He's banned then anyway (Moss). So it'll be Paston with either Imray or Bannatyne on the bench.
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No one has a problem with your opinion that Paston is better than Moss WPF - it's just the stupid stats you use to back up an argument that cannot be resolved through the use of statistics (ie Paston is better at organising his defence) The shots on goal stat has so many other variables and yet you use it as a clear indication that Paston organises his defence better than Moss did.
Dude, you can't account for all variables with the use of statistics....how can you say that because Moss made more saves than Paston using the same back four Paston is better at organising his defence? That doesn't account for variables such as players having an off day, the defence playing better one week than they did the other, conditions, the opposition having a blinder or a shocker, the midfield having more holes in it than a sieve, types of shots on goal etc etc.
I apologise for using Moss in this argument because I know he is no longer at the club but I'm not actually arguing over who is better between the two, I'm just pointing out the massive flaws in WPFs arguments when he points to a few statistics to champion one keeper over the other.
Surely the defence takes the responsibility for 95% of their positioning anyway? I've never heard a commentator say 'my lord the centre back was woefully out of position in that play - what was the keeper thinking??'
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I base my ideas of Paston's ability to organise the defense on having watched both of them play several games, and is personal opinion (though one backed up by many people).
By WPF. And no-one else.
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Surely the defence takes the responsibility for 95% of their positioning anyway? I've never heard a commentator say 'my lord the centre back was�woefully out of position in that play - what was the keeper thinking??'
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No one has a problem with your opinion that Paston is better than Moss WPF - it's just the stupid stats you use to back up an argument that cannot be resolved through the use of statistics (ie Paston is better at organising his defence) The shots on goal stat has so many other variables and yet you use it as a clear indication that Paston organises his defence better than Moss did.
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Dude, you can't account for all variables with the use of statistics....how can you say that because Moss made more saves than Paston using the same back four Paston is better at organising his defence? That doesn't account for variables such as players having an off day, the defence playing better one week than they did the other,�conditions, the opposition having a blinder or a shocker, the midfield having more holes in it than a sieve, types of shots on goal etc etc.
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I apologise for using Moss in this argument because I know he is no longer at the club but I'm not actually arguing over who is better between the two, I'm just pointing out the massive flaws in WPFs arguments when he points to a few statistics to champion one keeper over the other.
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Surely the defence takes the responsibility for 95% of their positioning anyway? I've never heard a commentator say 'my lord the centre back was�woefully out of position in that play - what was the keeper thinking??'
EG that is stupid logic. If you are basing it on one game and I have already said that Paston had a poor game organisational skills wise so to a degree yes, atm Moss is having a better season but that is based on one game which is just stupid.wellyphoenixfan2009-08-14 16:41:58
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He's big
I would hope you would mention his organisational skills if this was going to be a proper chant He's tall
He can not stop a ball
Mark Paston, Mark Paston
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He's big
He dives
And you glad he's on your side
Mark Paston, Mark PastonAllWhitebelievr2009-08-15 02:51:56
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can we drop this topic - it happened all last season and one game into this season it has started all over!!
It's not going anywherechchnix2009-08-14 21:30:51
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can we drop this topic - it happened all last season and one game into this season it has started all over!!
It's not going anywhere
Na, keep it going! This is bloody hilarious and when I have 10 minutes spare I have a read.
I think the "keeper that makes the most saves is the worst organiser" theory is dynamite. Theoklitos when he was at the Knights must have been shocking at organising and then suddenly the best in the league when he went to Melbourne. Remarkable turnaround.
Utter bollocks, but keep it going. It's better than alcohol
Royal2009-08-15 08:07:37
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From those that have seen him in training and pre-season ... How far behind Paston is Crowther ?
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hmm, I understand when it's written down like that on an internet forum, but do you understand that organisational skills can't be defined by the use of a single statistic? and that in the game of football there are variables that can't be accounted for with stats? Ie the defence having a rubbish day
The Theoklitos Knights argument was a gem - how do you explain that with stats? was he woeful at organising his defence because he had to make so many saves? or were there other things to consider.....
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From those that have seen him in training and pre-season ... How far behind Paston is Crowther ?
Good question. My friends here in London who are big QPR fans rated him highly. I know he had a shocker in China but again that was potentially down to the defence being awol just like last weekend.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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+1, he looked the goods for most of preseason, only one bad performance (and it wasn't that bad) against Gangzhou.
You know we belong together...
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[/QUOTE] Wellyphoenix fan: Ok if you make more saves it means the the attackers are making more shots. If the other team is making more shots it means that the defence is not organised as they are letting the other team make more shots. Understand now? [QUOTE]
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hmm, I understand when it's written down like that on an internet forum, but do you understand that organisational skills can't be defined by the use of a single statistic? and that in the game of football there are variables that can't be accounted for with stats? Ie the defence�having a rubbish day
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The Theoklitos Knights�argument was a gem - how do you explain that with stats? was he woeful at organising his defence because he had to make so many saves? or were there other things to consider.....
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I am using two keepers in the same league and for a while the same team to make judgements so defenders were the same. Also you would have to take the entire league into account if you were going to make a judgement. For example quality of opposition strikers, quality of defenders... OF course when the defenders have a bad game no matter how good you are at organising the defence it is not going to matter. See Durante in the last game.
Also Theoklitos never played for the Knights only the Kingz I thought.wellyphoenixfan2009-08-15 10:23:52
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+1, he looked the goods for most of preseason, only one bad performance (and it wasn't that bad) against Gangzhou.
He was worse than I have ever seen Paston.
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Knights
Michael played for the Kingz 2001/2002 season. He never played for the Knights, he had the last 4 seasons with the Victory.
A dog with a bone :)
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Michael played for the Kingz 2001/2002 season. He never played for the Knights, he had the last 4 seasons with the Victory.
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Michael played for the Kingz 2001/2002 season. He never played for the Knights, he had the last 4 seasons with the Victory.
he's not going great guns at the moment
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He was on Good Morning today, with his cute little son.
PS - it's quite funny reading this thread now 
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Worst thread ever.
I needed a laugh on a dreary tuesday afternoon, I say keep it coming and give them both more stats to work with. Who knows what they could come up with next
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He was on Good Morning today, with his cute little son.�
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PS - it's quite funny reading this thread now
I think that the male presenter has a thing for Pasty
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EDIT: Wrong thread...wellyphoenixfan2009-12-01 19:01:14
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He was on Good Morning today, with his cute little son.
Just shows how astute some of the football brains on here are.PS - it's quite funny reading this thread now
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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