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Manny's best position?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Manny's best position?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I mentioned this in another thread and a few people seem to have mentioned that they would love to clone him.
 
With that in mind, whats his best position that gives maximum value to the team? Do the Phoenix get more value out of him as RB or DM?.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
def DM.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sebsational wrote:
def DM.
this!
he locks the centre of the park down but on attack offers a solid option to get the ball forward at pace.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
RB, LB, CM, RM, LM - he could probably play striker!
He would also be fine at CB.

We must clone him!

But for now, DM is best, but just means he has less input on attack, which he can do a bit more at Right back -ala last night, a goal last year at ROF with Hearfield, bertos and manny involved also springs to mind


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DM
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
For the Nix, definitely as DM. If he was playing there last night there's no way J.Brown would have had that space for the shot.

That being said apparently Downey's no good defensively so Manny is RB by default unfortunately.



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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
With his workload and determination, anywhere other than that holding midfield role doesn't do him justice.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As has been pointed out by Jeff in the ratings thread, we probably need to drop Brown, and I think Manny should move into the centre of midfield in his place. If we continue to lack strikers, I imagine we will play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3(/4-5-1)with Greenacre as the 1. Assuming Lia is not badly injured from the weekend, and Sanchez indeed had only cramp, I hope that this weeks lineup will be something like this:

--------------Paston-------------------
-----------------------------------------
-----------Dura---Sigmund-----------
-Downey--------------------Lochead
----------------Muscat-----------------
---------Sanchez-----Lia--------------
--Ifill-------------------------Ward----
------------Greenacre-----------------

I think we need a ball winner (in Manny) to fill the gap between the defence and midfield that was exploited by J. Brown on the weekend, as well as a ball player (either Sanchez or Ward), to try and keep possession a bit better, and finally Lia to do the dog-work.
GenericFan2011-10-10 14:40:41
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
From what i saw in Dunedin Downey is about as hopeless defensively at FB as Hearfield was before he schooled up.  Hopefully he can improve as much as Hearfield, because he certainly has the pace to get forward and then track back.   
We've got no-one else to play there - unless Cameron Lindsay is up to it.  Greek looked ... ordinary.
 
So for what it's worth I'd say, for now, Manny at RB.  Best position in an otherwise balanced side - DM.  Lia and Brown can cover that DM role between them, Sanchez forward.
 
mjp22011-10-10 14:57:19
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I imagine that Manny could do a decent job anywhere

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Manny at RB automatcally grants Brown a start at CM...so there is another valid reason for us to play Manny at DM or CM.
 
Hopefully Downey could step up, but if he doesn't, as i've said before we could probably even try play Bertos at right Wingback!
Safire2011-10-10 15:39:06
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wait a minute wasn't downey brought into the squad to play as a right wingback/defender?? so why not play the kid there, much like hearfield he'll grow into the role and giove manny the dm role, perhaps it will preussure Brown and Lia to step up!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
...because those that have seen him play are terrified by the idea.

Well are we better served with the same back 4 as against GCU, or Downey at RB and Manny at DM or Griffiths/Lindsay at CB Siggy at RB and Manny at DM? Or...Bertos at RB
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Bullion wrote:
Hard News wrote:
...because those that have seen him play are terrified by the idea.

Well are we better served with the same back 4 as against GCU, or Downey at RB and Manny at DM or Griffiths/Lindsay at CB Siggy at RB and Manny at DM? Or...Bertos at RB
 
For sunday v Jets, potentially trying to cover two holes - Lia and Ifill, or three if sanchez also out
 
imho Brown and Lia together are not quite as good as Manny at DM by himself, 
and I have little confidence in either (or both of) Brown or Ward at DM, and less confidence in Downey at FB.  I'd be wanting Manny at DM if Lia is out.  Tsats didn't show me much, in the bit of game time i've seen of him, but guess he could be an option at RB to let Manny come in front of the back 4.  But I'd be looking for something better if I could get it.
 
If Lia is out I'd be inclined to give Leo a go at RB to put Manny at DM, but that means playing Ward and Downey/Daniel wide mid, assuming Ifill out.  Uuuurgh.  Unless Smith is good for wide mid?
So maybe you end up with Griffiths at CB and Sig at RB.  More likely I'd guess.  Especially if sanchez out.
Maybe Lindsay gets a run?
 
Downey and Tsats strike me as a legacy of the Serepisos era that we may prefer not to have, but I guess you can't have a squad full of starters within the cap.
 
mjp22011-10-10 17:06:53
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
who said selection headaches are good headaches to have!!?? urggghhh
 
seems we have lots of "vertitile utilities" who can cover many positions...and yet there is no one single combination that could make us all comfortable and give us confidence :P
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Never rated Muscat at RB, but he's been a revelation at DM. Keep him there
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mjp2 wrote:



From what i saw in Dunedin Downey is about as hopeless defensively at FB as Hearfield was before he schooled up.� Hopefully he can improve as much as Hearfield, because he certainly has the pace to get forward and then track back.� �
We've got no-one else to play there - unless Cameron Lindsay is up to it.� Greek looked ... ordinary.
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So for what it's worth I'd say, for now, Manny at RB.� Best position in an otherwise balanced side - DM.� Lia and Brown can cover that DM role between them, Sanchez forward.
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I think Hearfield > Downey perhaps.

we have to have Manny at RB. Means he can attack for us, as he did in the build up to the goal.

where ever he is he's gunna be good- it's really where he can be the most service to the team at the moment...


