Wellington Phoenix Men

Match 18 vs Western United | Thu 22nd Apr | 9:05pm | SS7

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almost 5 years ago
newzealandpower
I think Charles might be worse than Appiah

No, Charles can trap the ball.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 5 years ago
If you look at the stats it shows how poor we were considering they only had 10 men.
14 shots to 10
14 fouls to 16
3 yellow cards to 4
This should have been an easier game for us that what we have coming up.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 5 years ago · edited almost 5 years ago · History
Apart from the last 5 mins, that was a poor, flat, tired 2nd half performance from the Nix. Even the WU thuggery & niggle disappeared. Made for a turgid watch.

So much of the Nix's threat from late as been from counterattacking, and flowing through midfield. That was lost when WU went to 10, and parked the bus. 

And the actual 2nd yellow for Hamill may have been very soft (we would be screaming blue murder if was any of the Nix), but when you as a team are committing fouls at a ratio of 2:1, deliberately cutting down your opponents everywhere, you run that risk. Davila's ankles will be a shade of black.

Need to somehow freshen things up for Adelaide. McGarry & Hemed (for Sotiro) to start. Big blow that sounds like Piscopo is still out. I think Fenton also needs a break from a full 90 mins, but I don't know now who fills in for him.
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almost 5 years ago
I like Clayton Lewis.
But he can bundle all of his little chip kicks over the defence into a little package and send them all the way back to fking Scodhorpe.
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almost 5 years ago
billyspleen75
I like Clayton Lewis.
But he can bundle all of his little chip kicks over the defence into a little package and send them all the way back to fking Scodhorpe.

Yeah... it was particularly bad when we had the 1 man advantage I think.
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billyspleen75
I like Clayton Lewis.
But he can bundle all of his little chip kicks over the defence into a little package and send them all the way back to fking Scodhorpe.

Also if he closes quicker he blocks the Wales shot. And we win 1-0. Eh.
Still we had nothing until Davila hit the post in that second half.


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almost 5 years ago
WUN the better team after the 20th min.
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almost 5 years ago
Dura lucky to still be on the park

https://mobile.twitter.com/WestSydney/status/1385167903012450305

Uskok and Sanchez (considering the many professional fouls the ref let go) also lucky. Scott literally took 45sec to take that last goal kick and ref added no extra time. The ref had his back turned for the Taylor Diamanti challenge so not sure how he deemed that to be a yellow when there was hardly any contact, and Ball's yellow was ridiculous when he got his foot to the ball first with no malice and Diamanti kicks Ball in the calf and trips himself up.

The Japanese guy that stood on the back Lewis's ankle miles late was worse than any of the yellows we got and didn't get anything. 
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almost 5 years ago
Bullion
Dura lucky to still be on the park

https://mobile.twitter.com/WestSydney/status/1385167903012450305

Uskok and Sanchez (considering the many professional fouls the ref let go) also lucky. Scott literally took 45sec to take that last goal kick and ref added no extra time. The ref had his back turned for the Taylor Diamanti challenge so not sure how he deemed that to be a yellow when there was hardly any contact, and Ball's yellow was ridiculous when he got his foot to the ball first with no malice and Diamanti kicks Ball in the calf and trips himself up.

The Japanese guy that stood on the back Lewis's ankle miles late was worse than any of the yellows we got and didn't get anything. 

I think I know the challenge you are talking about and on the replay it looked like Imai slipped a little at the wrong time... a bit careless, but made to look worse from slipping, and at least he checked on Lewis and apologized about it. 

The challenges from some of his team mates however (Dura included, as usual) were plain malicious, then they have the audacity to whinge to the ref.

Unlike most Phoenix fans I wasn't a big fan of Dura even when he was in Wellington; he is arguably the biggest complainer/ref harasser in the A-League.
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almost 5 years ago
martinb
billyspleen75
I like Clayton Lewis.
But he can bundle all of his little chip kicks over the defence into a little package and send them all the way back to fking Scodhorpe.

