).  Reality is that we MUST have on one level been happy to let him go but our standard shutters down media strategy means the fans never get any insight at all into what the club's decision making was.  It's poor from a communication perspective and it's poor from a media management perspective.  No-one at the club regularly talks to the media (either on or off the record) and I am convinced it affects how we are portrayed

June 07, 2017 11:19
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Interesting comment from new coach.

June 07, 2017 12:09
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you don't need to change his mind. You just need to wave his signed contract at him. 

June 07, 2017 12:15
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Yakcall wrote:

Interesting comment from new coach.

End of fiction. Football Faxs Only Please
June 07, 2017 12:16
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Tegal wrote:

you don't need to change his mind. You just need to wave his signed contract at him. 

Or more likely at his Girlfriend...

June 07, 2017 12:17
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Yakcall wrote:

Tegal wrote:

you don't need to change his mind. You just need to wave his signed contract at him. 

Or more likely at his Girlfriend...

That's his problem to deal with, not the club's

June 07, 2017 12:38
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james dean wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Tegal wrote:

you don't need to change his mind. You just need to wave his signed contract at him. 

Or more likely at his Girlfriend...

That's his problem to deal with, not the club's

It was a joke...

June 07, 2017 12:47
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Yakcall wrote:

james dean wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Tegal wrote:

you don't need to change his mind. You just need to wave his signed contract at him. 

Or more likely at his Girlfriend...

That's his problem to deal with, not the club's

It was a joke...

It may have been a joke Matt (I laughed) but I think there is more than an ounce of truth in it too. Professional Footballer - have bags, will travel - it is the nature of the beast so to speak.

June 07, 2017 13:10
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Isn't his Partner a Wellingtonian?

June 07, 2017 13:18
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From Brisbane apparently.

June 07, 2017 13:21
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