Marinovic or Sail

Bit of a discussion in the match thread so thought let's go old school (see Paston or Moss thread circa 2008 and 2009). What you think? Who is the better organiser? Who's saves more penalties? That was a iconic thread. 

I'll start. Marinovic is a covid denier. And people still can't spell his name correctly. 

Sail has an A-League quality haircut, gets the nod for me

Sail allows the commentators to say things about spinnakers and etc. 

Every time he makes a cracking save, I think of this song, and it just makes me feel happy.

This should also be his anthem every time he keeps a clean sheet. 

it's a tough call, both are quality keepers and both have had moments of brilliance for us along with some howlers. Last season Marinovic was your first pick behind maybe the captain. This season not so much. Sail has made best use of his opportunities and seems to be the better of the two at the moment. Consistency is the key, and at the moment that sits with Sail!

I have a Sail 20 shirt so thats enough for me for him to get my vote

martinb

Sail allows the commentators to say things about spinnakers and etc. 

Are we a bit worried that Sail will get a bit flappy in the wind ...

Like Patson/Moss, Sail/Marinovic is a good problem to have

Marinovic had a great season last year and had a good claim to being one of the top keepers in the comp. If you had asked this at the end of last season, i'm sure it would be at least 90% of the vote to him..

This season though, hes certainly been outperformed by Sail. Sail was also impressive in the one off games he's played previously. An excellent performance vs the Jets springs to mind.

I'd be more than happy with Sail going forward. He's a good keeper and i presume is on a much lower salary. I don't know the amounts but if its significant enough that we can upgrade another position then i think it's a no-brainer.


+ one of them has whack views. 

I once saw Oli Sail drop his phone while walking down Courtenay Place on a night out. Clearly doesn't have safe hands, so Stef for me.

Thread title should be "Marinovich or Sale"

Ive said it from the start of the season that Sail is our No1 man in goal!, Though he has nothing on Marinovic from last season but we are talking about now.
In Sail we trust!

Neither of them have anything on Tony Warner.

Reminds me a bit of the early days when Paston gave Mossy a sniff and he took the chance and made it his.

Golf cart joyride vs UN definition of torture.

Battle of the covidiots.

el grapadura

Neither of them have anything on Tony Warner.

I agree not to report this if Boxy changes his comment from Tony Warner to Reece Crowther! 😂

I back Sail because accidentally drunkingly driving a golf cart out of an isolation zone is a lot funnier in hindsight than being a batshark crazy conspiracy theorist.

As Royz was the first on the Sail bandwagon
I think we all deep down in our hearts
know what the answer really is

Now for my serious post. I reckon Sail is better with crosses and distribution. Think Uffy said as much a week or so back. I originally though Marinovic was a better stop shopper, but Sail has done well on that front. So maybe not that far behind. Marinovic hasn't been great reading the play and has rushed out of his box with terrible effect. Not sure Sail has show much either way. Perhaps he's a bit more conservative (see the Keogh's ruled out goal). 

Sail's never been spotted ordering cookies from Subway after a Phoenix match. Just sayin. 

Stefan is a beast. Also what's the chatter about his denial stuff? I mean I heard he got frustrated not to be able to get his better half here, but...?
But I thought that Sail might have got a look-in earlier. I think he's getting the benefit of having played with the back line in ressies (and firing the ball up to  Ben Waine come to that), whereas Marinovic had a misfiring final line of defence that he couldn't have had full confidence in.
I think Paston/Moss was keepers with greater differences than these two. Marinovic possibly having a bit of a form dip and maybe not punching all the crosses he could, but still a great keeper. 
Think Sail has got some momentum, but I'd like to wait a few games before we get certain about the number 1 jersey. As has been said Stefan was our man of the match often and is also the incumbent national team keeper iirc.

I've seen a hell of a lot of previously normal people get sucked into this COVID conspiracy bullshark, to be fair. It just stems from the feeling of uncertainty - it's easier to blame politicians than admit we have a real issue.