Also if he closes quicker he blocks the Wales shot. And we win 1-0. Eh.
Still we had nothing until Davila hit the post in that second half.
He's still got a lot to learn but he's made fantastic progress this season. Never mind a few failed chips, most of his passing in that game was top notch.


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almost 5 years ago · edited almost 5 years ago · History
Told u all it would end in a draw, this sum's up our season perfectly we are just not good enough even against 10 men when it counts. When it counts just plain old PANTS!

Mr Positive

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almost 5 years ago · edited almost 5 years ago · History
Frankie Mac
The handwringing in this thread is amazing.

I am just waiting for the "won't somebody think of the children"

Hammers didn't get an invite to the ESL?
They came out to foul us and kill the game. We gave away a very soft goal with a lot of defenders nearby and weren't able to spark up to run at a 5-4 defensive line in the box. 
Most annoying thing is it worked. We should have crushed them.


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almost 5 years ago
I think Talay playing most of the team for a full 90min in prev last 2 matches has taken its toll on us tonight, After they scored the goal they went flat and stayed that way until the last 4mins of the match.
Has Talay lost the dressing room?

Mr Positive

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almost 5 years ago
Royz
I think Talay playing most of the team for a full 90min in prev last 2 matches has taken its toll on us tonight, After they scored the goal they went flat and stayed that way until the last 4mins of the match.
Has Talay lost the dressing room?

You post a lot of shark but this might just take the cake smh


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almost 5 years ago
Looking back it seems the red card to Hamill seemed to work more against us than it did for them, as it basically motivated them to sit back and preserve the 1-1. The draw benefits them a lot more than us, as they have two games in hand on 5th and 6th with 3 and 1 points separating them respectively. They essentially set up a 6-3-1 on top of each other, with Diamanti high up good enough to hold it long enough to bring others in when they did decide to come forward and then use Wales, Uskok or Risdon to help. 

They also, to an extent, seemed to commit less dumb bookable fouls, only Sanchez got a booking in the second half for crunching Dávila. They put next to no pressure on the ball, and tracked back to set up their defensive line every time they lost it, meaning Payne, Taylor and Sail could pick passes into midfield, but had a bank of 6 sitting inside their box, which meant all the passing was sideways, and any deliveries would have to be perfect as they had 6 to our 2 strikers.

I think Lewis, Devlin and Dávila should have been more willing to shoot from distance in that second half, the keeper didn’t look all that good but was hardly tested, as chipped balls don’t work when they’re sitting that deep, and shooting from range will force them to step out and open up space for slipped balls elsewhere. But, anyway that second half was dreadful to watch, especially after the first where both teams tried to counterattack each other.
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almost 5 years ago
siac
Bullion
Dura lucky to still be on the park

https://mobile.twitter.com/WestSydney/status/1385167903012450305

Uskok and Sanchez (considering the many professional fouls the ref let go) also lucky. Scott literally took 45sec to take that last goal kick and ref added no extra time. The ref had his back turned for the Taylor Diamanti challenge so not sure how he deemed that to be a yellow when there was hardly any contact, and Ball's yellow was ridiculous when he got his foot to the ball first with no malice and Diamanti kicks Ball in the calf and trips himself up.

The Japanese guy that stood on the back Lewis's ankle miles late was worse than any of the yellows we got and didn't get anything. 

I think I know the challenge you are talking about and on the replay it looked like Imai slipped a little at the wrong time... a bit careless, but made to look worse from slipping, and at least he checked on Lewis and apologized about it. 

The challenges from some of his team mates however (Dura included, as usual) were plain malicious, then they have the audacity to whinge to the ref.

Unlike most Phoenix fans I wasn't a big fan of Dura even when he was in Wellington; he is arguably the biggest complainer/ref harasser in the A-League.

Not sure slipping is relevant. Who was it that slipped into a tackle at ROF under the snake? 

