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Ryan wrote:

From Brisbane apparently.

Ahh Ok, I had heard from somewhere she was a Welly Lass.

So assuming she met him In Brissy she has been to Russia and Greece with him but hates Wellington

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Tegal wrote:

you don't need to change his mind. You just need to wave his signed contract at him. 

touche
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sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

From Brisbane apparently.

Ahh Ok, I had heard from somewhere she was a Welly Lass.

So assuming she met him In Brissy she has been to Russia and Greece with him but hates Wellington

I don't know if that's the case, a lot of people from Brisbane move to Melbourne.

We seriously looked at moving to Russia a few years ago, it's an amazing place where you see a mishmash of the best and worst in the world. It's also a place where money talks and it's very glamorous if you're on football player wages, the excesses there are crazy.

Greece is also a great place, maybe not so much for the Greeks at the moment but once again if you're on football player money it can offer a lot more than Wellington for that high class/glamourous sort of lifestyle.

Kosta could have been earning a million bucks at the Phoenix but there are very few places in Wellington where that sort of money means anything special. This is if we're speculating that the reason for Kostas leaving is the same reason that we speculated caused Smeltz to leave the first time.

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Ryan wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

From Brisbane apparently.

Ahh Ok, I had heard from somewhere she was a Welly Lass.

So assuming she met him In Brissy she has been to Russia and Greece with him but hates Wellington

I don't know if that's the case, a lot of people from Brisbane move to Melbourne.

We seriously looked at moving to Russia a few years ago, it's an amazing place where you see a mishmash of the best and worst in the world. It's also a place where money talks and it's very glamorous if you're on football player wages, the excesses there are crazy.

Greece is also a great place, maybe not so much for the Greeks at the moment but once again if you're on football player money it can offer a lot more than Wellington for that high class/glamourous sort of lifestyle.

Kosta could have been earning a million bucks at the Phoenix but there are very few places in Wellington where that sort of money means anything special. This is if we're speculating that the reason for Kostas leaving is the same reason that we speculated caused Smeltz to leave the first time.

I was meaning more distance involved, and on the money he was on could have been in Melb on a weekly basis if she wanted too

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Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

That's the problem with a salary cap.
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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

Only when the player is immediately put on a transfer list and other clubs pay for him.

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So who carries the can for this complete disaster of a transfer?  Both schools of thought don't reflect well on whomever is running transfers - we vastly overbid and now we're glad to be rid of him or he was a good player and for some reason we've granted him a release even though he had a signed contract AND he's free to join one of our rivals.  Brilliant stuff all round

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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

You regularly accuse fans here that they don't back their city as a legitimate option for players to move to. Why cant we be world leading here and tell him to stay?
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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

David de Gea staying at United after they fudgeed up his transfer paperwork?
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patrick478 wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

David de Gea staying at United after they fudgeed up his transfer paperwork?

fudge, there is an echo in here
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Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

Luis Suarez. 

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why couldn't Kosta just find a nice Wellington lass

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

Only when the player is immediately put on a transfer list and other clubs pay for him.

Who is going to pay a transfer fee for Kosta? It can't be another A League club because there's no fees between them, so who is going to pay a transfer fee for an import winger who just had a mediocre season when there's heaps of equivalent players off contract in Europe? Even if we got a small fee from a European club he wouldn't be able to leave until July when the UEFA window opens, so we would pay an extra month of salary while we waited, which would probably be as much as or more than any fee we could get for him.
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Lonegunmen wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Obviously some here are much wiser in the ways of international football than I am, but if Welnix had said "we've got you under contract for another year and you're not going anywhere", surely they couldn't force him to actually play or put any effort into it? At worse they could have forced him not to play for anyone else for a year, but still have to pay his wages, which wouldn't have made anyone happier.

Can someone cite me a situation where a player wanted out of a contract early, club said no, and it turned out better for the club?

Only when the player is immediately put on a transfer list and other clubs pay for him.

Who is going to pay a transfer fee for Kosta? It can't be another A League club because there's no fees between them, so who is going to pay a transfer fee for an import winger who just had a mediocre season when there's heaps of equivalent players off contract in Europe? Even if we got a small fee from a European club he wouldn't be able to leave until July when the UEFA window opens, so we would pay an extra month of salary while we waited, which would probably be as much as or more than any fee we could get for him.

The Phoenix would have ?

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He could have become a Phoenix legend. A local player in his prime playing top football for a few seasons, maybe even winning something for us. Instead playing a whole season average football, and now leaving for personal reasons? It's a bit tragic.
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Lets hope Rogerson can get a bigger chance because of this, he deserves it.

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JamesBo wrote:

Lets hope Rogerson can get a bigger chance because of this, he deserves it.

Based on what?
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Jeff Vader wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

Lets hope Rogerson can get a bigger chance because of this, he deserves it.

Based on what?

SSP performances, ability shown in rare chances in the first team and impact at the U20 World Cup?
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Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

Lets hope Rogerson can get a bigger chance because of this, he deserves it.

Based on what?

SSP performances, ability shown in rare chances in the first team and impact at the U20 World Cup?

No

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Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

Lets hope Rogerson can get a bigger chance because of this, he deserves it.

Based on what?

SSP performances, ability shown in rare chances in the first team and impact at the U20 World Cup?

