Marquee Player vs Extended Salary Cap
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Interesting take on the marquee player after a weekend in which marquees universally failed to fire:
james dean2008-10-21 02:11:02
Agostino on the bench, again
Moore on the losing side, again
Zura missing a pen, still hasn't scored
Archie getting a red
Aloisi looking underwhelming up front (and stil hasn't scored)
Is the marquee system working? And should sides that don't have a marquee be allowed to extend their salary cap to possibly retain more than one player? Or should the marquee player concept be done away wth altogether and the salary cap extended across the board?
So far I would argue that the only marquee player that has delivered both on and off the field in terms of winning games and attracting players and sponsors is Dwight Yorke. A lot of money is being spent on these guys and there hasn't been a great deal of value for money, so what is the point?
Normo's coming home
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Extend the salary cap. Because I reckon it'd be better. All reasons reserved.
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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Interesting take on the marquee player after a weekend in which marquees universally failed to fire:
Agostino on the bench, again
Moore on the losing side, again
Zura missing a pen, still hasn't scored
Archie getting a red
Aloisi looking underwhelming up front (and stil hasn't scored)
Is the marquee system working? And should sides that don't have a marquee be allowed to extend their salary cap to possibly retain more than one player? Or should the marquee player concept be done away wth altogether and the salary cap extended across the board?
So far I would argue that the only marquee player that has delivered both on and off the field in terms of winning games and attracting players and sponsors is Dwight Yorke. A lot of money is being spent on these guys and there hasn't been a great deal of value for money, so what is the point?
steady on, Ahmed did wonders for the Wellington food industry
lol
in all seriousness i have to agree, even the guest players havent been to flash - benito Carbone: looked pretty good, too bad he was caught offside about 30 times a game
- Romario: well we all know what that was like.
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Do NOT touch the salary cap.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Neither Carbone of Romario were Marquee's they were both guest players. How about our Marquee this season, he went okay on Sunday.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Neither Carbone of Romario were Marquee's they were both guest players. How about our Marquee this season, he went okay on Sunday.
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Interesting take on the marquee player after a weekend in which marquees universally failed to fire:
I wouldn't say it has failed outright. You will see next season nutpuncher as the jets marquee, and possibly the only way the jets could have kept him. Archie has done ok and is the all time leading goal scorer in the a-league. Aloisi has failed as a marquee so far this season, but last season when he filled in for half a season for ccm as an injury replacement and reputedly paid $500k, he still scored 7 goals so you would expect more from him. Moore is back in the Oz national team after coming out of retirement and is playing well, its hard for a defender to get coverage.
Agostino on the bench, again
Moore on the losing side, again
Zura missing a pen, still hasn't scored
Archie getting a red
Aloisi looking underwhelming up front (and stil hasn't scored)
Is the marquee system working? And should sides that don't have a marquee be allowed to extend their salary cap to possibly retain more than one player? Or should the marquee player concept be done away wth altogether and the salary cap extended across the board?
So far I would argue that the only marquee player that has delivered both on and off the field in terms of winning games and attracting players and sponsors is Dwight Yorke. A lot of money is being spent on these guys and there hasn't been a great deal of value for money, so what is the point?
I wouldn't say it has failed outright. You will see next season nutpuncher as the jets marquee, and possibly the only way the jets could have kept him. Archie has done ok and is the all time leading goal scorer in the a-league. Aloisi has failed as a marquee so far this season, but last season when he filled in for half a season for ccm as an injury replacement and reputedly paid $500k, he still scored 7 goals so you would expect more from him. Moore is back in the Oz national team after coming out of retirement and is playing well, its hard for a defender to get coverage.
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Do NOT touch the salary cap.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Neither Carbone of Romario were Marquee's they were both guest players. How about our Marquee this season, he went okay on Sunday.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Neither Carbone of Romario were Marquee's they were both guest players. How about our Marquee this season, he went okay on Sunday.