Anyway, I didn’t watch the second half as I needed to head to bed, but really disappointed to read we were so poor after a relatively strong first half. The warning signs were there but really hoped we’d knick  something in the second. Play offs are over IMO. Too much to do now, but I don’t expect to see them stop trying. We’ve been super unlucky with injuries / suspensions this season.
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almost 5 years ago
Talay's summation of the game pretty accurate, we were good in the first and just way to casual in the second.
His comments on the yellow/red card for Hamil make perfect sense too.
“It was right in front of me and the rules are if you lead with your arm and you hit the player in the head then it’s a yellow card,” Talay said.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 5 years ago
How many times have we hit the woodwork this season?

We were too 1 dimensional. Kept trying to go through the middle and Davila. Being so predictable made it easier for them to set up and defend. Needed Piscopo, a second creative outlet.
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almost 5 years ago
yeah, piscopo definitely drives our wide play, and gives Davila more time to operate through the middle.....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 5 years ago
Like many matches this season before, we are not consistent enough to win regular games. Finishing 6th place will be tough and is already a sad target to start with.
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almost 5 years ago
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9th after 18 games on 22 points, looking below us only really Perth can chase us down, Newcastloe are woeful at the moment as are Victory and I'd expect the Victory games in hand will be losses as Popovich tries to learn more about the squad he has.
Ahead of us is Roar who have 3 games in hand, they'll be hard to catch, WSW and the Bulls seems the likely ones for us to pass if we manage some wins. It's mathematically possible but we can't afford to drop points in any more games. Realistically 6th spot is all we can reach I think.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 5 years ago
theprof
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9th after 18 games on 22 points, looking below us only really Perth can chase us down, Newcastloe are woeful at the moment as are Victory and I'd expect the Victory games in hand will be losses as Popovich tries to learn more about the squad he has.
Ahead of us is Roar who have 3 games in hand, they'll be hard to catch, WSW and the Bulls seems the likely ones for us to pass if we manage some wins. It's mathematically possible but we can't afford to drop points in any more games. Realistically 6th spot is all we can reach I think.
Thought maybe our best chance was to overhaul McArthur but they've got Victory twice in their last 7 games. It was that loss to McArthur 3 or 4 rounds back that put to bed my hopes of a finals spot. 

Hopefully we can keep some wins going to at least maintain interest until the last few rounds because I'm really enjoying the footy we've been playing lately.
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almost 5 years ago
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks
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almost 5 years ago
Agree with Outpost. We've had some really good performances after the usual shaky start.  
While I am as gutted as everyone else that we did not get three points last night, I would consider it a purely conditioning issue.  The first part of first half was as good as it gets, except the Wales goal (I suspect Sail had his field of vision obscured by our defence). However, our second half looked like we effectively ran out of puff before a final 10 minutes rally.  Possibly leaving Sutton on for such a long time when he already played a full game last weekend cost us as we did not pose sufficient threat out wide in the second half till McGarry came on.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 5 years ago
Outpost
theprof
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9th after 18 games on 22 points, looking below us only really Perth can chase us down, Newcastloe are woeful at the moment as are Victory and I'd expect the Victory games in hand will be losses as Popovich tries to learn more about the squad he has.
Ahead of us is Roar who have 3 games in hand, they'll be hard to catch, WSW and the Bulls seems the likely ones for us to pass if we manage some wins. It's mathematically possible but we can't afford to drop points in any more games. Realistically 6th spot is all we can reach I think.
Thought maybe our best chance was to overhaul McArthur but they've got Victory twice in their last 7 games. It was that loss to McArthur 3 or 4 rounds back that put to bed my hopes of a finals spot. 

