He has a year left on his contract - so Bayern will have to pay or agree to something.
My guess, $1million, plus a portion of his next transfer fee or a additional payments based on apperances.
Can't see it being that much, they're basically getting a guy for their reserve team in the hope he can make the first team one day, don't think they'd be shelling out a seven-figure sum for basically a punt.
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
He has a year left on his contract - so Bayern will have to pay or agree to something.
My guess, $1million, plus a portion of his next transfer fee or a additional payments based on apperances.
Can't see it being that much, they're basically getting a guy for their reserve team in the hope he can make the first team one day, don't think they'd be shelling out a seven-figure sum for basically a punt.
Yeah I was thinking a couple of hundred thousand?
He has a year left on his contract - so Bayern will have to pay or agree to something.
My guess, $1million, plus a portion of his next transfer fee or a additional payments based on apperances.
Can't see it being that much, they're basically getting a guy for their reserve team in the hope he can make the first team one day, don't think they'd be shelling out a seven-figure sum for basically a punt.
He has a year left on his contract - so Bayern will have to pay or agree to something.
My guess, $1million, plus a portion of his next transfer fee or a additional payments based on apperances.
Can't see it being that much, they're basically getting a guy for their reserve team in the hope he can make the first team one day, don't think they'd be shelling out a seven-figure sum for basically a punt.
thats the key, $100k or something now, extra when he makes his 1st team debut, then once he's played certain number of games, if they are really smart they get a %age sell on clause in there so when Chelsea or someone buy him for $20million Nix get some of that............of course this is hoping it goes well and won't be another Rojas type situation where we see him back in the A-League after one season
Stoked for Singh - hope this works out well for him!
He has a year left on his contract - so Bayern will have to pay or agree to something.
My guess, $1million, plus a portion of his next transfer fee or a additional payments based on apperances.
Can't see it being that much, they're basically getting a guy for their reserve team in the hope he can make the first team one day, don't think they'd be shelling out a seven-figure sum for basically a punt.
thats the key, $100k or something now, extra when he makes his 1st team debut, then once he's played certain number of games, if they are really smart they get a %age sell on clause in there so when Chelsea or someone buy him for $20million Nix get some of that............of course this is hoping it goes well and won't be another Rojas type situation where we see him back in the A-League after one season
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
I agree. Being a selling club and creating opportunities for young NZers is the way forward for the Nix. Hopefully then the club can make some money to further invest in development.
Really now need some certainty around our future and for the A league to loosen up on transfer fees. And for the Nix to get more appropriate player contracts in place.
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
I agree. Being a selling club and creating opportunities for young NZers is the way forward for the Nix. Hopefully then the club can make some money to further invest in development.
Really now need some certainty around our future and for the A league to loosen up on transfer fees. And for the Nix to get more appropriate player contracts in place.
And coaches have to be required to give young players game time
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
I agree. Being a selling club and creating opportunities for young NZers is the way forward for the Nix. Hopefully then the club can make some money to further invest in development.
Really now need some certainty around our future and for the A league to loosen up on transfer fees. And for the Nix to get more appropriate player contracts in place.
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
I agree. Being a selling club and creating opportunities for young NZers is the way forward for the Nix. Hopefully then the club can make some money to further invest in development.
Really now need some certainty around our future and for the A league to loosen up on transfer fees. And for the Nix to get more appropriate player contracts in place.
And coaches have to be required to give young players game time
Yes I agree. For example if we do sign someone like McCowatt he needs to get regular starts and given the opportunity so he can adapt to this level. Look at Williams this year, didn't score for the first 8 or 9 games then banged in 11 goals, once he got the combinations worked out and his confidence up.
and Rudan was right- you got to enjoy it while you can.
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
The problem that I see is that that system works overseas for teams in non-salary-capped leagues, where transfer fees can buy you replacement players. Given we just got fined $1 million, a couple of hundred grand is absolutely nothing for losing one of our best players.
