Would like to find out what everyone thinks...
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Not against this poll but ultimately whoever knows the answer stands to become a very rich man.
As long as RH can stop his "grind out a draw" tactics and aimless subs
As long as RH can stop his "grind out a draw" tactics and aimless subs
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Other.
Im convinced its the climate. If theyve said that theyve tried everything, then in my eyes this is all it can be.
I also think the reason the Warriors and Breakers have been doing alright is
1. Warriors play during the milder months, avoiding many of the hotter summer months.
2. Breakers play indoors, where the climate can be controlled.
(neither are subjected to, or are required to adapt to windy rainy wellington either
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Look at all the other teams that come here, they only win as often at ROF as we do away. It goes BOTH ways, its not just the Nix. Its any team who crosses the ditch.
I think the only way we're ever going to get through this away slump is by assembling the very best team in the League, much like CCM and Roar when they won here, convincingly, last season. When youre that good, you'll win wherever you play.
Im convinced its the climate. If theyve said that theyve tried everything, then in my eyes this is all it can be.
I also think the reason the Warriors and Breakers have been doing alright is
1. Warriors play during the milder months, avoiding many of the hotter summer months.
2. Breakers play indoors, where the climate can be controlled.
(neither are subjected to, or are required to adapt to windy rainy wellington either
)Look at all the other teams that come here, they only win as often at ROF as we do away. It goes BOTH ways, its not just the Nix. Its any team who crosses the ditch.
I think the only way we're ever going to get through this away slump is by assembling the very best team in the League, much like CCM and Roar when they won here, convincingly, last season. When youre that good, you'll win wherever you play.
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Other.Im convinced its the climate. If theyve said that theyve tried everything, then in my eyes this is all it can be.I also think the reason the Warriors and Breakers have been doing alright is1. Warriors play during the milder months, avoiding many of the hotter summer months.2. Breakers play indoors, where the climate can be controlled.(neither are subjected to, or are required to adapt to windy rainy wellington either )Look at all the other teams that come here, they only win as often at ROF as we do away. It goes BOTH ways, its not just the Nix. Its any team who crosses the ditch.I
think the only way we're ever going to get through this away slump is
by assembling the very best team in the League, much like CCM and Roar
when they won here, convincingly, last season. When youre that good,
you'll win wherever you play.
)Look at all the other teams that come here, they only win as often at ROF as we do away. It goes BOTH ways, its not just the Nix. Its any team who crosses the ditch.I
think the only way we're ever going to get through this away slump is
by assembling the very best team in the League, much like CCM and Roar
when they won here, convincingly, last season. When youre that good,
you'll win wherever you play.
im thinking its the same
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Mentality,both tactics and as a flow on - players attitude/mentality
Allegedly
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It's a combination of things, which makes it that more difficult to fix.
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In my opinion first and foremost the coach shoulders the responsibilty for how the team plays aka. Ricki. Our tactics and subsitutions are dubious at best and at times it seems that skillful football takes place to not losing at any cost. I belive that the style of football we employ particularly away from home is not likely to attract players of the more skilful variety. The nix really need to look to appointing some decent backroom staff, in particular an assistant coach as someone he can bounce ideas off and who can make him se the error of his ways
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
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Buck stops with Herbert.
After 4 1/2 years climate / travel is a lame excuse - Herbert's defensive mindset flows through to his formations and selections and, inevitably, the players' approach to the game.
Leave him at home for the next few away games - we can't do any worse.
P.S. There are very successful professional sports teams in the US, who play outdoors, who have to deal with the same travel / timezone issues, and greater weather differentials and altitude challenges than the Nix. The more you tell the team that their sh*t performance on the road is due to factors beyond their control the more they will believe it and it becomes (has become) a self fulfilling prophesy.
Whitby boy2011-12-31 16:56:09He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Buck stops with Herbert.
Agree with this 100%After 4 1/2 years climate / travel is a lame excuse - Herbert's defensive mindset flows through to his formations and selections and, inevitably, the players' approach to the game.
Leave him at home for the next few away games - we can't do any worse.
P.S. There are very successful professional sports teams in the US, who play outdoors, who have to deal with the same travel / timezone issues, and greater weather differentials and altitude challenges than the Nix. The more you tell the team that their sh*t performance on the road is due to factors beyond their control the more they will believe it and it becomes (has become) a self fulfilling prophesy.
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I think Herby believes he knows best and does not listen to advice.
That story about the players (mainly Nelsen) running the team in South Africa has the ring of truth about it.
The substitutions last night were just awful. The team needs to score and he drags off strikers.