Hopefully we can keep some wins going to at least maintain interest until the last few rounds because I'm really enjoying the footy we've been playing lately.
Despite the results we've been playing some really good football. 30 goals for puts us 3rd on the goals scored chart and for the msot part we look dangerous every time the ball gets turned over anywhere on the field. 28 goals against isn't great but as far as I can remember, we haven't leaked any set piece goals when Tayls has been on the field? Over a normal 27 game or longer season I'd back us to easily make the top 6, but with the condensed season and our poor start I think we'll just run out of games. 

If we can re-sign the bulk of the squad (i.e. no rebuild) we'll be up there next season. Sortirio gets a lot of shark but he actually looks to be getting better, got his head up well, made some intelligent runs, didnt dribble the ball aimlessly out of play. On the other hand trialist hasn't shown anything apart from why he has no A-league goals. I love seeing Waine kick on (and the massive smile on his face every time he scores), which is what we were lacking from McCowatt last season. 

The inability to break down teams defending deep is clearly the biggest weakness the Nix has now that the set-piece defense (and the squad of comparative midgets) appears to be sorted. Though is any other A-League squad particularly good at this? Hemed is probably the answer here due to his aerial presence, too bad the team just looked out of puff for most of the second half last night.

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almost 5 years ago
Smeltz4PM
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks

He is tragic to watch. Even his throw in's suck. Time to convert someone else to RB.

Founder

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almost 5 years ago · edited almost 5 years ago · History
Smeltz4PM
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks

I noticed on multiple times that he was going to break only to receive slow ball behind him or to feet instead of into space in front of him. 
May not change his option taking, but it slowed the play without any WU assistance.
Also he's fit and fastish and runs up and down all night. Not something all our players can do.
But yeh getting better players is always a thing right? Who?


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almost 5 years ago
Feverish
Smeltz4PM
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks

He is tragic to watch. Even his throw in's suck. Time to convert someone else to RB.
Fenton is no worse than many dedicated RBs in this league, and arguable better than many.  I am not at all interested in picking out any one player as the reason we cannot break deep defences.  Last night, player fatigue (and constant hacking down of Davila) contributed to our sluggish second half devoid of creativity.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 5 years ago
Mainland FC
Feverish
Smeltz4PM
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks

He is tragic to watch. Even his throw in's suck. Time to convert someone else to RB.
Fenton is no worse than many dedicated RBs in this league, and arguable better than many.  I am not at all interested in picking out any one player as the reason we cannot break deep defences.  Last night, player fatigue (and constant hacking down of Davila) contributed to our sluggish second half devoid of creativity.

My issue with Fenton is that Waine goes out to the right hand side at the tail end of lasts nights game and whips in a number of crosses. Why don't our fullbacks have the skillset to be able to do the same thing?



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almost 5 years ago
Outpost
theprof
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9th after 18 games on 22 points, looking below us only really Perth can chase us down, Newcastloe are woeful at the moment as are Victory and I'd expect the Victory games in hand will be losses as Popovich tries to learn more about the squad he has.
Ahead of us is Roar who have 3 games in hand, they'll be hard to catch, WSW and the Bulls seems the likely ones for us to pass if we manage some wins. It's mathematically possible but we can't afford to drop points in any more games. Realistically 6th spot is all we can reach I think.
Thought maybe our best chance was to overhaul McArthur but they've got Victory twice in their last 7 games. It was that loss to McArthur 3 or 4 rounds back that put to bed my hopes of a finals spot. 

Hopefully we can keep some wins going to at least maintain interest until the last few rounds because I'm really enjoying the footy we've been playing lately.


You never know, with a new coach the Victory might pull out of their rut and do OK.  Quite a few Aussie teams have done that over the years after being absolute sharke for 3/4 the season.  In Popovic I trust.... for now.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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almost 5 years ago
One thing no one seems to have picked up in that while that Cricket/AFL ground was massive, the pitch was actually quite narrow.  I think that really played against us as we generally like to use width.  