Stripped for parts.
Singh will go for more than 100k - he is a young player with huge potential... that Norway kid went for 9 million for example.
The club can't afford to lose a player of his potential, so I doubt they would say yes to crumbs... similar to Krishna and Colorado last year.
The club can't afford to lose a player of his potential, so I doubt they would say yes to crumbs...
I don't think they have the choice. If they say no to whatever Bayern offers, Singh's agents go to the (already Nix-sceptical) media with story of "WELLY NIX RUINS DREAMS OF YOUNG KIWI FOR MONEY". Krishna is a grown-up who couldn't get that much sympathy.
Big blow to our season unless we really get our import slots right, need somone like rojas to replace him
This is the system working. Bring players through the academy, give them first team football and then sell them on. Now there's a spot for the next academy prospect
The problem that I see is that that system works overseas for teams in non-salary-capped leagues, where transfer fees can buy you replacement players. Given we just got fined $1 million, a couple of hundred grand is absolutely nothing for losing one of our best players.
Stripped for parts.
Good players are always going to leave, there is no point standing in their way. What we want is to be a pathway for the best young kiwis, supplemented by quality Aussies and visa players. It's not so much about the money you generate, although that's going to help, it's about being a club that young kiwis want to play for and also believe can give them a pathway to Europe.
Let's say, for example, you are a young kiwi playing in the Swedish 4th division and you see a young kiwi who has been at the Phoenix being signed by Munich, wouldn't you be reconsidering your career choices?
Well this explains Uffie saying he's looking for another 10. Gutted because i was so excited to see him play an even bigger role again this season, but also delighted for him and great for NZ football. Between Singh, Thomas and Bell we look like we will have a seriously good midfield in future years
Singh will go for more than 100k - he is a young player with huge potential... that Norway kid went for 9 million for example.
The club can't afford to lose a player of his potential, so I doubt they would say yes to crumbs... similar to Krishna and Colorado last year.
It's Bayern who hold the position of power in this type of negotiation. Singh's not crucial to them - they're basically taking a punt. For the player, it's an opportunity of a lifetime. So if you're the Nix, you try to get the best deal you can knowing you're not in the position of power in the negotiation.
Like others have said, if the club can get $200-300k and a good sell-on clause, that's be a good result.
This keeps up and we wont have any chants left for next season.
The club can't afford to lose a player of his potential, so I doubt they would say yes to crumbs...
I don't think they have the choice. If they say no to whatever Bayern offers, Singh's agents go to the (already Nix-sceptical) media with story of "WELLY NIX RUINS DREAMS OF YOUNG KIWI FOR MONEY". Krishna is a grown-up who couldn't get that much sympathy.
I think it's only fair that we are paid a fair fee for helping Singh to develop into the footballer he is, simple as that.
Whatever the offer on the table turns out to be should liklely reflect that he is currently contracted to us, and the fact that Bayern see him as a future prospect for the first team. Bayern are paying for potential at this stage which will, in all likelihood, result in a smaller up front fee. In saying that, for a club that often has a revolving door of players leaving for basically nothing, I'd say any fee we did get would look rather large.
Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point.
Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point.
You guys keep forgetting that he's being signed to Bayern II. The current market value of that entire team is under 6mil Euro, and a third of that goes on the Korean winger who's already made appearances for the first team.
Just to give some context to this.
Think the club is hinting at a Brockie return based on their trivia post
I worry that Dome is in there negotiating on behalf of the Nix and he'll let him go for basically nothing with no sell in clause. I watch with hope that the Nix dont get bullied by a big Euro club.
Well done to Sapreet.
Think the club is hinting at a Brockie return based on their trivia post
Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point.
You guys keep forgetting that he's being signed to Bayern II. The current market value of that entire team is under 6mil Euro, and a third of that goes on the Korean winger who's already made appearances for the first team.
Just to give some context to this.