Anyway, Marinovic was bad since post lockdown - I personally think he's still clearly a better keeper than Sail, who while being a good shot stopper is a 'puncher' on corners/crosses which I'm not a huge fan of. He doesn't seem to command the box the same, but is a great on the line shot stopper.

His distribution has been surprisingly bad. I thought I remember that being one of the biggest positives to his game? Fair play to him, though, he's kept us in it with those saves and deserves to retain his spot for now.

I haven't seen enough of Sail to say he's better, but what I have seen says he should keep his spot 
(but could he have done better with the Keogh offside goal?)

Not enjoying the sailing metaphors from commentators though - so lazy!

I definitely remember Sail being better with his distribution, but overall i've been impressed and pleased with his efforts since returning. As soon as you're outed as an anti-vaxxer freak all respect is gone imo. Marinovic has been sharke since the first lockdown and even worse when he returned for the new season. Maybe some tin foil got stuck between his ears.  It's a shame as he was superb last season (BC) but his head clearly isn't where it needs to be at the moment. Having lost someone due to Covid, he can get fudgeed though.

Or how about this classic?
Sorry I'll stop posting just videos now. But his name lends itself to some cracking puns and wordplay, and just good tunes as well.

Also, just as an aside, think it's perhaps too harsh to judge respective goalkeepers based on what they choose to believe in, in
terms of beliefs and theories (conspiracy or otherwise)... Considering we were all behind Marinovic after a good season last year.

Sail is taking his opportunity and that can only be good for us as a whole. More squad competition, the better we become as a team. Just my two cents of course.

I really hope that some beliefs, if they make other people unsafe, are not tolerated for even the best players. We wouldn't hire Paolo di Canio, for example (sorry, the names of currently-playing fascists don't leap to mind)

Sail's speed allows him to collect faster, lower and deeper crosses than Marinovic. Because of this I think he may well turn out to be a lot better.

In form, Marinovic is an unstoppable wall. I rate him as last seasons 2nd best A-League keeper.

It's awesome having two great keepers, but from a New Zealand football point of view, I'd rather see them both playing every week. Seems like a waste having one of them on the bench.

Easy rotation for the coach ... if you concede at the near post you get dropped for your rival. At the moment Oli has the job.

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Sail's speed allows him to collect faster, lower and deeper crosses than Marinovic. Because of this I think he may well turn out to be a lot better.

In form, Marinovic is an unstoppable wall. I rate him as last seasons 2nd best A-League keeper.

It's awesome having two great keepers, but from a New Zealand football point of view, I'd rather see them both playing every week. Seems like a waste having one of them on the bench.

I think Sail has a lot of work to do on his technique. It's...unorthodox to say the least. 

What part is unorthodox? 

2ndBest

What part is unorthodox? 

A Nix keeper with back to back clean sheets?

2ndBest

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TBF iirc this was a man who likes being outdoors who'd done a lot more quarantine than most and was extremely frustrated at not being able to bring important people to New Zealand or Australia. I have seen much worse and I know people who made statements at different times during lockdown/ quarantine that they don't stand by.
Also we celebrated Smeltzy and Mossy who are really keen on Clive Palmer.
It's not cool, but he's been a good keeper and he didn't get drunk and break quarantine or nothing...

martinb

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TBF iirc this was a man who likes being outdoors who'd done a lot more quarantine than most and was extremely frustrated at not being able to bring important people to New Zealand or Australia. I have seen much worse and I know people who made statements at different times during lockdown/ quarantine that they don't stand by.
Also we celebrated Smeltzy and Mossy who are really keen on Clive Palmer.
It's not cool, but he's been a good keeper and he didn't get drunk and break quarantine or nothing...

Tend to agree. Isn't that Marinovic Tweet from over 6 months ago, when to be honest many people believed that the Swedish approach to Covid might be the way to go. Since proven to be not.

