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Martial wrote:

Wonder how loosely the term "high-profile" is being applied here.

Wonder also what's they mean by biggest transfer in the nations history, given Chris Wood's last Xfer was reported£15m

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over 13 years

Wonder if Bayern are looking to secure themselves a bigger slice of the Asian market with this signing?

Fair to say that India is a sleeping giant in non-cricket sports, and if Bayern could sign an up-and-coming star with Indian heritage like Singh, their Indian presence would explode overnight

First Team Squad
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over 5 years

Cacace has decided to stay at the phoenix for another season according to Rollo

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about 17 years

dunnix wrote:

Wonder if Bayern are looking to secure themselves a bigger slice of the Asian market with this signing?

Fair to say that India is a sleeping giant in non-cricket sports, and if Bayern could sign an up-and-coming star with Indian heritage like Singh, their Indian presence would explode overnight

Bit like how Arsenal signed that Japanese uni kid who never played.

Marquee
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Surely he's too small for Germany, hell face the same issues as Rojas.

WeeNix
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ChopperNZ wrote:

Hate on me for this and good for Singh, but I genuinely think he will never play a game for Bayerns first team. Whilst he's a good player and he could potentially get a bit better, I seriously doubt he'll ever be good enough to cut it @ top level in the Bundesliga. 

Who really knows Bayerns motives, maybe they're just looking for decent quality players to prop up their reserve team, to let other actual prospects shine, they might say he's a "first team prospect" but never have any intention of considering him, it also gives them a small bit of marketing here in Australasia for not much outlay.

I disagree, the only issues with Singh are his consistency and his decision making. The latter will be improved dramatically with time in a high class professional environment. Hopefully he is mentally stronger than Rojas. 

WeeNix
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Ryan wrote:

Surely he's too small for Germany, hell face the same issues as Rojas.

he could learn a move or two from Roy on how to use a smaller frame in a beneficial manner.

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about 7 years

YoungHeart wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

YoungHeart wrote:
 

Would be a guess, but something between $500,000 & $1,000,000 up front, which I think is fair considering the profile of the club. Would be a huge transfer for the A-League too. Add on clauses for X amount when he makes his first team debut and another clause for say when he makes his 100th first team appearance. I would say a sell on clause too, but if he makes it over there, he's already at one of the bigger clubs in world football, and they tend to keep players for a good portion of their careers, so don't know if there would be a point. 

You guys keep forgetting that he's being signed to Bayern II. The current market value of that entire team is under 6mil Euro, and a third of that goes on the Korean winger who's already made appearances for the first team. 

Just to give some context to this.

No forgetting, hence the addition of the clauses related to first team football & appearances. Did you think I was saying he'd be walking in to the first team fold? ?

I stand by my original post.

Also if we're going off transfermarkt figures, Singh has a valuation of $750k...

Horrifically outdated for the smaller clubs (e.g. us)

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

There are rules to stop youth players leaving clubs to join bigger teams for free - came about as bigger clubs would drop hints they are interested, but not approach as to encourage the youth player to let the contract run out to avoid a transfer fee.

Singh's 20, minor protection clauses don't apply to him.

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over 14 years

Bullion wrote:

detoxin wrote:

Think the club is hinting at a Brockie return based on their trivia post 

They have those trivia posts all the time. Kenny Cunningham was the focus of one the other day. I don't think the club are trying to sign him.

It was something they posted in regard to someones comment with guessing how many players were still at the nix.

Starting XI
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about 9 years

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

There are rules to stop youth players leaving clubs to join bigger teams for free - came about as bigger clubs would drop hints they are interested, but not approach as to encourage the youth player to let the contract run out to avoid a transfer fee.

Singh's 20, minor protection clauses don't apply to him.

no but development fees do (although I understand they are pretty minuscule)

Early retirement
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about 17 years

Wellington United if it will be enough to cover the Elite's bar tab?

Woof Woof
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almost 17 years

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

There are rules to stop youth players leaving clubs to join bigger teams for free - came about as bigger clubs would drop hints they are interested, but not approach as to encourage the youth player to let the contract run out to avoid a transfer fee.

Singh's 20, minor protection clauses don't apply to him.

no but development fees do (although I understand they are pretty minuscule)

Yeah, both training compensation and solidarity contribution would be applicable.

