lol no,thought that was evident by the excessive laughing at you.
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Ok ill answer the questions:
1) Does our defence play better under Paston? Yes
2) Why? Better organized defence under Paston.
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston? See above answer
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide? Ultra, super-duper world class.
This is how you would answer them:
1) Does our defence play better under Paston? No
2) Why? Just 'cause
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston? Because all of Moss's were not his fault.
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide? What saves?
1) Does our defence play better under Paston? Yes
2) Why? Better organized defence under Paston.
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston? See above answer
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide? Ultra, super-duper world class.
This is how you would answer them:
1) Does our defence play better under Paston? No
2) Why? Just 'cause
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston? Because all of Moss's were not his fault.
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide? What saves?
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I'll give you points for persistence if nothing else.
I know what you're trying to say but, as has been pointed out elsewhere, your logic is severely flawed. It's not as simple as saying one has conceeded less than another so he's the best. That's the kind of thing my 3 year old daughter would say.
Why not stretch it out to any player in the team and say when X has been playing they've conceeded less goals than when Y has played, therefore X is a better player than Y. Doesn't work, not that simple.
There are a number of factors which you have cunningly neglected to take into consideration, some of which have already been pointed out and I think your insistence that a goalkeeper is somehow responsible for everything which happens in front of him is bizarre to say the least. Personally, I think they are both good keepers and both have their strengths and weaknesses and that will be my last contribution to this. Amusing though it has been.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Ok then...
1) Does our defence play better under Paston?
- No, depends what kind of players are in front of him, the form of the players, and several other things
2) Why? / Why not?
2) Why? / Why not?
- Because thats what happens in football. Anyone who has played knows that.
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston?
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston?
- Refer to the previous 47 threads discussing the issue
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide?
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide?
- They were good. But didn't we just decide Moss was the better shot stopper??
This is almost getting fun now.
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1) Does our defence play better under Paston? there is absolutely no evidence to decide this either way. surely some of the onus of how the defense play must rest with the defenders themselves
2) Why? n/a
3) Why have we conceded less goals under Paston? there are numerous reasons as to why we have conceded less goals under paston none of which are relevant because that fact alone does not decide keeper ability
4) If Moss's saves last night were world-class then what were Pastons vs Adelaide? Also top quality saves by a top quality keeper - of which is not in doubt
5)you're a dousche
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Ok obviously I left out several factors such as who they were playing but I believe it is more then a coincidence that Moss has conceded more then Paston but next season when Moss is playing for Melbourne (if he can start) then we will see who is better even though Melbourne probably have a better defence then us. But this will also be my last post about this in this thread.
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5)you're a dousche
If that is the limit of your debating ability you can have a few weeks off...
...and I think you will find there is no 's' in it.
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5)you're a dousche
If that is the limit of your debating ability you can have a few weeks off...
...and I think you will find there is no 's' in it.
Bit harder right now? something to do with BBBBW back?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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I was rather pleased with my debating ability....if not my spelling
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Defender stats (a quiet day at work)
Durante played 14 we conceded 25 - ave 1.79 goals
McKain played 4 we conceded 8 - ave 2.00 goals
Dodd played 10 we conceded 9 - ave 0.90 goals
Sigmund played 15 we conceded 12 - ave 0.80 goals
Moss has played 2 games with Dodd in the back4 and 3.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Paston played 7 games with Dodd in the back4 and 8.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Conclusion Moss cannot communicate with Australian centre backs!
Durante played 14 we conceded 25 - ave 1.79 goals
McKain played 4 we conceded 8 - ave 2.00 goals
Dodd played 10 we conceded 9 - ave 0.90 goals
Sigmund played 15 we conceded 12 - ave 0.80 goals
Moss has played 2 games with Dodd in the back4 and 3.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Paston played 7 games with Dodd in the back4 and 8.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Conclusion Moss cannot communicate with Australian centre backs!
