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Nix Team? v QLD

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man_utd_fan wrote:
just keep the same team as against Perth.
what type of sponser is the coffee club. i bet they supply great prizes. lol


Kinda appropriate for a bunch of mugs...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scoop wrote:
they needa drop elrich. hes rubbish. how many times does he give the early cross in only to have it bloked by the first defender. its as though he has given up on even tryiing to beat his man. 
 
agreed
 
he has no variation in his play whatsoever
 
at least TRY and beat the defender
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So what's the story with Aloisi is he fit?

3-5-2, Daniel replaces Elrich, Filipe still behind Smeltz and Covz.
Old ahead of Christie

But Ricki will not bench his marquee player so Elrich will be starting at right mid
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
how about we have
 
            Moss
 
Moss Moss  Moss Moss
 
MossMoss  Moss Moss
 
         Moss Moss 
 
We do this by making Genetic clones that once born grow to catch up with the phyical and mental apperance of Moss.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
its a along shot, but its got potential, we could clone smeltz for our strikers andthen clone costa and excelerate his growth giving him 10 years a-legue experience and make them our mids.. could be sweeeet
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we are strong in the midfield, it will be a great scrap with Queensland's very strong midfield.  They are probably more effective from out wide than us though, with or without Zullo.
 
Marquee player, anyone....??
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Scottishbhoy wrote:
how about we have
 
            Moss
 
Moss Moss  Moss Moss
 
MossMoss  Moss Moss
 
         Moss Moss 
 
We do this by making Genetic clones that once born grow to catch up with the phyical and mental apperance of Moss.
 
So I want to be banned's dumped, is he? God, you're heartless.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think it's great how hard it is to select 'the best' team.  Mostly it's because of our packed midfield and I hope Ricki does something about this next season, we need to transfer out a couple of midfielders for some more backs.  Considering both Christie and Lochhead are actually midfielders we only have 4 backs, it hardly gives us many options in terms of formation.
 
Speaking of Christie in midfield, I wish he was given more of a chance there.  He looked great when he came on centrally against the Galaxy and I think his support and distribution when he's got plenty of options at centre mid, brings a lot to the team (much the same as Ferrante).
 
The 3-5-2 has been working relatively well recently so I think we should stick with that, especially without a genuine RB required for the 4-4-2.
 
Stoked Coveny finally started up front with Smeltz, something I have been hoping and calling for for months!
 
I think Daniel has been a little less dangerous lately and he just looks like a dick with all his stepovers.  He'll be good from the bench again, while Filipe is always threatening. 
Elrich's quality is there for all to see, and we can't expect miracles from one man.  He is no doubt playing to a game plan, and could be helped with better support and accuracy when delivering him the ball.
 
This is my team for Friday:
               Moss
      Rees Dodd Old
        Johnson/Brown
Elrich      Aloisi  Lochhead
                Filipe
         Smeltz Coveny 
 
Bench: Paston, Christie, Johnson/Brown, Daniel
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

pao1908 wrote:
If we are strong in the midfield, it will be a great scrap with Queensland's very strong midfield.


I think it'd be great to have Aloisi, Brown, and Johnson all playing at the same time as defensive mids. I had that on my starting lineup which i posted a wee bit back.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
how about we have
 
            Moss
 
Moss Moss  Moss Moss
 
MossMoss  Moss Moss
 
         Moss Moss 
 
We do this by making Genetic clones that once born grow to catch up with the phyical and mental apperance of Moss.
 
So I want to be banned's dumped, is he? God, you're heartless.


fo' rizzle
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:

pao1908 wrote:
If we are strong in the midfield, it will be a great scrap with Queensland's very strong midfield.


I think it'd be great to have Aloisi, Brown, and Johnson all playing at the same time as defensive mids. I had that on my starting lineup which i posted a wee bit back.
 
The only problem with that being you lose a bit of balance.  Aloisi has been attacking a bit more lately which has been awesome but I think having Johnson and Brown there with Aloisi means we lose a bit of punch.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and Lia provided a lot of that punch the last couple of weeks, and I see not many are picking him.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nah keep it as it was just bring costa to the bench
or maybe start him striking midfieldr
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:
and Lia provided a lot of that punch the last couple of weeks, and I see not many are picking him.
 