That story about the players (mainly Nelsen) running the team in South Africa has the ring of truth about it.
The substitutions last night were just awful. The team needs to score and he drags off strikers.
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I think Herby believes he knows best and does not listen to advice.That story about the players (mainly Nelsen) running the team in South Africa has the ring of truth about it.The substitutions last night were just awful. The team needs to score and he drags off strikers.
Right.
So Herbert is his own man, runs things his way and won't take advice so its all his fault. At the same time, he is hands off, lets the players run things and everything positive has nothing to do with him.
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Buck stops with Herbert.
After 4 1/2 years climate / travel is a lame excuse - Herbert's defensive mindset flows through to his formations and selections and, inevitably, the players' approach to the game.
Leave him at home for the next few away games - we can't do any worse.
P.S. There are very successful professional sports teams in the US, who play outdoors, who have to deal with the same travel / timezone issues, and greater weather differentials and altitude challenges than the Nix. The more you tell the team that their sh*t performance on the road is due to factors beyond their control the more they will believe it and it becomes (has become) a self fulfilling prophesy.
Why? This is exactly the problem, people like you just not wanting to consider anything else apart from 'sack ricki' or whatever else.
Name me some of these teams then, the sport, their home and away stats from the last 2 years, and the weather average temp / humidity at home vs the extremes that they face away.
But i dont care anyway, top flight US sport generally operates on a no stone unturned mentality where billions are invested in every possible avenue from private investors to huge corporate giants. More money is spent on players, development, travel, facilities, sports science, these very successful teams also have back room staff numbering hundreds. Its almost idiotic comparing whats probably one of the worlds most struggling professional competitions with some of the worlds most lucrative, with a country who would spend more collectively on sport than anyone else.
Also care to explain why teams struggle coming here?
AJ132011-12-31 18:09:23
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Buck stops with Herbert.
After 4 1/2 years climate / travel is a lame excuse - Herbert's defensive mindset flows through to his formations and selections and, inevitably, the players' approach to the game.
Leave him at home for the next few away games - we can't do any worse.
P.S. There are very successful professional sports teams in the US, who play outdoors, who have to deal with the same travel / timezone issues, and greater weather differentials and altitude challenges than the Nix. The more you tell the team that their sh*t performance on the road is due to factors beyond their control the more they will believe it and it becomes (has become) a self fulfilling prophesy.
Why? This is exactly the problem, people like you just not wanting to consider anything else apart from 'sack ricki' or whatever else.
Name me some of these teams then, the sport, their home and away stats from the last 2 years, and the weather average temp / humidity at home vs the extremes that they face away.
But i dont care anyway, top flight US sport generally operates on a no stone unturned mentality where billions are invested in every possible avenue from private investors to huge corporate giants. More money is spent on players, development, travel, facilities, sports science, these very successful teams also have back room staff numbering hundreds. Its almost idiotic comparing whats probably one of the worlds most struggling professional competitions with some of the worlds most lucrative, with a country who would spend more collectively on sport than anyone else.
Also care to explain why teams struggle coming here?
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Buck stops with Herbert.
After 4 1/2 years climate / travel is a lame excuse - Herbert's defensive mindset flows through to his formations and selections and, inevitably, the players' approach to the game.
Leave him at home for the next few away games - we can't do any worse.
P.S. There are very successful professional sports teams in the US, who play outdoors, who have to deal with the same travel / timezone issues, and greater weather differentials and altitude challenges than the Nix. The more you tell the team that their sh*t performance on the road is due to factors beyond their control the more they will believe it and it becomes (has become) a self fulfilling prophesy.
Why? This is exactly the problem, people like you just not wanting to consider anything else apart from 'sack ricki' or whatever else.
Name me some of these teams then, the sport, their home and away stats from the last 2 years, and the weather average temp / humidity at home vs the extremes that they face away.
But i don't care anyway, top flight US sport generally operates on a no stone unturned mentality where billions are invested in every possible avenue from private investors to huge corporate giants. More money is spent on players, development, travel, facilities, sports science, these very successful teams also have back room staff numbering hundreds. Its almost idiotic comparing whats probably one of the worlds most struggling professional competitions with some of the worlds most lucrative, with a country who would spend more collectively on sport than anyone else.
Also care to explain why teams struggle coming here?
Want an example closer to home - think Canterbury Crusaders.
When was the last time you heard anyone from the Crusaders make an excuse about travel, temperature differentrials, altitude etc ? Think what they went through last season and they still made the final.
Using your logic we may as well pull out of the A-League because distances, temperature differentials and time differences are not going to change. I don't buy that view for a second - we got exactly what we deserved last night - we played a defensive formation with out of form players against the bottom team in the league - that's down to Herbert and no one else.