No

back at Victory.

Personal reasons outside of football my arse

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Last 5 posts are about Rogerson - move on.

Accept Costa is gone and will reappear in Oz as Kosta sometime.

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Blew.2 wrote:

Last 5 posts are about Rogerson - move on.

Accept Costa is gone and will reappear in Oz as Kosta sometime.

already moved on from Kosta.  This is about our club management who apparently beleive in the tooth fairy
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sthn.jeff wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Last 5 posts are about Rogerson - move on.

Accept Costa is gone and will reappear in Oz as Kosta sometime.

already moved on from Kosta.  This is about our club management who apparently beleive in the tooth fairy

So move it to there
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Blew.2 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

Last 5 posts are about Rogerson - move on.

Accept Costa is gone and will reappear in Oz as Kosta sometime.

already moved on from Kosta.  This is about our club management who apparently beleive in the tooth fairy

So move it to there

so not relevant in the Kosta thread that Kosta has moved to Melbourne
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This thread is in the wrong section.Kiwi Players Overseas?

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Sanday wrote:

This thread is in the wrong section.Kiwi Players Overseas?

Will be moved when confirmed he is with an overseas club. Jets, Victory and WSW have all been interested apparently.

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If he is confirmed so quickly to the Victory then hard questions need to be asked of Kosta.

It's been rumoured online since the 25th of May that Kosta was returning to the Victory. Kosta must have been in talks with other clubs since at least then which is clearly in violation of the A-League rules around talking to a contracted player. Dome also said that no other club is involved and he has no idea where Kosta will end up so someone isn't being entirely truethfull.

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Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

Lets hope Rogerson can get a bigger chance because of this, he deserves it.

Based on what?

SSP performances, ability shown in rare chances in the first team and impact at the U20 World Cup?

No

You're not a fan? He's impressed me at every turn. A lot of growth to come but you expect that from a young player. Has all the tools to be a very good player for us.

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Yakcall wrote:

Sanday wrote:

This thread is in the wrong section.Kiwi Players Overseas?

Will be moved when confirmed he is with an overseas club. Jets, Victory and WSW have all been interested apparently.

Ray Gatt has said Tards.  Not often wrong

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Ryan wrote:

If he is confirmed so quickly to the Victory then hard questions need to be asked of Kosta.

It's been rumoured online since the 25th of May that Kosta was returning to the Victory. Kosta must have been in talks with other clubs since at least then which is clearly in violation of the A-League rules around talking to a contracted player. Dome also said that no other club is involved and he has no idea where Kosta will end up so someone isn't being entirely truethfull.

Especially given he has been in Camp with the AW's for a fortnight
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It strikes me that this is pretty much the same way that we got WeeMac, he was contracted to CCM (although he hadn't played there for a season) but wanted to move here, CCM didn't want to release him but eventually had to.

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Ryan wrote:

It strikes me that this is pretty much the same way that we got WeeMac, he was contracted to CCM (although he hadn't played there for a season) but wanted to move here, CCM didn't want to release him but eventually had to.

Difference was that there was a dispute whether a valid contract actually existed.  They transferred the club to a new entity and from memory McGlinchey never signed anything to enact his transfer, so the entity McGlinchey was contracted to either no longer existed, or did not hold the A-league licence. 

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aitkenmike wrote:

Ryan wrote:

It strikes me that this is pretty much the same way that we got WeeMac, he was contracted to CCM (although he hadn't played there for a season) but wanted to move here, CCM didn't want to release him but eventually had to.

Difference was that there was a dispute whether a valid contract actually existed.  They transferred the club to a new entity and from memory McGlinchey never signed anything to enact his transfer, so the entity McGlinchey was contracted to either no longer existed, or did not hold the A-league licence. 

That was a massive technicality which we exploited.  

This "personal problems" is transparently rubbish, he's obviously not happy and wanted out

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james dean wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

Ryan wrote:

It strikes me that this is pretty much the same way that we got WeeMac, he was contracted to CCM (although he hadn't played there for a season) but wanted to move here, CCM didn't want to release him but eventually had to.

Difference was that there was a dispute whether a valid contract actually existed.  They transferred the club to a new entity and from memory McGlinchey never signed anything to enact his transfer, so the entity McGlinchey was contracted to either no longer existed, or did not hold the A-league licence. 

That was a massive technicality which we exploited.  

This "personal problems" is transparently rubbish, he's obviously not happy and wanted out

Is being unhappy and wanting out not "personal problems"?

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To be devil's advocate, they did say the reasons were not football related. So unless he was being bullied or picked on in the changing room (unlikely I would say!), those reasons seem to be related to football - at least until we hear otherwise.

Very disappointed personally - at least we should have got something in return for letting him go (good yoof on loan or something?) - but alas they let him go so that is that. I am moving on.

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To be devil's advocate, they did say the reasons were not football related. So unless he was being bullied or picked on in the changing room (unlikely I would say!), those reasons seem to be related to football - at least until we hear otherwise.

Very disappointed personally - at least we should have got something in return for letting him go (good yoof on loan or something?) - but alas they let him go so that is that. I am moving on.

I'd say there's probably a bit of truth to the rumours that he's pulling a Smeltzy and Wellington isn't good enough for the Mrs.

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