No forgetting, hence the addition of the clauses related to first team football & appearances. Did you think I was saying he'd be walking in to the first team fold? ?
I stand by my original post.
Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point.
You guys keep forgetting that he's being signed to Bayern II. The current market value of that entire team is under 6mil Euro, and a third of that goes on the Korean winger who's already made appearances for the first team.
Just to give some context to this.
No forgetting, hence the addition of the clauses related to first team football & appearances. Did you think I was saying he'd be walking in to the first team fold? ?
I stand by my original post.
My comment was related to the money you were suggesting.
Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point.
You guys keep forgetting that he's being signed to Bayern II. The current market value of that entire team is under 6mil Euro, and a third of that goes on the Korean winger who's already made appearances for the first team.
Just to give some context to this.
No forgetting, hence the addition of the clauses related to first team football & appearances. Did you think I was saying he'd be walking in to the first team fold? ?
I stand by my original post.
Also if we're going off transfermarkt figures, Singh has a valuation of $750k...
Bahahahahaha. Transfermarkt. Next we'll be quoting Football manager.
Stoked for Singh if this will work out for him. He will be in top environment to progress his football to another level and the sky is a limit.
(I wonder wich academy, coach is now coming forward and claim it is their product.)
Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point.
You guys keep forgetting that he's being signed to Bayern II. The current market value of that entire team is under 6mil Euro, and a third of that goes on the Korean winger who's already made appearances for the first team.
Just to give some context to this.
No forgetting, hence the addition of the clauses related to first team football & appearances. Did you think I was saying he'd be walking in to the first team fold? ?
I stand by my original post.
Also if we're going off transfermarkt figures, Singh has a valuation of $750k...
Well, if they can get that kind of money, that would be great. But Bayern II doesn't fork out that kind of cash, though they did pay 700k Euro for Jeong. Guess we'll see.
Brockie Waine Sotirio and poss. McCowatt across the front. Needing an import playmaker now
Based on the clubs history with youth players - waving them off to US College - I doubt they would be holding out for a ridiculous amount of money. They want a return on investment but not at the expense of stopping a young player's opportunity.
Think the club is hinting at a Brockie return based on their trivia post
Another thing no one has mentioned is that he only has a year left on his contract. This puts us in an even worse position as he will become a free agent soon so we can't ask for the same amount as if he had a longer contract.
But the club had planned for Singh’s potential exit prior to the U20 World Cup and are in advanced negotiations with a selection of young Australian and New Zealand-based talent, as well as high-profile international signings to bolster new coach Ufuk Talay’s renovation job.
Dome said Phoenix fans can anticipate some of these international players to be announced this week.
“We’re really advanced on some of those. Ufuk has come straight into it and done a great job identifying what we need to do.
Wonder how loosely the term "high-profile" is being applied here.
There are rules to stop youth players leaving clubs to join bigger teams for free - came about as bigger clubs would drop hints they are interested, but not approach as to encourage the youth player to let the contract run out to avoid a transfer fee.
Now, if the current offers a new contract, but the player leaves on a free to join another team a panel/board has to agree a fair fee.
Singh would fall under this, if he were to let his contract run out.
Bayern will have to pay something.
What hasn't been talked about is the fact they have tried to keep it secret, as to not alert other teams who may step in. If he wasn't see as being of value, why the secrecy?
Hate on me for this and good for Singh, but I genuinely think he will never play a game for Bayerns first team. Whilst he's a good player and he could potentially get a bit better, I seriously doubt he'll ever be good enough to cut it @ top level in the Bundesliga.
Who really knows Bayerns motives, maybe they're just looking for decent quality players to prop up their reserve team, to let other actual prospects shine, they might say he's a "first team prospect" but never have any intention of considering him, it also gives them a small bit of marketing here in Australasia for not much outlay.
I see what you're getting at, but clubs like Bayern only ever buy with serious intent. They are not willing to compromise training ground standards. Definitely no guarantees though and all the seriously hard work starts now
