League Table 2016/17

So decided to map table positions for all clubs across all seasons (apart from current). Where clubs have 0 they either didn't exist or stopped existing. Also the league started with 8 teams, grew to 10 and then 11 before dropping back to 10 teams.

Here is an external link that will hopefully be bigger to view http://imgur.com/a/XU4z1

Busy day? or did you do it while stuck in traffic this morning?

Looks like a Vinnie Lia passing map or a Seddon earthquake fault map

Knights 6 points

I had forgotten things were that dire

So interesting in A-League history only twice has teams outside the top 2 made the final. Perth in 2011/12 and CCM in the 2005/06 seasons and both of them made the final from 3rd. No one has made it to the final from 4th-6th. Both Perth and CCM lost in the finals as well, CCM to Sydney who were 2nd at end of regular season and Perth to Roar who were 1st.

Won the final after finishing 1st during the regular season:

Adelaide 2015/16

Victory 2014/15

Brisbane 2013/14

Brisbane 2010/11

Sydney 2009/10

Victory 2008/09

Victory 2006/07

So kind of wanted to give an average position on the table divided by the number of seasons the team played and got the below

(Yes I'm aware its not the best due to different number of teams in the league some years but it gives an idea)

Depressing for NZ football fans as I actually think the Knights would have been bottom too if not for fact there was only 8 teams in their 2 seasons while Fury had 11 teams in theirs

You could do it as a ratio which would help address the different number of teams - final position divided by number of teams.

Either way, no doubt we'll still be near the bottom.

Are you able to do this in 2 sections for the Nix, The Terry Years, and the Welnix years

I'll do that and the difference in years under different Nix managers later tonight when baby is in bed

I have just done the figures on different owners,  including this year as we will finish 7th.  Average finish under Terrys Ownership 6.5. Average finish over 4 years. Under Welnix (since 2011/2012) 7.2.

Different times and the league has moved on and all that, and I know it is simplistic but in relative terms, and at the end of the day it is only results that matter, we have gone backwards under Welnix ownership. 

This is more a case of the league (and other teams - apart from the Jets) have moved ahead at a greater rate than we have.

Points per game over the history of the HAL (hoping ultimate a league is up to date):

You finish last and fourth last across 2 seasons in an 8 team league and your average position is 6.5, do the same in a 10 team league and your average position is 8.5. In both instances you miss out of the finals by 1 spot finishing fourth last.

And a lot of those 19 points were after Ricki took over for the end of the season IIRC

All that shyte just to get down to we are/have been shark.

Or it is just someone like me likes stats and data and working with it, but yes it does show that NZ teams haven't been performing.

Melbourne Victory 1 Central Coast Mariners 0

		P	W	D	L	GD	Pts
	Sydney FC	26	19	6	1	41	63
	Melbourne Victory	27	15	4	8	18	49
	Melbourne City	26	11	6	9	6	39
	Brisbane Roar	26	10	9	7	5	39
	Perth Glory	26	9	9	8	-1	36
	Western Sydney	26	8	11	7	0	35
	Wellington Phoenix	26	8	6	12	-4	30
	Central Coast	27	6	5	16	-21	23
	Adelaide United	26	5	7	14	-21	22
	Newcastle Jets	26	5	7	14	-23	22

Sydney FC 2 Newcastle Jets 0

		P	W	D	L	GD	Pts
	Sydney FC	27	20	6	1	43	66
	Melbourne Victory	27	15	4	8	18	49
	Melbourne City	26	11	6	9	6	39
	Brisbane Roar	26	10	9	7	5	39
	Perth Glory	26	9	9	8	-1	36
	Western Sydney	26	8	11	7	0	35
	Wellington Phoenix	26	8	6	12	-4	30
	Central Coast	27	6	5	16	-21	23
	Adelaide United	26	5	7	14	-21	22
	Newcastle Jets	27	5	7	15	-25	22

Adelaide United 2 Western Sydney Wanderers 2

		P	W	D	L	GD	Pts
	Sydney FC	27	20	6	1	43	66
	Melbourne Victory	27	15	4	8	18	49
	Melbourne City	26	11	6	9	6	39
	Brisbane Roar	26	10	9	7	5	39
	Western Sydney	27	8	12	7	0	36
	Perth Glory	26	9	9	8	-1	36
	Wellington Phoenix	26	8	6	12	-4	30
	Central Coast	27	6	5	16	-21	23
	Adelaide United	27	5	8	14	-21	23
	Newcastle Jets	27	5	7	15	-25	22

So the jets take over the Knights unenviable record of longest time without a goal?