The Cake Tin is cack to watch football/rugby due to its shape but that ground, wow the 5 spectators there must have needed binoculars to see anything from the stands.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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almost 5 years ago
The cake tin was designed that way to appease the Cricket whom then went through about 10 years of pathetic crowds. Rugby, League & football have paid the price for them.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 5 years ago
coochiee


I saw that too.  

Rudan is such a salty prick to anyone and everyone that doesn't have something to offer him. 

Talking about how he chats to all the coaches and they agree about Talay.  Childish. 

Whinging that we apparently get away with stuff and that's "good" but then notching about it. 

He wants to blame us for the result not going his way but doesn't want to say getting away with shark is bad because he has his players do as much hacky niggly shark as possible. 

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almost 5 years ago
Bananas
coochiee


I saw that too.  

Rudan is such a salty prick to anyone and everyone that doesn't have something to offer him. 

Talking about how he chats to all the coaches and they agree about Talay.  Childish. 

Whinging that we apparently get away with stuff and that's "good" but then notching about it. 

He wants to blame us for the result not going his way but doesn't want to say getting away with shark is bad because he has his players do as much hacky niggly shark as possible. 

"He didn’t stop shouting and barking at the referee non-stop, he does it all time". 

Wow that is some breathtaking hypocrisy from Rudan.
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almost 5 years ago
reubee
Mainland FC
Feverish
Smeltz4PM
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks

He is tragic to watch. Even his throw in's suck. Time to convert someone else to RB.
Fenton is no worse than many dedicated RBs in this league, and arguable better than many.  I am not at all interested in picking out any one player as the reason we cannot break deep defences.  Last night, player fatigue (and constant hacking down of Davila) contributed to our sluggish second half devoid of creativity.

My issue with Fenton is that Waine goes out to the right hand side at the tail end of lasts nights game and whips in a number of crosses. Why don't our fullbacks have the skillset to be able to do the same thing?



In hindsight maybe bring on Laws for Fenton and shift Payne to RB for better delivery. Instead of Lokoli-Ngoy brought on at LW keep Sutton on but bring on McGarry for Ball. Maybe Rufer for Devlin to speed up ball movement and switches to the flank. 
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almost 5 years ago
Bullion
reubee
Mainland FC
Feverish
Smeltz4PM
Agree that the sending off compressed the game too much for us to get anything going. 
Fenton I think has been good for the club and obviously gives it everything but he is just so terribly indecisive when he gets into attacking positions and then delivery into the area is consistently very poor.
He's not alone though we have been so wasteful from wide positions the last few weeks

He is tragic to watch. Even his throw in's suck. Time to convert someone else to RB.
Fenton is no worse than many dedicated RBs in this league, and arguable better than many.  I am not at all interested in picking out any one player as the reason we cannot break deep defences.  Last night, player fatigue (and constant hacking down of Davila) contributed to our sluggish second half devoid of creativity.

My issue with Fenton is that Waine goes out to the right hand side at the tail end of lasts nights game and whips in a number of crosses. Why don't our fullbacks have the skillset to be able to do the same thing?



In hindsight maybe bring on Laws for Fenton and shift Payne to RB for better delivery. Instead of Lokoli-Ngoy brought on at LW keep Sutton on but bring on McGarry for Ball. Maybe Rufer for Devlin to speed up ball movement and switches to the flank. 


I was surprised not to see Rufer come on as he is usually pretty effective with those weighted balls into the area, not really something devlin will give you
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almost 5 years ago
Classy of Uffie not to engage, but perhaps someone needs to make a comment because otherwise Rudan records how the game was. 

The highlights don't include the challenges from Uskok or Durante or Imai raking along Lewis achilles. They don't include Diamante's boorish behaviour.

Rudan creates a bunker mentality in his teams. 

But yeh just saying nothing, no retaliation and beating them would be the most satisfying. 

Along with the fouls, dominating the ref and yapping at Uffie looks like a tactic, so we need to counter it some how. Ignoring and playing our game def. an option tho.


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