Mark Paston

that's a good point - but Paston's the best keeper we've got anyway.

I played in goal for quite a few years and I thought he could've done a bit more.  Came out slowish and didn't look committed.  At first I thought he came out slow as he was worried if he got there quick and grabbed the ball then momentum may take him out of the box and it would be a handball but turns out he was far from the line.

Just my opinion and can't be bothered with another argument about it.

It shouldn't happen like this - but maybe it does.
But Paston definitely should start no matter if he needs national team form or not. He is good enough

Well when the heck is he going to show us he's good enough!? How many blunders will we have to sit through waiting to see this hidden talent?

Only till this Sunday, he'll be sweet

but the problem, he put his arms up AFTER THE BALL WAS KICKED !!

Blunders?

What about the times Moss fluffed it going out for crosses that Paston has shown he can take? And also the fact that IN GENERAL the defence has been more organised with Paston between the sticks?

This debate can be summed up very succinctly (and has been already in this thread) like this:

Moss: Great shot-stopper, bit crap with crosses, middle of the road communicator.
Paston: Middle of the road shot-stopper, good with crosses, good communicator.

Paston is a different kind of keeper, but many of you are judging him on one factor - that his reflexes are slower than Moss'! If Paston had those kind of reflexes, he'd be too good for the A-League. He doesn't, and should be judged on his organisational skills (so yes Sunday was a crap game, but not enough to drop him).

From FFT:

The main talking point from Sunday's game has been the leaky defence but Sigmund stresses the onus is on every player to mark up, not just the defenders.

"When you're defending at the back if you've got strikers and midfielders all running at you it's not easy to mark."

I agree. The leaky defense should be addressed. I'm glad that Ricki and Co are putting the pressure on.

If you want to increase your Football IQ (Most of you do need to) read this post. wellyphoenixfan2009-08-13 17:22:42

End Of. 

We pinched the wrong keeper, dammit!

He's big

Haha, nice, Feverish.

To extend my earlier post; with Paston in goal it is in fact even more important that the team is in order defensively down the middle. With Moss in goal, the opposition could go wide and look to get a high cross into the area. Now with Paston, taking the ball into the area along the ground with an incisive pass or good dribbling (see second goal against NJ) and hitting the target is more likely to produce goals than letting Paston have easy crosses to get to.

I would hope you would mention his organisational skills if this was going to be a proper chant

He Leaps
He Flies
His defence is organised
Mark Paston, Mark Paston

            Greenacre Ifill

            Bertos        Hearfield

            Brown     Diego
     
                    McKain

              Lochy     Dura

                     Siggie
                    
                     Paston

Sorted. We're gonna win the league!

Sorry CL, but this is just a load of half-truths and stereotypes not based on reality. To put it mildly.

And as for the stupid farken 'defensive organisation' factor - none us here have played with both Moss and Paston to know who's more vocal and a better communicator. If anything, judging from TV, Moss looks to communicate more clearly than Paston who appears very quiet. Moss is also much better in the air now than two years ago - looked decisive and commanding under the high ball against CCM. A lot of people here have wrongly bagged Paston for his performance on the weekend, but overall Moss is clearly the better keeper. Ricky certainly thinks so.

I have explained this to you so many times EG. Ask these questions:

Why does Moss always get more shots taken at him on goal? (and probably off)
Concede more goals?
Make more saves?

These things all point to bad organisation of the defence.

So clearly then, Moss is a better keeper, since he only conceded 2 goals against CCM, and Paston conceded 3 against Newcastle.

There, I'm glad we're agreed now.

Avoid the question if you want but don't start the Moss vs Paston debate V.2

Well, I've just used your criteria - Paston had more shots taken at him on the weekend, had more saves to make, and conceded more goals.

So you using the criteria you endlessly propunded last season, Moss is a better keeper.

Yeah ok this season but that is one game and you can't seriously believe one game is how this is going to end up at the end of the season. Also according to the A-League website Moss has made 1 save while Paston has made none, however, that is wrong.

Obviously I'm not using it seriously, just in hope that you'll realise that you can't judge keeper's abilities based on stats like that.

Yes but those variables were used and it turned out that Moss was still worse! Those variables being the defenders playing for them and also the sides they played.

Yes of course who cares if a keeper concedes tons of goals and is forced to make millions of saves that doesn't matter aslong as he looks good doing it he is a better keeper.

He's tall
He's sound
And his feet do leave the ground
Mark Paston, Mark Paston


hepatitis2009-08-13 21:37:42

I ask again - who made more saves and conceded more goals on the weekend...it's a very circular argumet you're using. And hasn't convinced anyone, I might add.

Does Paston still have a very pained expression on his face whenever he takes a goalkick?  I remember when he was with the Knights that annoyed me no end.

Yes, yes he does, always looks utterly disappointed with his distribution, which is definately better then Mossy's BTW

Paston has very high expectations of himself, like a good professional should. Of course he gets annoyed with himself when he knows he can do better or if he's messed up.

Come on guys. We all know each keeper has positives and negatives. Its like comparing Heskey to Owen.

Pastons not gonna let in any this weekend which I guess gives him the edge

As another x-keeper I also thought he was not committed enough to smothering first goal , seemed to come out slow and half hearted threw his arms up at the last moment instead of coming out with the intent to smother.

I thought I might clarify. I think Moss is a better keeper all-round, and that he is still very much improving. I base my ideas of Paston's ability to organise the defense on having watched both of them play several games, and is personal opinion (though one backed up by many people).

My main issue is with people criticising Paston for not being as good as Moss in one area of his game, despite them being different kind of keeper, and suggestions that he should be dropped. Surely as Moss is better than Paston, Paston is better than Crowther.

For f**k Sake,

Is this not the most pointless discussion ever?

Moss isn't here. He's goneski. So I don't really give a rats arse how good he is. Because we can't pick him.

Paston is the best keeper WE have.

Admittedly come November its a different story but thats ages away and even then this would be in the wrong section Gangsta!2009-08-14 00:12:59