WeeNix
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over 10 years

If Singh is gone it guts our attacking midfield. We go from 1 player left to none, hopefully Uffie has some good players lined out or even looked at kiwi players like Awad. Anyone left from the academy ready to step up? 

LG
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almost 17 years

ChopperNZ wrote:

Hate on me for this and good for Singh, but I genuinely think he will never play a game for Bayerns first team. Whilst he's a good player and he could potentially get a bit better, I seriously doubt he'll ever be good enough to cut it @ top level in the Bundesliga. 

Who really knows Bayerns motives, maybe they're just looking for decent quality players to prop up their reserve team, to let other actual prospects shine, they might say he's a "first team prospect" but never have any intention of considering him, it also gives them a small bit of marketing here in Australasia for not much outlay.

Bayern are not like Chelsea buying a gazillion players so that no one else can. 70 players on Chelski's books.

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about 17 years

Sancho wrote:

If Singh is gone it guts our attacking midfield. We go from 1 player left to none, hopefully Uffie has some good players lined out or even looked at kiwi players like Awad. Anyone left from the academy ready to step up? 

The next Academy generation is all a bit younger. With Harris, Ebbinge, Phillip all at US colleges, Libby and Waine already in the first team and Stensness and Singh gone (probably) the side playing Central league is quite young. They are making a good fist of it but not sure any of them are quite ready for the step up yet.


I think we'll see who fills the team out in pre-season and look at next summer's Handy Prem for the next generation to make their mark.
 

Obviously (as the potential McCowatt signing shows) the academy is not necessarily the only source for local signings.

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about 17 years

From watching the academy game the other night against Miramar, there is not a single player from the academy side that is anywhere near A-League capable. Ebbinge would have been but he is gone. As above they are much too young yet.

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Sancho wrote:

If Singh is gone it guts our attacking midfield. We go from 1 player left to none, hopefully Uffie has some good players lined out or even looked at kiwi players like Awad. Anyone left from the academy ready to step up? 

Didn't see him play, but at the time there were some big wraps on Tacettin Kumsuz, the kid that came over here from Aus same time as Stensness.

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almost 15 years

reg22 wrote:

I see what you're getting at, but clubs like Bayern only ever buy with serious intent. They are not willing to compromise training ground standards. Definitely no guarantees though and all the seriously hard work starts now

Yep, he's got the talent for sure. But it'll be work ethic and mentality that gets him over the line now.

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about 17 years

Can anyone who actually watched McCowatt play on a regular basis tell me whether they think he's ready for the A-League?

I really have no idea; all I've read is hype, and then saw his somewhat disappointing performance at the U20 World Cup. (relative to other attacking players)

Legend
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almost 17 years

valeo wrote:

Can anyone who actually watched McCowatt play on a regular basis tell me whether they think he's ready for the A-League?

I really have no idea; all I've read is hype, and then saw his somewhat disappointing performance at the U20 World Cup. (relative to other attacking players)

My perspective from what the others said is that he'd be bench ready (depending on squad quality) and see how it goes 

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He had a similar scoring record in the Handy to Krishna, 32 in 43 as a teenager is pretty bloody impressive. He's certainly got an eye for goal but Des used him differently for U20s to how Danny Hay did - he spent more time wider at ESAFC from what I saw, while he was very much through the middle for U20s. We want him on the ball more than he did at the WC, felt like he was trying to force it a bit much due to lack of chances.

Very good player with a lot of potential. He'll score a few but I doubt he'll be leading goal scorer. I'd prefer to see him playing off *insert import striker here*, with a little more depth and freedom than Des gave him. More effective there than leading the line. I expect him to contribute this season, even if its initially off the bench. He's a better wide option than Sotirio though, that's for sure, and can play all across a front 3 or as a 10 as well.

valeo
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about 17 years

So basically be the Williams to Krishna of last year?

Starting XI
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valeo wrote:

So basically be the Williams to Krishna of last year?

Yeah, to a degree. Hopefully he exceeds expectations by the same amount. Will be interesting to see if we play a front 2 or 3 given Uffie has committed to a back 4. 
Trialist
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over 5 years

valeo wrote:

Can anyone who actually watched McCowatt play on a regular basis tell me whether they think he's ready for the A-League?

I really have no idea; all I've read is hype, and then saw his somewhat disappointing performance at the U20 World Cup. (relative to other attacking players)

He's very good, he's definitely fringe starter A-League quality at this point. As others have said, he was out of position at the U20WC. He can't do the job himself as a lone striker or the central player in a front 3, he's best as a winger or in a pairing up top. In my opinion he has a lower ceiling than Waine, but a higher floor.