How many people actually know we have one, though? Have I missed the big announcement to the world?
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Zura missing a pen, still hasn't scored
Just a skinny Jardel!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Also Hard News your sign off simply states that you are less of a man than 3 Karl Dodds.... I refuse to accept that
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Do NOT touch the salary cap.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Have to agree, at the moment the salary cap works fine. I think the marquee system works well, its just the poor decision ebing made by managers in picking the wrong players for marquees. Can't wait to see more marquee signings coming in from other countries outside of Brazil.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Do NOT touch the salary cap.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Surest way possible to bury clubs.
Have to agree, at the moment the salary cap works fine. I think the marquee system works well, its just the poor decision ebing made by managers in picking the wrong players for marquees. Can't wait to see more marquee signings coming in from other countries outside of Brazil.
Or in the case of Newcastle it's the club's owner, Conman Constantine, who picked both Jardel and Zura!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Hi Joel,
Welcome to Yellow Fever.
It sure is an honour to have an ACTUAL A-League SUPERSTAR sharing their views with the fans.
I'm sure many of our 'forumites' will have plenty of questions for you in days to come.
Look forward to the answers!
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You're delusional Masty.
Did you spend too much time with DKP22?
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Interesting take on the marquee player after a weekend in which marquees universally failed to fire:
Zura is no longer their marquee JG is and HN we don't have a marquee unless you know something we don't???wellyphoenixfan2008-10-21 16:53:58�
Agostino on the bench, again
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Moore on the losing side, again
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Zura missing a pen, still hasn't scored
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Archie getting a red
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Aloisi looking underwhelming up front (and stil hasn't scored)
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Is the marquee system working?� And should sides that don't have a marquee be allowed to extend their salary cap to possibly retain more than one player?� Or should the marquee player concept be done away wth altogether and the salary cap extended across the board?
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Increasing the salary cap means the biggest clubs with the deepest pockets win, and the rest are left to struggle.
Marquee player status is fine, the A-League just needs Marquee players. Not all these useless buggers that look like they're on vacation, and playing a bit of footy while they're here.
Marquee player status is fine, the A-League just needs Marquee players. Not all these useless buggers that look like they're on vacation, and playing a bit of footy while they're here.
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He's their marquee from next season you numpty.
I have heard a rumour that one of our new Australians is our secret marquee, News may have heard something more solid.
I have heard a rumour that one of our new Australians is our secret marquee, News may have heard something more solid.
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How negative.
Edmundo Zura, Mario Jardel, Craig Moore and Ahmad El**ch were outstanding marquees
Edmundo Zura, Mario Jardel, Craig Moore and Ahmad El**ch were outstanding marquees
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He's their marquee from next season you numpty.
I have heard a rumour that one of our new Australians is our secret marquee, News may have heard something more solid.
I have heard a rumour that one of our new Australians is our secret marquee, News may have heard something more solid.
If that is the case, then how can any one of our players be worth more than another, warranting marquee status? The only one I'd be tempted with is Smeltz
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It doesn't necessarily mean he's worth more, just that he's paid beyond the cap. El**ch wasn't the highest paid player in the squad last season but as an ex-Socceroo met the marquee requirements so we utilised that to sign him outside the cap.
There is a clue in there.
There is a clue in there.
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It doesn't necessarily mean he's worth more, just that he's paid beyond the cap. El**ch wasn't the highest paid player in the squad last season but as an ex-Socceroo met the marquee requirements so we utilised that to sign him outside the cap.
There is a clue in there.
There is a clue in there.
AHHHHH. Makes sense
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I guess there is no point in making it public but then what is the point in not making it public?
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Ask tonight.
It was just a rumour floating around a while back.
It was just a rumour floating around a while back.
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If I was there, I'd ask. Let me know the result
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I guess there is no point in making it public but then what is the point in not making it public?
The point in not making it public would probably be bcause he is not expected to play to the standard of a marquee and they don't want the public to put undue pressure on him.