Brisbane Roar 4 Wellington Phoenix 3

		P	W	D	L	GD	Pts
	Sydney FC	27	20	6	1	43	66
	Melbourne Victory	27	15	4	8	18	49
	Brisbane Roar	27	11	9	7	6	42
	Melbourne City	26	11	6	9	6	39
	Western Sydney	27	8	12	7	0	36
	Perth Glory	26	9	9	8	-1	36
	Wellington Phoenix	27	8	6	13	-5	30
	Central Coast	27	6	5	16	-21	23
	Adelaide United	27	5	8	14	-21	23
	Newcastle Jets	27	5	7	15	-25	22

Perth Glory 5 Melbourne City 4

		P	W	D	L	GD	Pts
	Sydney FC	27	20	6	1	43	66
	Melbourne Victory	27	15	4	8	18	49
	Brisbane Roar	27	11	9	7	6	42
	Melbourne City	27	11	6	10	5	39
	Perth Glory	27	10	9	8	0	39
	Western Sydney	27	8	12	7	0	36
	Wellington Phoenix	27	8	6	13	-5	30
	Central Coast	27	6	5	16	-21	23
	Adelaide United	27	5	8	14	-21	23
	Newcastle Jets	27	5	7	15	-25	22

Thank you Feverbot for your prompt table updates after each match.  See you in October.  Will you be able to update your table with goals for and against for next season?

I'm amazed we scored 41 goals.  That seemed an unlikely total after our first few games.  

That'll do FeverBot. That'll do.

interesting that our goal difference was closer to Brisbane in 3rd than CCM in 8th

What a bizarre season Perth has had!

Here's the tables with goals for and against:

Goals Against

Sydney, Melbourne V, WSW, Brisbane, Melbourne C, Phoenix/Adelaide, CCM, Jets

Goals For

Sydney, Perth, Melbourne V/Melbourne C., Brisbane Roar, Phoenix, WSW, CCM, Jets, Adelaide

We were 6th equal with the level of goals conceded and 6th on goals scored. 7th does seem like a fair reflection of our season. We were obviously well clear of the bottom three, but couldn't match 5th and 6th in pressure games and with the steel nerves.

I wish I'd seen more Sydney games. They didn't seem that far ahead of us and didn't have any players like Fornaroli or Berisha that the commentators fapped over endlessly, but they seemed to play as a team, defend as a unit and strongly, How did they score all their goals? Everyone got some?

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Sydn...

Just 4 main scorers- two good strikers and two scorers from the midfield. 

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just on our defence, it was actually looking quite good up until Round 16. We had conceded 21 goals from 16 game (1.3 goals per game). If that rate continued our defence would have been about the same as BRisbane and Victory. 

However after then, we couldn't put the same back four on the pitch. We had 11 difference starting combos in the last 11 games and we balooned out to 1.7 goals a game. That's about 10 extra goals.

which would have seen us leap up to 4th defensively, ahead of Brisbane, assuming everything else stayed as it was.

I was also looking at Sydney's scoring and basically we needed one other decent striker. They had Brosque and Bobo. We had Krishna and no one. 

Smeltz didn't live up to his previous scoring rates with us. Watson lost his nose for goal a little. Kosta isn't a traditional striker, he's more of a wide player (and yes I know about his days at the Roar). Finkler, Mikey and Roly aren't in the team to be strikers and all were off form in front of goal or injured. 

In terms of goal scoring- Sydney had two strikers and two mids. We had one striker and three mids. Our midfields scored equal numbers (though again a tale of two seasons). 

Sydney:

Bobo: 15  Brosque: 11                                                 Ninkovic: 9 Holosko: 7

Phoenix:

Krishna: 12 (Smeltz: 3 Watson: 2)                                     Finkler: 6 Kosta: 5  Roly : 4 

They played a lot better against other sides. We managed to strangle them a bit which is actually not a bad effort. But yeah they played as a team very well.