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about 17 years

Nelfoos wrote:

valeo wrote:

So basically be the Williams to Krishna of last year?

Yeah, to a degree. Hopefully he exceeds expectations by the same amount. Will be interesting to see if we play a front 2 or 3 given Uffie has committed to a back 4. 

My guess is a 4-2-3-1, but comitting to any sort of formation before you even have a squad together is backwards.

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over 17 years

He's absolutely good enough. I don't think he could have achieved any more than what he has given what has been put in front of him. 

Modern international football is hardest on central attacking players. Short preparation times and the associated uncomplicated tactics seem to bring cohesion to his area of the pitch last.

There will be a settling in period of course.

It's going to be fascinating to see how he goes

Starting XI
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valeo wrote:

Can anyone who actually watched McCowatt play on a regular basis tell me whether they think he's ready for the A-League?

I really have no idea; all I've read is hype, and then saw his somewhat disappointing performance at the U20 World Cup. (relative to other attacking players)

He's very good, he's definitely fringe starter A-League quality at this point. As others have said, he was out of position at the U20WC. He can't do the job himself as a lone striker or the central player in a front 3, he's best as a winger or in a pairing up top. In my opinion he has a lower ceiling than Waine, but a higher floor.

Totally agree with this

valeo
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about 17 years

https://www.transfermarkt.com/adama-traore/profil/spieler/70209

Sign up Traore and move Libby to midfield.

Traore was easily the best left back I've seen play in the A-League.

Starting XI
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People going on about McCowatt last season for Easts seem to be forgetting he played the season before for Auckland City and picked up their young player of the year award, as well as scoring the winner in the NL Grand Final and also the Steve Sumner trophy (which he did again with Eastern Suburbs)

So that's 2 years at the top of the ISPS Handy and yes its a big step up to A-League, but then when he went from Wests to ACFC many said it was a big step up from Central League to ISPS Handy (esp the Auckland City team) but he walked into that - Ole go on about players being mentally ready and I think he is, also physically am actually quite excited about what he will do for the Nix

Marquee
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almost 17 years

valeo wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

valeo wrote:

So basically be the Williams to Krishna of last year?

Yeah, to a degree. Hopefully he exceeds expectations by the same amount. Will be interesting to see if we play a front 2 or 3 given Uffie has committed to a back 4. 

My guess is a 4-2-3-1, but comitting to any sort of formation before you even have a squad together is backwards.

He's got a blank slate just about, surely you try and sign players that fit your preferred way of playing first.
WeeNix
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760
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almost 17 years

I posted this in the Mark Judan thread - it must have been cos that is where folks are talking about the latest on Sapreet Singh and I was iontot hat at teh time. But its about transfer speculation so maybe it can fit better here. It also ties in a bit to the chat here about McCowatt (and wouldn't it be a bit of incentive for guys like him to give the Phoenix a go....)

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Surely if Singh went to Bayern Munich it would be one of the biggest jumps that there has ever been up out of the A-League? Anyone else that new been taken to a higher level than that? I guess there must have been a few here and there to possibly comparable clubs but we are talking to Bayern Munich here. Direct from the A-League - from the much maligned Phoenix no less. That would be quite stunning. I really hope it happens for Sarpeet and for the Phoenix. While we'd miss him it would certainly make the club look a whole lot better to other ambitious young players.

If it pans out, will FFA and their various hangers-on keep saying the Phoenix contributes nothing to the League? If getting a young player set up for such a move isn't a pretty big (and free) boost to the Leagues profile I'm not sure what else would be. Surely it means the big boys and their supporters will be looking a wee bit harder in the A-League's direction won't it? And surely thats a pretty decent contribution to the league. Or are FFA and co. so blinded by a few $ in the hand that they don't understand 'bigger pictures'. 

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Gordinho wrote:

I posted this in the Mark Judan thread - it must have been cos that is where folks are talking about the latest on Sapreet Singh and I was iontot hat at teh time. But its about transfer speculation so maybe it can fit better here. It also ties in a bit to the chat here about McCowatt (and wouldn't it be a bit of incentive for guys like him to give the Phoenix a go....)