Yeah, fair enough, just a case of getting Aloisi back I guess, who plays a similar role to Lia, with a bit more experience.  He's (Aloisi) probably injured anyway is he?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
-------------------------------------------------Moss------------------------------------------------------

---------------Rees---------------------------Dodd-----------------------------Old----------------------

--------------Ferrante-------------------------Brown--------------------------Lochhead---------------

-------------------------Felipe-----------------------------------------Daniel------------------------------

--------------------------Coveny-----------------------------------Smeltz-----------------------------------

Subs:(any 4 of)
 Paston
Elrich (needs to be benched and encouraged to take on a man!)
Aloisi (doesnt offer as much as brown)
Lia (gets isolated too often)
Johnno (class but yeah)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man_utd_fan wrote:
just keep the same team as against Perth.
what type of sponser is the coffee club. i bet they supply great prizes. lol
 
I wonder if their water bottles have been replaced with Latte's??
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cosimo wrote:
StopOut wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
how about we have
 
            Moss
 
Moss Moss  Moss Moss
 
MossMoss  Moss Moss
 
         Moss Moss 
 
We do this by making Genetic clones that once born grow to catch up with the phyical and mental apperance of Moss.
 
So I want to be banned's dumped, is he? God, you're heartless.


fo' rizzle
 
Would that mean Moss os MOTM yet again??
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How can you not have Lia Xcellent?

Rumour has it that if Ricki plays two upfront - you won't see Daniel and Felipe starting together...

Also, I think Johnson is the best holding midfielder we have - as much as I like Brownie. Aloisi has also looked much better when he has had the license to push forward (with Johno holding the midfield)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Much the same why I don't I guess.  15 doesn't go into 11 and as you've mentioned Aloisi has been getting forward well and either Johnson or Brown should play the defensive role with Lochhead out wide and Filipe attacking.  So i guess the only possible possy is for Elrich who i'd be surprised if Ricki dropped.
I don't necessarily agree (if it's true) that Daniel and Filipe shouldn't play together with two up front but definitely only 2 of Filipe, Elrich and Daniel in that case.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cnut wrote:
How can you not have Lia Xcellent?

Rumour has it that if Ricki plays two upfront - you won't see Daniel and Felipe starting together...

Also, I think Johnson is the best holding midfielder we have - as much as I like Brownie. Aloisi has also looked much better when he has had the license to push forward (with Johno holding the midfield)
 
I'm not sold on Lia either. I really like the guy's commitment, and he has done some good things in the last few weeks, ie, his goal and the cross for Smeltz to score, but he's too loose on the ball and gets dispossessed far too much. I think it's a concentration thing. In the dying seconds against Sydney he lost concentration under no pressure, coughed up the ball and left the defence under so much pressure that a penalty resulted.
 
I'm not saying midfielders should never lose possession but you need someone there who knows how to play smart at the right time, to do the level-headed things, the safe, boring things. Lia hasn't shown that yet, whereas Brown has - Johnson too.
 
 
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
Cnut wrote:
How can you not have Lia Xcellent? Rumour has it that if Ricki plays two upfront - you won't see Daniel and Felipe starting together... Also, I think Johnson is the best holding midfielder we have - as much as I like Brownie. Aloisi has also looked much better when he has had the license to push forward (with Johno holding the midfield)

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I'm not sold on Lia either. I really like the guy's commitment, and he has done some good things in the last few weeks, ie, his goal and the cross for Smeltz to score, but he's too loose on the ball and gets dispossessed far too much. I think it's a concentration thing. In the dying seconds against Sydney he lost concentration under no pressure, coughed up the ball and left the defence under so much pressure that a penalty resulted.

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I'm not saying midfielders should never lose possession but you need someone there who knows how to play smart at the right time, to do the level-headed things, the safe, boring things. Lia hasn't shown that yet, whereas Brown has - Johnson too.

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If you play two of Brown, Aloisi or Johnson you end up having no-one who can pass forward. It's fine to keep the ball but at some point you need penetration and that's what Lia provides. He's been quality in recent weeks (mistake against Sydney aside). I can't believe he isn't being picked. I think he's been in the running for mom in the last few, he's a firt name on the sheet for me, and Ricki's always picked him when fit.