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Defender stats (a quiet day at work)
Durante played 14 we conceded 25 - ave 1.79 goals
McKain played 4 we conceded 8 - ave 2.00 goals
Dodd played 10 we conceded 9 - ave 0.90 goals
Sigmund played 15 we conceded 12 - ave 0.80 goals
Moss has played 2 games with Dodd in the back4 and 3.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Paston played 7 games with Dodd in the back4 and 8.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Conclusion Moss cannot communicate with Australian centre backs!
Can you expand this further this might be the killer blow to their argument.Durante played 14 we conceded 25 - ave 1.79 goals
McKain played 4 we conceded 8 - ave 2.00 goals
Dodd played 10 we conceded 9 - ave 0.90 goals
Sigmund played 15 we conceded 12 - ave 0.80 goals
Moss has played 2 games with Dodd in the back4 and 3.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Paston played 7 games with Dodd in the back4 and 8.5 with Sigmund in the back4.
Conclusion Moss cannot communicate with Australian centre backs!
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Moss easy. I think it's safe to say we have a winner
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Moss. And guys, drop this Moss v Paston thing. WPF has been at this for a while now, and I suspect will continue for as long as Paston's at the club.
Been there, done that, let's stop wasting everyone's time.
Been there, done that, let's stop wasting everyone's time.
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this has gone so far off topic it is man of the match against newcastle not who is the better goalkeeper.
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I personaly rate moss the better keeper but what i guess it comes down to is personal choice by the looks of this thread.. the biggest question is why hes leaving to go to a club with a goalie who is cemented into there 1st team!! and how were going to struggle next year if paston picks up an injury. who will be the number 2? spoonley?
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who will be the number 2? spoonley?
IMRAY!!!!!
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I'm very sorry but I can't decide, therefore didn't cast a single vote.
I'd give it to:
Moss: kept us in the game, had the perfect game, not even Pele would have scored yesterday.
Siggy: Simply Siggy
Brown: He was immense. He had to keep the midfield together without making us think of Mc Kain and so he did.
HEARFIELD: After much earned criticism, the youngsters deserves credit. One assist and one penalty won. Ain't that enough?????
Bertos and Smeltz: One goal of the Greek, and two for the German-born marksman.
I just can't decide! I really hope that this will occur again over the next 3 games.
I'd give it to:
Moss: kept us in the game, had the perfect game, not even Pele would have scored yesterday.
Siggy: Simply Siggy
Brown: He was immense. He had to keep the midfield together without making us think of Mc Kain and so he did.
HEARFIELD: After much earned criticism, the youngsters deserves credit. One assist and one penalty won. Ain't that enough?????
Bertos and Smeltz: One goal of the Greek, and two for the German-born marksman.
I just can't decide! I really hope that this will occur again over the next 3 games.
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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which goalie has kept the most clean sheets ? (more a curious question) sorry just checked moss wins 3 -2
I picked Muscat for mom
giddyup2009-01-05 19:02:26
I picked Muscat for mom
giddyup2009-01-05 19:02:26
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which goalie has kept the most clean sheets ? (more a curious question) I picked Muscat for mom
Lets stop this discussion in this thread.
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I want to know why Stack didn't give his vote to Ferrante. Wasn't he the most important player on the pitch??
To simplify the Moss/Paston argument, if Paston was the better keeper, why didn't they swap him in last year when there were muppets like Old & O'Dor playing in the back 4 playing like a broken garden gate and badly in need of organising? Funny how Paston didn't get a look in...
Are you nightz, are you nightz, are you nightz in disguise??
To simplify the Moss/Paston argument, if Paston was the better keeper, why didn't they swap him in last year when there were muppets like Old & O'Dor playing in the back 4 playing like a broken garden gate and badly in need of organising? Funny how Paston didn't get a look in...
Are you nightz, are you nightz, are you nightz in disguise??
