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Do we have anyone in the academy or know anyone who we could sign to replace Libby with if he leaves?

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Do we have anyone in the academy or know anyone who we could sign to replace Libby with if he leaves?

Doyle

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Maybe why we're looking at 19 year old left-backs from Perth.

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19 LB from Perth vs an HAL veteran under contract in Doyle....

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Jeff Vader wrote:

19 LB from Perth vs an HAL veteran under contract in Doyle....

Doyle, not under contract
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Honestly, Cacace should go now to an Italian or Dutch club where he can have the realistic aim of being a first team regular after the requisite settling in period

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ballane wrote:

valeo wrote:

Love the optimism. At least we've already locked in the best two.

They might be but if a decent offer was made for either of them the Phoenix would be fools if they didnt consider it.Much better to get something while you can rather than just have their contracts run out.

I think people are overestimating how much attention is paid to lesser nations players at U20 tournaments.

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djtim3000 wrote:

Friar Tuck wrote:

kwlap wrote:

Jai Ingham has been release by Victory. Any takers?

Maybe if he'll pay to play, capital football style?

Wasn't Andrew Nabbout released by the Victory after being underwhelming? He turned out alright.

Nabbout always had *something* about him; Jai Ingham never has.

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valeo wrote:

ballane wrote:

valeo wrote:

Love the optimism. At least we've already locked in the best two.

They might be but if a decent offer was made for either of them the Phoenix would be fools if they didnt consider it.Much better to get something while you can rather than just have their contracts run out.

I think people are overestimating how much attention is paid to lesser nations players at U20 tournaments.

Could also say some people are underestimating how much attention is paid to players from lesser nations. From a lesser nation they may be but they have had 2 pretty impressive wins without conceding. . Pretty sure that would have drawn some attention from some people who may not have looked before
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With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

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Jaickin wrote:

With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

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Has Williams committed to us yet?

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Nope.

I'm not too fussed with Williams; him re-signing would be good for a bit of continuity though.

I think he had a Brockie-esque season which he will struggle to replicate - lots of first time wonder goals.

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valeo wrote:

Nope.

I'm not too fussed with Williams; him re-signing would be good for a bit of continuity though.

I think he had a Brockie-esque season which he will struggle to replicate - lots of first time wonder goals.

...I am happy to wait till his first game against us before you are proven right...

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Yeah I agree Williams by his record seems to be a streaky striker. With a whole new team and coach could be a completely diff player would still take him but def not as our main ST

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We aren't really in a position to be turning down players at the moment... I bet most clubs in the league will be chasing Williams to fill various roles in their squad. We'd be foolish to not lead the charge

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I'd rather keep Sheridan as a "main" striker than Williams... Willo won't lead an attack, and Uffy saw that first hand at NQF; but he can play off someone who does. Sheridan demonstrated (albeit fleetingly) some pace, a decent touch, and an ability to read the game - more so than most of his team mates it seemed. With a decent pre-season and some confidence he'd have been more than capable of 10+ goals a season plus a decent number of assists... not that it matters as goneski lol.

I'd be happy for Williams to stay but not at a huge cost... if Western Judas United or whoever else want to pay overs for him then I'd rather we gave a young bloke a go.

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over 6 years

The Sheriff is already gone. Sorry mate. 

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Surge wrote:

Willo won't lead an attack

I mean...

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I actually like the idea of Williams running off Sheridan... yes he has gone, but he hasn't signed elsewhere and now with Krishna gone, Ufuk might be rethinking his plans.

LG
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Jaickin wrote:

With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

$5,000,000 USD each. Before you all jump on me, these two are now experienced players and still young as. On the International market such talent - and these two are talented - goes for a lot more than that. I've probably even under valued them at those two prices.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

$5,000,000 USD each. Before you all jump on me, these two are now experienced players and still young as. On the International market such talent - and these two are talented - goes for a lot more than that. I've probably even under valued them at those two prices.

If dome holds out for that they will have long careers here. This is starting to get like 2010 when after 3 draws half the all whites including ricki were going to be in big demand. I still chuckle at one news item about paston maybe a good fit for arsenal...needless to say almunia was still there for a couple of more years. If one of them gets a gig In Europe I'll be rapt. 

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

$5,000,000 USD each. Before you all jump on me, these two are now experienced players and still young as. On the International market such talent - and these two are talented - goes for a lot more than that. I've probably even under valued them at those two prices.

sorry LG but I am gonna jump on ya for this one. They have one year left on their contracts, and they're players in the a league. I absolutely rate both very highly and believe they can make it in the big leagues one day but $5m is a huge amount. I don't think anyone in the a league has been sold for more than $1.5m. I'd be over the moon if we sold them even for $1-2m. 
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Lonegunmen wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

$5,000,000 USD each. Before you all jump on me, these two are now experienced players and still young as. On the International market such talent - and these two are talented - goes for a lot more than that. I've probably even under valued them at those two prices.

sorry LG but I am gonna jump on ya for this one. They have one year left on their contracts, and they're players in the a league. I absolutely rate both very highly and believe they can make it in the big leagues one day but $5m is a huge amount. I don't think anyone in the a league has been sold for more than $1.5m. I'd be over the moon if we sold them even for $1-2m. 

I feel like if they really perform in the latter stages of the U20 wouldn't be surprised if some top Europe teams decide to chuck money at them and maybe we'd be able to get upwards of a few mil sinces thats like nothing for most PL clubs now

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After Burns' Johnny Warren medal season, wasn't there a 1m offer on the table for him, he would have been 27-28? Just to give some context 

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There is a lot of pressure on clubs to make purchases based on these big tournaments, to be seen as getting the new star etc.

