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Nix NZFC Reserves

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good to see some Fwit will be feeling real proud of how he managed to stick a spoke in the progress of New Zealand football. Congratulations that small minded prat.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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RedGed wrote:
The impact it will have on the First team will be major Giddyup.It works in every teams interest to have all players match conditioned each week.
Youth players,sidelined players and those returning from injury can have a good competitive workout, prior to first team duty... the more match conditioned every player is the easier they will slot in to first team positions if required.
We were probably lacking this with some benched players last season and it will be evident again this season if this isn't sorted.

Yeah true, I was taking the suck it up and deal with it path
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You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
April fools was 3 months ago. WTF
You know we belong together...

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Like to see the A.hole who objected to front up and explain why it is in the best interests of NZ  football to keep a youth development team out of the NZF comp.
 
This is typical of whats been going on in nZ football for years. Small minded self interested petty bureaucats undermining the development of the game.
 
it is hard enough already to move the game forward in this country without having it heldback by its own constituents.
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1. Any chance of getting details on why the decision wasn't unanimous and what reasons?
 
2. Any chance of YF or general foorball supporters writing to NZF to express "disappointment"? (Any chance this would be taken seriously by NZF?)
 
3. The Phoenix has probably done more to raise the profile of football in this country since the 82 All Whites (and did so without the need to wear very small shorts a la the AWs).  A development team would only have enhanced that by giving the Phoenix some depth.
 
4. At the confederations cup which club had the most represented players?  Surely a development team would also serve in the interests of development of the national side as well.
 
5.  Maybe need to re-word the "We are the Phoenix"song to "One Club of NZ", "It takes nine of you and NZF to take us on" 
 
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How ironic that the first time the NZFC franchises act together on something it is the completely wrong decision.  I hope they give a justification, but ultimately it is their perogative what happens in their league.
 
Maybe the Phoenix reserves should really short shorts then they might let them play

Normo's coming home

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giddyup wrote:
Oh well so we wait another year [...] 


Just like we did last season?


Thank you, NZFC, for another off-season of false hope
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Utter Bollocks
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From Newstalk ZB news this morning...
 

The New Zealand Football Championship clubs believe they would be putting their league at risk if they allowed the Wellington Phoenix to enter a reserve team this season.

After months of lobbying, the Phoenix's request for a reserve team has been shot down by the clubs, who appear fearful of what impact a professional team joining their amateur league would have.

NZFC spokesman and Team Wellington chairman John Dow they don't want to risk the League's amateur status, and the access to grant money that comes with it.

But Dow says they're not putting their own interests ahead of what's best for football in New Zealand.

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liverpoolfan1 wrote:
From Newstalk ZB news this morning...
 

The New Zealand Football Championship clubs believe they would be putting their league at risk if they allowed the Wellington Phoenix to enter a reserve team this season.

After months of lobbying, the Phoenix's request for a reserve team has been shot down by the clubs, who appear fearful of what impact a professional team joining their amateur league would have.

NZFC spokesman and Team Wellington chairman John Dow they don't want to risk the League's amateur status, and the access to grant money that comes with it.

But Dow says they're not putting their own interests ahead of what's best for football in New Zealand.



If that�s true then what a bunch of small minded backward hypocrites the NZFC franchises are. Bullsh*t they are not putting their own interests ahead of NZ football, amateur administrators at their very best, what a joke they are.

I take it then that no NZFC franchise pays any money to any of their players? John Dow over to you to answer this (but I doubt it will be answered).

Sorry for the rant but football will never progress in NZ if this is the attitude from those at the top. There is always a way around things i.e. how about all games against the Phoenix reserves being classed as friendlys no problems there. NZFC teams get extra games, we get match practice and there will be more interest.
Teza2009-06-24 09:02:22
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Teza wrote:

I take it then that no NZFC franchise pays any money to any of their players?


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el grapadura wrote:
Teza wrote:

I take it then that no NZFC franchise pays any money to any of their players?





You laugh? Your not intimating that NZFC franchises pay some of their players money in an "amateur" league are you? Why that may put the funding of the entire league at risk, quick lets call John Dow
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I should have thought of it sooner...