You should also consider the US examples as they are often salary capped leagues and yet teams can still build track records of success.
And, unfortunately, the better teams no longer struggle when they come to Wellington.
I do not advocate sacking Herbert but making lame excuses about our sh*t performance on the road disguises the real problems - his formations, his selections and, above all, his mindset.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Our goal is to win the A-League is it not? We can't do that by building an damn impressive home record gathering results (had a streak going which even the record-breaking Roar couldn't eclipse) but by building almost an equivalently poor away record.
We don't ask for the team to win every game on the road, but the fact is we have showed little to no improvement since we started.
We don't ask for the team to win every game on the road, but the fact is we have showed little to no improvement since we started.
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Our goal is to win the A-League is it not? We can't do that by building an damn impressive home record gathering results (had a streak going which even the record-breaking Roar couldn't eclipse) but by building almost an equivalently poor away record.We don't ask for the team to win every game on the road, but the fact is we have showed little to no improvement since we started.
Was our (realistic) goal at the beginning of this season really to win the title? Not getting the spoon seemed to be the goal of a lot. Making the playoffs was mine.
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Our goal is to win the A-League is it not? We can't do that by building an damn impressive home record gathering results (had a streak going which even the record-breaking Roar couldn't eclipse) but by building almost an equivalently poor away record.We don't ask for the team to win every game on the road, but the fact is we have showed little to no improvement since we started.
Was our (realistic) goal at the beginning of this season really to win the title? Not getting the spoon seemed to be the goal of a lot. Making the playoffs was mine.
Before the season kicked off your goal was a realistic and reasonable one, but at this point in the season the team has demonstrated clearly to me (as a newbie observer mind you) that it has the potential to be at least in the top half of the competition ladder, and last night was a massive disappointment. All we ask is that the team (is allowed to?) play to its potential.
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Our goal is to win the A-League is it not? We can't do that by building an damn impressive home record gathering results (had a streak going which even the record-breaking Roar couldn't eclipse) but by building almost an equivalently poor away record.We don't ask for the team to win every game on the road, but the fact is we have showed little to no improvement since we started.
Was our (realistic) goal at the beginning of this season really to win the title? Not getting the spoon seemed to be the goal of a lot. Making the playoffs was mine.
Not this year. Playoffs is always a realistic target for us, given the past couple of years, and our home record. But if we are become an A-League force ever, it goes without saying that we'll need to become a better road team.
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Our goal is to win the A-League is it not? We can't do that by building an damn impressive home record gathering results (had a streak going which even the record-breaking Roar couldn't eclipse) but by building almost an equivalently poor away record.We don't ask for the team to win every game on the road, but the fact is we have showed little to no improvement since we started.
Was our (realistic) goal at the beginning of this season really to win the title? Not getting the spoon seemed to be the goal of a lot. Making the playoffs was mine.
amazing how views can change quickly.
re the crusaders they are miles ahead of most teams in rugby, and we were everyones wooden spoon tip, yes it is crap we play sh*t on the road, but we are not hte best team in the league. the fact that we win most of or games at home and lose most away must mean that travel is something. the other teams struggle at our home and cann look great the week before but average at the ROF
i think someone said it well before, we over perform at home and under perform away
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i think it is part to how we play and how we cross, after reading a comment in the match thread for CCM and GCU it made me think. the comment was that a good team just doesnt keep firing in crosses if they are not on ( or something like that)
i looked back at last week and realized i thought we played more central than we did this week. so i looked at stats from our last 5 games. 3 at home 2 away
at home we average 19 crosses a game during this period for 3 wins at 8 goals scored 2 conceded
away we average 37 crosses a game for 1 goal scored and 5 conceded
only a 5 game sample but shows a lot of difference of nearly 20 goals a game...
i looked back at last week and realized i thought we played more central than we did this week. so i looked at stats from our last 5 games. 3 at home 2 away
at home we average 19 crosses a game during this period for 3 wins at 8 goals scored 2 conceded
away we average 37 crosses a game for 1 goal scored and 5 conceded
only a 5 game sample but shows a lot of difference of nearly 20 goals a game...
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Any team can cross the ball aimlessly.... so the number of crosses means diddly squat.It's the most ridiculous statistic and somehow or other has become something to gaugue how a team is playing.
We put in a lot of crosses, but often they are poor, so although we look good statistically unfortunetely it's flatering to deceive.
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Any team can cross the ball aimlessly.... so the number of crosses means diddly squat.It's the most ridiculous statistic and somehow or other has become something to gaugue how a team is playing.