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can we pleeeease leave Brown out of the starting 11 (when there are enough fit players) *whiny voice*
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cosimo wrote:
Can we pleeeease leave Brown out of the starting 11 (when there are enough fit players) *whiny voice*

Never going to happen.



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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe if someone waits for him in a dark alley and smacks him over the knee with a crowbar?
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, I guess a pool cue would do.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This should have been a poll question.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Depends on our ambition doesn't it?

On the evidence of Sunday, Manny at RB will create goal scoring chances above and beyond what Hearfeld ever managed. At DM, he will go someone to stop us leaking goals.

tough choice, but i'm going with RB.


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's gotta be doggy style or reverse cowboy, surely?bwtcf2011-10-11 15:26:36

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
GenericFan wrote:
As has been pointed out by Jeff in the ratings thread, we probably need to drop Brown, and I think Manny should move into the centre of midfield in his place. If we continue to lack strikers, I imagine we will play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3(/4-5-1)with Greenacre as the 1. Assuming Lia is not badly injured from the weekend, and Sanchez indeed had only cramp, I hope that this weeks lineup will be something like this:

--------------Paston-------------------
-----------------------------------------
-----------Dura---Sigmund-----------
-Downey--------------------Lochead
----------------Muscat-----------------
---------Sanchez-----Lia--------------
--Ifill-------------------------Ward----
------------Greenacre-----------------

I think we need a ball winner (in Manny) to fill the gap between the defence and midfield that was exploited by J. Brown on the weekend, as well as a ball player (either Sanchez or Ward), to try and keep possession a bit better, and finally Lia to do the dog-work.
 
The tradeoff is of course that Greenacre gets left on his own up front again. And as we saw he is brilliant with someone with him up front, but not so brilliant on his own.
 
I'd try moving Sanchez back up front, and just having a Lia/Muscat central midfield. But would this make us lose too much go forward in midfield?
 
Possibly not, as we do tend to bypass it anyway, in favour of booting it directly up front, or playing it out wide.
 
Worth a go I think. But never going to happen, as Ricki will never drop Brown.
 
(The above is assuming Downey can play RB adequately - which it sounds like he can't...Any chance he can improve in the role?)
Tegal2011-10-11 15:28:55

Allegedly

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Missionary.
 
/discussion.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Missionary.
 
/discussion.
 
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Sanchez should operate slightly deeper than he did on Sunday, and would hopefully give him more ball. And have manny central with him.

Then that gives the likes of Ifill a little bit more license to attack, and less to defend


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Surely muscat can attack more often from cdm, I saw a bit of it last season it just didn't happen often. Maybe if lia covered him, he would feel safer attacking more
Or if we played a 4231(/4222) with Sanchez giving greenacre the support playing second striker/Am. giving us a
----------------------Paston-------------------
-----------------------------------------------
-------------------Dura---Sigmund--------------
---Downey/Bertos--------------------Lochhead---
--------------- -Muscat---Lindsay--------------
-----------------------------------------------
----------Ifill------Sanchez-----------Ward----
--------------------Greenacre------------------

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the sooner he can return to DM the better

to whoever said anywhere and included striker above - perhaps anywhere except striker

then again, if you are planning to miss I guess a throw-in by the corner flag is easier to defend than a goal-kick

Manny the tactical genius - and pretty much my favourite Nix player if Iffil is not on the pitch
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We are a different and significantly better team when Manny plays DM.
 
I recall Herbert saying on the radio before the GCU game (a day or so before) that he couldn't both play Manny at DM and have Sanchez starting. I still haven't figured out why not (other than thinking he couldn't bring himself to not have both Brown and Lia on the park).
 
If Lia's injured he may well have to solve his dilemma.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i actually think it is exactly that- he doesnt want to drop either of Lia or Brown, which is bullsh*t.

On form from game 1, manny and sanchez's spots are guaranteed, so team should be picked around them


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
i actually think it is exactly that- he doesnt want to drop either of Lia or Brown, which is bullsh*t.

On form from game 1, manny and sanchez's spots are guaranteed, so team should be picked around them


Just remember "Form is temporary, class is permanent"


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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
From DM, Manny is immense. Offers superb break up of opposition attacks and I distinctly remember a couple of wonderful assists from him in that position last season.

The sooner he's back there the better imo.
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Jfru36 wrote:
Surely muscat can attack more often from cdm, I saw a bit of it last season it just didn't happen often. Maybe if lia covered him, he would feel safer attacking more
Or if we played a 4231(/4222) with Sanchez giving greenacre the support playing second striker/Am. giving us a
----------------------Paston-------------------
-----------------------------------------------
-------------------Dura---Sigmund--------------
---Downey/Bertos--------------------Lochhead---
--------------- -Muscat---Lindsay--------------
-----------------------------------------------
----------Ifill------Sanchez-----------Ward----
--------------------Greenacre------------------

 
I dont think that Bertos is good enough at tackling to play that defensive wing back role..There may be issues over Downeys defensive ability but..hell he's quick

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Junior82 wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
i actually think it is exactly that- he doesnt want to drop either of Lia or Brown, which is bullsh*t.

On form from game 1, manny and sanchez's spots are guaranteed, so team should be picked around them


Just remember "Form is temporary, class is permanent"




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