I think realistically, anything over a million with a decent sell on clause is good value - what will determine it more than anything is how many clubs make inquiries. If it's just one or two, there isn't much room to manoeuvre, but if 7 or 8 start calling, then the NIX will be able to drive a harder bargain.

I fully expect both Singh and Cacace to go after this tournament. I thought that before the tournament started and having seen the way they have dominated, I can't see it not happening.

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

There is a lot of pressure on clubs to make purchases based on these big tournaments, to be seen as getting the new star etc.

I think realistically, anything over a million with a decent sell on clause is good value - what will determine it more than anything is how many clubs make inquiries. If it's just one or two, there isn't much room to manoeuvre, but if 7 or 8 start calling, then the NIX will be able to drive a harder bargain.

I fully expect both Singh and Cacace to go after this tournament. I thought that before the tournament started and having seen the way they have dominated, I can't see it not happening.

So the Nix could soon be down to 5 signed players? Imagine the angst that will cause only 5 months out from season start!

Actually it would be less than ideal, losing the clubs two most promising exciting players together.

I reckon Cacace could generate the bigger offer. As others say quality left backs are scarce, and any club doing their research from the just completed A League season would find out that he rarely has a bad game now. Pretty damn consistent and still young.

Singh not so consistent.

A lot will depend on remaining U20 tourney games. Two matches to date is a small sample to judge a player.

Maybe Nix cash in on Cacace, but don't sell Singh unless it's an equally good offer, esp in light of Burgess having gone.

Then Talay seeks a replacement LB. Deklan Wynne (if Rapids look to have a post season cleanout), and the kid from Perth maybe.

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As we say in Polish, this really sounds like two bald men fighting over a haircomb.  We have not sold these two to EPL yet.

Yes they are decent young players but we are biased because we are used to our teams not performing that well.  So we had two good games and played well.  I was especially impressed by the Norway game (more than the high-scoring opener against Honduras).

However, having said that, there are other teams in this U20 comp with really good young players who may already be in slightly more visible leagues than HAL.  So any interest in our players will depend on how far our U20 team gets in this tournament.

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Agreed; clubs are not going to be lining up for them - perhaps Dutch or Bundesliga.2 clubs, who don't have that much $$

Our U20's have been amazing; but let's get some perspective - we didn't thrash France. Very interested to see how they go v Uruguay, the toughest in the group.

Phoenix Academy
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over 6 years

How would people feel about trying to squeeze one more season out of Alex Brosque? I know we love to hate him, but if we put him in a Nix shirt? I presume he and Talay get on well... 

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about 17 years

OzNix wrote:

How would people feel about trying to squeeze one more season out of Alex Brosque? I know we love to hate him, but if we put him in a Nix shirt? I presume he and Talay get on well... 

I think the refs would let him get away with a whole lot less if he was in a Nix shirt rather than a Sydney one.

LG
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Lonegunmen wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

With all the talks of Singh and Cacace drawing international attention from the U20 World Cup. In the club's current position, what do you think the minimum transfer fee they would accept for each player? 

$5,000,000 USD each. Before you all jump on me, these two are now experienced players and still young as. On the International market such talent - and these two are talented - goes for a lot more than that. I've probably even under valued them at those two prices.

sorry LG but I am gonna jump on ya for this one. They have one year left on their contracts, and they're players in the a league. I absolutely rate both very highly and believe they can make it in the big leagues one day but $5m is a huge amount. I don't think anyone in the a league has been sold for more than $1.5m. I'd be over the moon if we sold them even for $1-2m. 

Dont think of it from a kiwi perspective. You know the major European clubs will have scouts galore there. The bigger ones would see it as a bargain long term investments should these two continue to shine at a high level.

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OzNix wrote:

How would people feel about trying to squeeze one more season out of Alex Brosque? I know we love to hate him, but if we put him in a Nix shirt? I presume he and Talay get on well... 

And ask him the secret of one club players...

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I'd take Brosque. He's a seasoned performer. At this rate we'll be struggling to find much better.

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Friar Tuck wrote:

Surge wrote:

Willo won't lead an attack

I mean...

Three goals in one HAL match vs 37 goals in his other 176 matches. The exception proves the rule then. Righto.
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Might be a little late on this, but Shabab Hossain on twiter posted this graph of expected goals and expected assists in the A-League this season. Interesting to see Sheridan above Willio in both categories - implies to me that Sheridan just got unlucky and he would have done a lot better had we kept him on. 

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Dunno where else to put this but given we are having the discussion of whether or not Williams could keep up this season's performance, I think it's important to note he had the 7th best goalscoring season of all time for a nix player. Pretty impressive considering he was coming off the bench early on in the season, plus it was done in season when Krishna had a club-best year. Interesting too that there has only been 7 nix players to reach double figures:

  1. Roy Krishna - 19 goals, 2018/19
  2. Jeremy Brockie - 16 goals, 2012/13
  3. Paul Ifill - 13 goals, 2009/10
  4. Nathan Burns - 13 goals, 2014/15
  5. Roy Krishna - 12 goals, 2016/17
  6. Shane Smeltz - 12 goals, 2008/09
  7. David Williams - 11 goals, 2018/19
  8. Stein Huysegems - 10 goals, 2013/14
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crazy that he was just one behind smeltz

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Smeltz did it in a 21-game season though.

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