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Surely if Singh went to Bayern Munich it would be one of the biggest jumps that there has ever been up out of the A-League? Anyone else that new been taken to a higher level than that? I guess there must have been a few here and there to possibly comparable clubs but we are talking to Bayern Munich here. Direct from the A-League - from the much maligned Phoenix no less. That would be quite stunning. I really hope it happens for Sarpeet and for the Phoenix. While we'd miss him it would certainly make the club look a whole lot better to other ambitious young players.

If it pans out, will FFA and their various hangers-on keep saying the Phoenix contributes nothing to the League? If getting a young player set up for such a move isn't a pretty big (and free) boost to the Leagues profile I'm not sure what else would be. Surely it means the big boys and their supporters will be looking a wee bit harder in the A-League's direction won't it? And surely thats a pretty decent contribution to the league. Or are FFA and co. so blinded by a few $ in the hand that they don't understand 'bigger pictures'. 

As we've seen, unfortunately yes.

Starting XI
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about 12 years

Gordinho wrote:

I posted this in the Mark Judan thread - it must have been cos that is where folks are talking about the latest on Sapreet Singh and I was iontot hat at teh time. But its about transfer speculation so maybe it can fit better here. It also ties in a bit to the chat here about McCowatt (and wouldn't it be a bit of incentive for guys like him to give the Phoenix a go....)

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Surely if Singh went to Bayern Munich it would be one of the biggest jumps that there has ever been up out of the A-League? Anyone else that new been taken to a higher level than that? I guess there must have been a few here and there to possibly comparable clubs but we are talking to Bayern Munich here. Direct from the A-League - from the much maligned Phoenix no less. That would be quite stunning. I really hope it happens for Sarpeet and for the Phoenix. While we'd miss him it would certainly make the club look a whole lot better to other ambitious young players.

If it pans out, will FFA and their various hangers-on keep saying the Phoenix contributes nothing to the League? If getting a young player set up for such a move isn't a pretty big (and free) boost to the Leagues profile I'm not sure what else would be. Surely it means the big boys and their supporters will be looking a wee bit harder in the A-League's direction won't it? And surely thats a pretty decent contribution to the league. Or are FFA and co. so blinded by a few $ in the hand that they don't understand 'bigger pictures'. 

One ex-Phoenix player could to sign for Bayern and another could be about to win the Gold Cup with the USA. We've produced more golden boot winners than any other club since we joined the league and more Johnny Warren medalists than any other club outright. And yet the Phoenix contribute nothing to the league. 

Trialist
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110
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almost 17 years

People going on about McCowatt last season for Easts seem to be forgetting he played the season before for Auckland City and picked up their young player of the year award, as well as scoring the winner in the NL Grand Final and also the Steve Sumner trophy (which he did again with Eastern Suburbs)

So that's 2 years at the top of the ISPS Handy and yes its a big step up to A-League, but then when he went from Wests to ACFC many said it was a big step up from Central League to ISPS Handy (esp the Auckland City team) but he walked into that - Ole go on about players being mentally ready and I think he is, also physically am actually quite excited about what he will do for the Nix

Too much information dude

Starting XI
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about 9 years

Buzzing wrote:

People going on about McCowatt last season for Easts seem to be forgetting he played the season before for Auckland City and picked up their young player of the year award, as well as scoring the winner in the NL Grand Final and also the Steve Sumner trophy (which he did again with Eastern Suburbs)

So that's 2 years at the top of the ISPS Handy and yes its a big step up to A-League, but then when he went from Wests to ACFC many said it was a big step up from Central League to ISPS Handy (esp the Auckland City team) but he walked into that - Ole go on about players being mentally ready and I think he is, also physically am actually quite excited about what he will do for the Nix

Too much information dude

haha  the misplacement of a comma changes everything aye!

Phoenix Academy
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460
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over 16 years

Newshub reporting bayern have put a 3 year deal on the table for Singh with a 500k fee to the nix. Source seems to be Sarpreets old coach at Onehunga 

Marquee
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almost 17 years

MetalLegNZ wrote:

If we do make decent money off of him, I hope it goes towards a marquee or similar.

Great opportunity for the young man - and something to celebrate as NZ football fans.

Or buying a whole team at this rate.

WeeNix
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810
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over 10 years

Ryan wrote:

Surely he's too small for Germany, hell face the same issues as Rojas.

Too small! Like Messi, Maradonna and Pele ?

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