We put in a lot of crosses, but often they are�poor, so although we look good statistically unfortunetely it's flatering to deceive.
Are you Glen Moss in disguise..?
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Any team can cross the ball aimlessly.... so the number of crosses means diddly squat.It's the most ridiculous statistic and somehow or other has become something to gaugue how a team is playing.
We put in a lot of crosses, but often they are poor, so although we look good statistically unfortunetely it's flatering to deceive.
Are you Glen Moss in disguise..?
No, it's Dracula....... I hate useless crosses.
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It's a combination of things, which makes it that more difficult to fix.
this
climate has certainly contributed on occasion
plenty of games luck has come to play, vs heart recently could easily have been won but was lost
ricki's tactics definitely have not helped at times, but other times he's got it right and come away empty handed
negative mentality must be in play for the lads now, they are experienced, but you dont lose so many away games and be unaffected
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Any team can cross the ball aimlessly.... so the number of crosses means diddly squat.It's the most ridiculous statistic and somehow or other has become something to gaugue how a team is playing.
We put in a lot of crosses, but often they are�poor, so although we look good statistically unfortunetely it's flatering to deceive.
if you actually read what im saying im saying that we cross aimlessly hense why we are not scoring and lose these games, at home we tend to play narrower according to the stats and in turn get more goals and wins.
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Would like to find out what everyone thinks...
How would it go if Ozzy teames had to start their games at 9.30 pm every second week at home.
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Would like to find out what everyone thinks...
How would it go if Ozzy teames had to start their games at 9.30 pm every second week at home.
They should be over jet lag and time zones each trip by now.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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Would like to find out what everyone thinks...
How would it go if Ozzy teams had to start their games at 9.30 pm every second week at home.
Firstly we don't if that's what you're implying (check times we actually kicked off - there were a fair number of afternoon (Oz time) games) and secondly Warriors, Breakers, Crusaders etc seem to manage just fine.
Yes time difference, travel and temperatures differentials are factors to be accommodated in pre-match planning, but that's all they are, and we have had over 4 years to work out how to deal with them.
They are not insurmountable obstacles to a successful away record in the A-League, if they were we will never be able to win the A-League which is nonsense. However they will become just that if they are trotted out as an excuse every time we perform poorly in away games.
Setting aside the coach related issues already raised the biggest impediment to away success is team confidence and player self belief and personally I can't see how they can be addressed if we are not honest about the root causes of the problem.
I'm going to the GCU game Sunday week and would love to see us turn up and go for a win and play with the same attacking intent we play with at home.
Based on our away record to date what have we got to lose ?
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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I'm going to the GCU game Sunday week and would love to see us�turn up and go for�a win�and play with the same attacking intent we play with at home.
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Based on our away record to date what have we�got to lose ?
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These were exactly my thoughts last Friday...
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Have been to GCU game having been on the gold coast for 5 days prior- sleeping and waking in Oz time. 7.30 oz time kick off no day light savingin Q/Land so a NZ kick off time of 10.30 and they played like i felt - ready for bedOz team coming here who loose more often than not do not have this.
Just checked warriors kick off times for 2011 latest was 7.30 pm NZ time for regular season. Fianils which they struggled in was 8.45 pm
Hogster2012-01-01 22:44:42
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Hmm.. so hopefully by next season with the introduction of new coaching staff and particularly a sports scientist this issue can be addressed.They will need to come up with a strategy to deal with the time issue.
Maybe the teams training and schedules need to switch to the Aussie time two or three days PRIOR to leaving.
Maybe the teams training and schedules need to switch to the Aussie time two or three days PRIOR to leaving.
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What's this new coaching staff talk?
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They have begun the search for assistant and goalkeeping coaches for
next season and will increase investment in sports science and sport
medicine.
In the NZ Herald article in the new owners thread.
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Thanks for that. So LT is off contract? I thought this was his first season as Asst?
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Thanks for that. So LT is off contract? I thought this was his first season as Asst?
He's not an Assistant Coach, he's the fitness trainer. We don't have an asst so LT gets to sit on that seat at the games.
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Oh thanks for that. So we have no asst? Is that unusual? Is our former asst now the Reds asst?
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Oh thanks for that. So we have no asst? Is that unusual? Is our former asst now the Reds asst?
Correct
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My point stands.
He won't listen and so the players in South Africa took it out of his hands.
I did not say he was hands-off but that he had his hands forcibly removed..........
He won't listen and so the players in South Africa took it out of his hands.
I did not say he was hands-off but that he had his hands forcibly removed..........
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