The solution's right in front of us.
Our already overworked, flat-out Phoenix marketing dept.. not only need to lock down key Phoenix sponsorship in the next few days but also find NZ Football a sponsor with deep pockets willing to stick in there for the long haul and see the NZFC and  NZ Football up where it belongs.No need to rely on Trust Money any more..get it out in the open.

While they're at it, negotiate the tv coverage and broadcast rights, packaged in one helluva marketing blitz the sponsor/s will love,take care of all merchandising rights and distribution then ...have some lunch.

Afterwards... business lunches take time..negotiate suitable floor space in Wellington Phoenix Towers, off Victoria St Wellington for NZFootball to move into...I'm sure Terry will accomodate them...
So He and Tony can keep an eye on them!

All in a days work really!
RedGed2009-06-24 09:45:10

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
article link on front page is farked News
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tuned into Radio Sport at 10.15am when I read HN's heads up about Tony P.
Just missed his I/V (I think).
 
Maybe someone can keep an eye on RS and give us a link when they put it up.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would have if I'd known where the article was from.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tony P on at 10.30...so shortly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
On now!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmmm. Not sure we learned anything new or encouraging from Tony. Not his fault. 
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From Newstalk ZB news...
 

The Phoenix football franchise is disappointed the New Zealand Football Championship clubs are blocking their bid to enter a Phoenix reserve team in their competition.

The NZFC clubs fear such a move might compromise their amateur status and access to grant money, but the Phoenix CEO thinks that is a non issue.

Tony Pignata believes their club's reserve side playing in the National championship would bring obvious benefits for the game in the country.

Pignata believes NZ football should be grateful for the role the Phoenix play in preparing All Whites for international play, and the flow on financial benefits that playing in tournaments like the Confederations Cup bring football here.

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We prepare (some) All Whites by having them on the bench.......
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Royal wrote:
We prepare (some) All Whites by having them on the bench.......


and we develop our young talent by having them in the stands......
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Still no reserves for Phoenix 6/24/2009 2:00 PM

The New Zealand Football Championship sides continue not to allow the Phoenix to enter a reserve team in their league The Phoenix have still got the "situation vacant" sign up for their reserve team. The New Zealand Football

Championship sides have prevented the Phoenix entering a reserve team in their league to date. Phoenix CEO Tony Pignata says the club's excuse that playing a reserve side might compromise their amateur status irritates him. He says the move would benefit football in New Zealand as well as the individual clubs. He says the games would have been televised and they could have used them as curtain-raisers to A-league fixtures. Pignata says he will now sound out Football Australia in the hope of playing a reserve team in its domestic competition - otherwise the team could be forced to have a knock around at the local park.

Sauce - Radio Sport

Another NZ team to get shipped off overseas...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There are obviously some very narrow minded head in the sand types in New Zealand football circles, who are doing the sport a major dis-service by being there.
 
Apologies for repeating the obvious but feel the need to post!
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TheKop wrote:
Still no reserves for Phoenix 6/24/2009 2:00 PM

The New Zealand Football Championship sides continue not to allow the Phoenix to enter a reserve team in their league The Phoenix have still got the "situation vacant" sign up for their reserve team. The New Zealand Football

Championship sides have prevented the Phoenix entering a reserve team in their league to date. Phoenix CEO Tony Pignata says the club's excuse that playing a reserve side might compromise their amateur status irritates him. He says the move would benefit football in New Zealand as well as the individual clubs. He says the games would have been televised and they could have used them as curtain-raisers to A-league fixtures. Pignata says he will now sound out Football Australia in the hope of playing a reserve team in its domestic competition - otherwise the team could be forced to have a knock around at the local park.

Sauce - Radio Sport

Another NZ team to get shipped off overseas...


I'm keen for Sundays
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

God this hole thing is frustrating!! Regardless of this horse sh*t, well done Tony!! you were obviously pushing very hard for this, im sure all of yellow fever appreciate your efforts!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Some of the people in NZ Football seriously need to be shot.  I hate it how our sport is continually being held back.  Opportunity after opportunity presents itself and some knob smothers it.