Normo's coming home

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't agree in the case of Aloisi.  Johnson and Brown sure, but not Aloisi.  He adds plenty of penetration and has also been picked whenever fit (strange seeing as he's the captain...)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well, assuming we'll continue to play 3 at the back I'm all for Xcellent's midfield above. That gives you Lochhead wide, Daniel and Felipe - plenty of penetration there. The two Brazilians combine well together (at least, it's bloody entertaining to watch!) and I think Ferrante's distibution is fine. Elrich off the bench: he'll be smarting and want to show a trick or two.

Course, it's all subjective. I don't dislike Lia, just want more of a safety cushion to protect our weak defence.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
energy24.7 wrote:
I don't agree in the case of Aloisi.� Johnson and Brown sure, but not Aloisi.� He adds plenty of penetration and has also been picked whenever fit (strange seeing as he's the captain...)


Aloisi has only been a passing force in one game, Sydney away. Apart from that he's had good matches and popped up to score goals, but penetrating, completely disagree.

Normo's coming home

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:

Well, assuming we'll continue to play 3 at the back I'm all for Xcellent's midfield above. That gives you Lochhead wide, Daniel and Felipe - plenty of penetration there. The two Brazilians combine well together (at least, it's bloody entertaining to watch!) and I think Ferrante's distibution is fine. Elrich off the bench: he'll be smarting and want to show a trick or two.


Course, it's all subjective. I don't dislike Lia, just want more of a safety cushion to protect our weak defence.



Playing both Daniel and Felipe in midfield won't protect the defence though. And if you push Ferrante wide then he loses his affect, all his best play has come in the centre plus you lose any delivery from that side.

Normo's coming home

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
energy24.7 wrote:
I don't agree in the case of Aloisi.  Johnson and Brown sure, but not Aloisi.  He adds plenty of penetration and has also been picked whenever fit (strange seeing as he's the captain...)


Aloisi has only been a passing force in one game, Sydney away. Apart from that he's had good matches and popped up to score goals, but penetrating, completely disagree.
 
And you're allowed to.  I just think Aloisi complements the combination well.  Lochhead, Elrich and Filipe all offer plenty of penetration around a solid, keen, attacking Aloisi.  Oh and did I mention he's the captain...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
StopOut wrote:

Well, assuming we'll continue to play 3 at the back I'm all for Xcellent's midfield above. That gives you Lochhead wide, Daniel and Felipe - plenty of penetration there. The two Brazilians combine well together (at least, it's bloody entertaining to watch!) and I think Ferrante's distibution is fine. Elrich off the bench: he'll be smarting and want to show a trick or two.


Course, it's all subjective. I don't dislike Lia, just want more of a safety cushion to protect our weak defence.



Playing both Daniel and Felipe in midfield won't protect the defence though. And if you push Ferrante wide then he loses his affect, all his best play has come in the centre plus you lose any delivery from that side.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with having Daniel and Filipe in the midfield together, depending on the others of course (as I've mentioned).  You don't need every midfielder protecting the defense and it's not as if they just sit on half way.  They do their share of pressuring.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel's shown a lot of willingness to track back and defend from what I've seen, perhaps because he is basically a converted defender anyway. Lochhead's there as protection, and Brown. As for Ferrante, he doesn't lose anything to Lia defensively, and even if he is pushed wider he can hardly do any worse than Elrich at the moment.
 
Aloisi had a terrific game against Adelaide, yet overall he hasn't impressed me, captain or not. Maybe it's his age or injury but he seems to lumber round the park. 
 
 
StopOut2007-12-12 00:55:21
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Lol @ putting Lochhead as a defensive midfielder and  dropping Lia + putting Elrich on the left + Felipe in the middle. That team would get torn apart.

Crack is whack, son.

Should be the same team as last week but Elrich on the bench and Aloisi/Johnson/Brown in the starting line up. Either of those 3 can take Ferrante's spot and he can take Elrich's.