Have I missed something? Has he also espoused conspiracy theories or anti vax views? That above post post contains neither, just a strong (and in hindsight not smart) view that NZ should go all Sweden on Covid.

His German partner is a pharmacist, so I highly doubt he is a nutcase anti vaxer.

I'm picturing Sail's partner is a beauty therapist. But enjoy his smiley nature during matches. Looks like he is enjoying himself. Has been a long wait after all to get a run of games.

Marinovic looks all Germanic seriousness.

All this talk about distribution makes me wonder if Keegan Smith, should be in ahead both of them

It seems like lots of people are putting words in Marinovic's mouth. I'm still yet to see anything where he is outs himself as a 'covid denier' or anti vac. He might be, but the quotes I've seen seem more about suggesting lock down isn't the best approach for dealing with the problem, which isn't the same thing as denying covid exists.

I like what I've seen from Sail in the last couple of games.
I also understand the instinct behind not wanting a covid denier in the side, but you could argue that putting him on the field keeps him away from his phone.

siac

It seems like lots of people are putting words in Marinovic's mouth. I'm still yet to see anything where he is outs himself as a 'covid denier' or anti vac. He might be, but the quotes I've seen seem more about suggesting lock down isn't the best approach for dealing with the problem, which isn't the same thing as denying covid exists.

Agreed. Not met him but he seems like a good guy, so a bit surprised to hear people suggest he's partial to a conspiracy. If what's been posted is the extent of it though then we've really got to recalibrate our radars. Presuming his Sweden post was from early on when there was genuine uncertainty (from people far smarter than ourselves) about the best way forward and a tongue-in-cheek comment while confined to a hotel room for long stretches.

In conclusion; Oli's haircut shades it for me at present.

Team Ramrod

siac

It seems like lots of people are putting words in Marinovic's mouth. I'm still yet to see anything where he is outs himself as a 'covid denier' or anti vac. He might be, but the quotes I've seen seem more about suggesting lock down isn't the best approach for dealing with the problem, which isn't the same thing as denying covid exists.

Agreed. Not met him but he seems like a good guy, so a bit surprised to hear people suggest he's partial to a conspiracy. If what's been posted is the extent of it though then we've really got to recalibrate our radars. Presuming his Sweden post was from early on when there was genuine uncertainty (from people far smarter than ourselves) about the best way forward and a tongue-in-cheek comment while confined to a hotel room for long stretches.

In conclusion; Oli's haircut shades it for me at present.

I disagree, those advocating Sweden here (in NZ not on here) weren't intelligent and had a distinct politic bias. but anyway, we digress from the real topic at hand. Sail deserves to be no.1 at the moment, Marinovic has his work cut out (a good thing for competition).

WanderingSheep

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siac

It seems like lots of people are putting words in Marinovic's mouth. I'm still yet to see anything where he is outs himself as a 'covid denier' or anti vac. He might be, but the quotes I've seen seem more about suggesting lock down isn't the best approach for dealing with the problem, which isn't the same thing as denying covid exists.

Agreed. Not met him but he seems like a good guy, so a bit surprised to hear people suggest he's partial to a conspiracy. If what's been posted is the extent of it though then we've really got to recalibrate our radars. Presuming his Sweden post was from early on when there was genuine uncertainty (from people far smarter than ourselves) about the best way forward and a tongue-in-cheek comment while confined to a hotel room for long stretches.

In conclusion; Oli's haircut shades it for me at present.

I disagree, those advocating Sweden here (in NZ not on here) weren't intelligent and had a distinct politic bias. but anyway, we digress from the real topic at hand. Sail deserves to be no.1 at the moment, Marinovic has his work cut out (a good thing for competition).

Does that mean you also think those running Sweden's [original] pandemic response are also unintelligent and political? 

You inferred that Marinovic is an "anti-vaxxer freak" in your earlier post - and maybe he is! It's a fairly strong allegation to make though and as has been pointed out - nothing has been posted (yet) that would suggest this.

Disc. I am not Stefan (or Oli)