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loyalgunner wrote:
Some of the people in NZ Football seriously need to be shot.  I hate it how our sport is continually being held back.  Opportunity after opportunity presents itself and some knobs smother it.




Fair Dinkum - more knobs than Buckingham Palace I reckon.

E + R + O

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liverpoolfan1 wrote:
From Newstalk ZB news...
 

Pignata believes NZ football should be grateful for the role the Phoenix play in preparing All Whites for international play, and the flow on financial benefits that playing in tournaments like the Confederations Cup bring football here.

Did he really say that? Thats just arrogant BS.
They have made the Conferation Cup, way before the Phoenix existed. Dosent he think that some of the New Zealanders in the Phoenix team would be playing at other A League teams if the Phoenix werent around just like they used to in the old NSL?

A dog with a bone :)

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I think we're being a little harsh here.
 
If the NZFC franshises GENUINELY nelieve that admitting the Phoenix will affect the amateur status of the league (and it is classed an amateur league by FIFA, even though some people get paid) then that is an important consideration, for example you can't get a college scholarship in the states if you've played in a professional league, and there is the gaming trust funding issue.
 
It may just be a convenient excuse, but I think we need to examine the facts before going about short sighted decisions.  In fact, this might be a very wise decision.  It would be nice to have some actual comment from the franchises, NZF or even the gaming trusts themselves.
 
 

Normo's coming home

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You would think such an issue could be cleared up fairly quickly with a simple phone call/fax/email to the FIFA powers that be. So it's either a case of bureaucratic inefficiency or a smokescreen hiding the jealousy and insecurity of one or more of the clubs. Neither of which would surprise me in the slightest.
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nightz wrote:
liverpoolfan1 wrote:
From Newstalk ZB news...
 

Pignata believes NZ football should be grateful for the role the Phoenix play in preparing All Whites for international play, and the flow on financial benefits that playing in tournaments like the Confederations Cup bring football here.

Did he really say that? Thats just arrogant BS.
They have made the Conferation Cup, way before the Phoenix existed. Dosent he think that some of the New Zealanders in the Phoenix team would be playing at other A League teams if the Phoenix werent around just like they used to in the old NSL?


In a word, no. NZers count as import spots. Smeltz, Lochhead, Siggy etc  would never have got a contract with another A-League club.
valeo2009-06-24 21:19:17

a.haak

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james dean wrote:
I think we're being a little harsh here.
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If the NZFC franshises GENUINELY nelieve that admitting the Phoenix will affect the amateur status of the league (and it is classed an amateur league by FIFA, even though some people get paid) then that is an important�consideration, for example you can't get a college scholarship in the states if you've played in a professional league, and there is the gaming trust funding issue.

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It may just be a convenient excuse, but I think we need to examine the facts before going about short sighted decisions.� In fact, this might be a very wise decision.� It would be nice to have some actual comment from the franchises, NZF or even the gaming trusts themselves.

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The problem, however, is that this isn't an idea cooked up two days ago. The first time I heard Tony P moot this was in October last year - if this was a genuine concern for NZFC sides, surely it is something that could have been clarified, or at least raised as the potential issue, much earlier.
But the whole back-handed nature of the announcement, with seemingly Phoenix not even being told of the decision before it was released to the press, leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.
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Ultimately, I guess all we want to hear is a bit from those involved

Normo's coming home

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I'm amazed at the total lack of leadership from NZF. Who is in charge there? Why were'nt these issue worked through at senior NZF level? This is not a new development. If there had of been concerns regarding amatuer status then it should have been sorted out months ago.
 
It really does look like some of the clubs had it in for the youth team proposal right from the begining and they were just looking for an excuse. I would really like to know which CEO's objected.
 
This could have been made to work if everyone wanted to.....Tony P said they would not have poached youngsters from NZF sides. Now a hand full of kiwi youngsters will miss out on on an opportunity to train and play in a semifulltime professional basis.
 
I am disgusted.....SCREW YOU NZF!!!!!
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