And before people ask what the point in making him marquee was then, it's because of money, basically.
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I would argue that it wasn't necessarily about money, my understanding is that El**ch wasn't on massive money. Illustrated by the point he isn't the marquee at CCM (is he?). A Marquee has to meet certain requirements and an ex-socceroo would meet that, so if you put him under the marquee spot you open up another spot in your roster.
Hope that logic made some kind of sense
Hope that logic made some kind of sense
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Kind of.....and as this thread points out, the marquee player may be better used in this way unless you can get a Dwight Yorke
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I would argue that it wasn't necessarily about money, my understanding is that El**ch wasn't on massive money. Illustrated by the point he isn't the marquee at CCM (is he?). A Marquee has to meet certain requirements and an ex-socceroo would meet that, so if you put him under the marquee spot you open up another spot in your roster.
Hope that logic made some kind of sense
Hope that logic made some kind of sense
That's actually what I meant pretty much. Haha.
I don't think he could be on much more than anyone else in the squad.
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Making Smeltz our marquee next year could be a good way to make sure we keep him so from that respect the marquee slot is a good idea. It's also a good vehicle to bring players who the mainstream public may have heard of so potentially attracts new viewers (live or on tv).
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
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Making Smeltz our marquee next year could be a good way to make sure we keep him so from that respect the marquee slot is a good idea. It's also a good vehicle to bring players who the mainstream public may have heard of so potentially attracts new viewers (live or on tv).
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
We support DODDINGTON not SMELTZINGTON!!!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Making Smeltz our marquee next year could be a good way to make sure we keep him so from that respect the marquee slot is a good idea. It's also a good vehicle to bring players who the mainstream public may have heard of so potentially attracts new viewers (live or on tv).
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
We support DODDINGTON not SMELTZINGTON!!!
Shouldn't your name be C-Doddy then?
brumbys2008-10-22 13:56:15
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Making Smeltz our marquee next year could be a good way to make sure we keep him so from that respect the marquee slot is a good idea. It's also a good vehicle to bring players who the mainstream public may have heard of so potentially attracts new viewers (live or on tv).
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
I also think that we need to increase the salary cap. News' point is noted and I agree but there needs to be a balance where we can retain good players in the league without bankrupting clubs.
So, slowly increase the cap as average crowds increase and as advertising/sponsor/tv revenue increases.
It would be good to get to the point where a career playing in the A League is as attractive to young players as say playing for years in the Championship or lower leagues or in Finland or Romania...
The very best players will still head to Europe but that's good for the game too.
We support DODDINGTON not SMELTZINGTON!!!
Shouldn't your name be C-Doddy then?
C-Diddy > Dodd!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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How negative.
Edmundo Zura, Mario Jardel, Craig Moore and Ahmad El**ch were outstanding marquees
Edmundo Zura, Mario Jardel, Craig Moore and Ahmad El**ch were outstanding marquees
Sensing your sarcasm I can't help but come in and say that El**ch was not anywhere near as bad as we made him out to be. He did, however, have an abysmal, Malik Buari-esque cross on him.
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How negative.
Edmundo Zura, Mario Jardel, Craig Moore and Ahmad El**ch were outstanding marquees
Edmundo Zura, Mario Jardel, Craig Moore and Ahmad El**ch were outstanding marquees
Sensing your sarcasm I can't help but come in and say that El**ch was not anywhere near as bad as we made him out to be. He did, however, have an abysmal, Malik Buari-esque cross on him.
That cross won us a lot of corners. Unfortunately our corner routines were defended fairly well later in the season.
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Sensing your sarcasm I can't help but come in and say that El**ch was not anywhere near as bad as we made him out to be. He did, however, have an abysmal, Malik Buari-esque cross on him.
I thought he was horrible, one stunning srtike aside.
He was sposed to be a quick winger who could beat his man. He had none of those.
A poor man's bertos.
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