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which goalie has kept the most clean sheets ? (more a curious question) I picked Muscat for mom
Lets stop this discussion in this thread.
What? Stop the MOM discussion in the MOM thread? I thought that happened several pages ago when it was hijacked
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Did anyone notice how Moss threw his gloves into the crowd at the games end. Does this mean he knows that that was his last home game in a Phoenix shirt? Why would you do that with 3 games to go unless you have been told that you won't be needed again.
Mind you he could have biffed them coz they had El**ch shiite on them!!!!!
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Seriously doubt he's getting sent to the pine after another stellar performance.
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Yeah, that would make no sense.
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Swear ive seen him do it a couple of times?
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Maybe the gloves were worn out after all the saves he'd made in the 1st half?Jag2009-01-05 21:57:12
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Did anyone notice how Moss threw his gloves into the crowd at the games end. Does this mean he knows that that was his last home game in a Phoenix shirt? Why would you do that with 3 games to go unless you have been told that you won't be needed again.
Mind you he could have biffed them coz they had El**ch shiite on them!!!!!
I would say that he gets new gloves every few games.
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Ok heres another look at Moss vs Paston:
In 8.5 games Paston has conceded less goals and made 18 saves
In 9.5 games Moss has conceded more goals and made 33 saves.
Now just look at those stats and ask yourself, why is Moss making so many more saves then Paston but at the same time is conceding more goals?
In 8.5 games Paston has conceded less goals and made 18 saves
In 9.5 games Moss has conceded more goals and made 33 saves.
Now just look at those stats and ask yourself, why is Moss making so many more saves then Paston but at the same time is conceding more goals?
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I picked Muscat for mom
Thought El**ch was all over him.
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Yeah, El**ch was attacking him, but I thought Muscat had a really solid game too.
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Mossy had a great game that realisticly kept the nix in the game . Although Tim Brown had a solid game while wearing the captains armband. But It's Glen Moss for me .Aidan382009-01-06 16:04:37
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The poll graph reads a bit like the results on "Who wants to be a millionaire" after ask the audience. 77% knew the result - the others had a good honest punt at the answer, or hit the wrong button in the ensuing panic when they mis-understood the question.
What happened next was Gerald went with the majority, got the question right and moved on to win $64,000
Royal2009-01-06 17:19:17
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Well Paston wasn't there so Gerald was lucky.
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Of course Paston wasn't there... it's a man of the match thread!
For what it's worth, I agree with the majority of posts - both keepers are good and each has their pros and cons. I'm not sure why there is a big debate trying to focus on the extreme opposites of one being good and the other bad, when neither is clearly bad at any aspect of their position. Ricky apparently recognises this, given that for the most part he seems to adopt a "keep the shirt" policy for starting keepers.
I don't think we'll miss Moss overly much next season providing Paston stays injury free. The same would be said of Paston if he was the one going.
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Thank You SiNZ at last an unbais comment.
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ALL my comments were unbiased. Yours were so faint and ill-informed that it's clear yours weren't.
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ALL my comments were�unbiased.� Yours were so faint and ill-informed that it's clear yours weren't.
Ill-informed? I didn't say anything that was wrong in fact you were the only person who did and you thought all there was to keeping was shot-stopping and thought that everyone of Moss's goals were not his fault. Sounds bias AND ill-informed to me.
Also carry this on in that other thread you created we don't need to continue hijacking this thread.wellyphoenixfan2009-01-06 20:13:36
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Thank You SiNZ at last an unbais comment.[/QUOTE]
Did you read it? SiNZ said what 95% of the people on this thread, including myself, have been saying, that they are both good keepers. You are the one who steamed in with the "Paston is better than Moss" routine.
[QUOTE=SiNZ] For what it's worth, I agree with the majority of posts - both keepers are good and each has their pros and cons. I'm not sure why there is a big debate trying to focus on the extreme opposites of one being good and the other bad, when neither is clearly bad at any aspect of their position
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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