 
Now come on puppy, team for disscussion not set in stone
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:

Well, assuming we'll continue to play 3 at the back I'm all for Xcellent's midfield above. That gives you Lochhead wide, Daniel and Felipe - plenty of penetration there. The two Brazilians combine well together (at least, it's bloody entertaining to watch!) and I think Ferrante's distibution is fine. Elrich off the bench: he'll be smarting and want to show a trick or two.

Taking players on and knocking over dangerous crosses is a good trick to try!!!!
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree Lochhead is worth another go wide in the middle, as an attacking option, with the defensive ability and positioning sense he has. Ferrante's distribution from the middle is usually very good, and we should make best possible use of it - just don't let him get a sight of goal!! I'd just like to see the high workrate and commitment that Lia and Johnson show each week.
 
Smeltz and Coveny up front. I hope we don't play a single striker again.
 
A 3-man defence means we get away from the tendency to defend deep. I think it's working well, so long as it's organised and well-marshalled. Dodd and Rees are both very capable in that regard.
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We've absolutely got to get at Queensland from the off and stop their midfield from spraying the ball around.  Possibly Brown or Daniel for Elrich but I would keep much the same team. 
 
It would seem Aloisi probably won't be here next year so let's start building for next season now and leave him out. 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What about we keep Ross but not make him (playing) captain?

Then we get the other Aloisi over!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Xcellent wrote:
-------------------------------------------------Moss------------------------------------------------------

---------------Rees---------------------------Dodd-----------------------------Old----------------------

--------------Ferrante-------------------------Brown--------------------------Lochhead---------------

-------------------------Felipe-----------------------------------------Daniel------------------------------

--------------------------Coveny-----------------------------------Smeltz-----------------------------------Subs:(any 4 of)�PastonElrich (needs to be benched and encouraged to take on a man!)Aloisi (doesnt offer as much as brown)Lia (gets isolated too often)Johnno (class but yeah)


That, my friend, is a good team.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I am curious to see how Elrich would go on the left.  Playing on his wrong side would allow him the opportunity to cut in and shoot (remember that the goal he scored occurred when he was moving from left to right). 

Ideally this would work best with four at the back and Lochhead overlapping for the cross, however we have a lot more strength in midfield than at the back, so it is hard to justify only playing three of Felipe, Daniel, Lia, Ferrante, Aloisi, Brown and Johnson.

Smeltz is not quick enough to play as a lone striker, so we need two up front if we expect to score any goals.


Here is one way of fitting Elrich on the left.
-----------Moss-------------

---Rees---Dodd---Lochhead---

----------Johnson-----------

Daniel---Ferrante---Lia---Elrich

---------Smeltz---Coveny---
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sigh, u cant play lochhead in a back 3... we've gone over this bro.. slotting him in there cause u cant put him in left mid is not the answer.. he looks lost there.. just because hes a defender by trade does not mean he can suddenly because 1 of 3 centre backs.. its a completely differetn position to locheads norm and thus his position is solidifiyed in left mid when 3-5-2 is played.. therefore ur only way of putting elrich on left is inside left mid, which is much more sensible for your cut inside shooting cause he'll be more centre and he'll be able to have more freedom to move around the park.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lochhead does Ok at the back, he is as good as any of our other options.  If you prefer Old/Christie/O'Dor in that position then I don't have a problem with any of those players.

The problem with putting Elrich in as an inside left is that he has speed rather than endurance, so you would need someone else to take up some of his workload, which would leave us with three guys on that side and short elsewhere.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bones wrote:
I am curious to see how Elrich would go on the left.  Playing on his wrong side would allow him the opportunity to cut in and shoot (remember that the goal he scored occurred when he was moving from left to right). 


 
Worst idea EVER

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
              Moss
 
Rees      Dodd     Lochead
 
              Brown
 
      Ferrante    Lia
 
  Felipe                 Daniel
               
       Coveny     Smeltz
 
 
Subs: Paston, Christie, Johnson, Elrich
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Bones wrote:
I am curious to see how Elrich would go on the left.  Playing on his wrong side would allow him the opportunity to cut in and shoot (remember that the goal he scored occurred when he was moving from left to right). 


 
Worst idea EVER


Reasons?
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