I hope we don't change things every 5 seconds. Stability is key for
us going forward.
valeo2008-01-28 14:28:17
It's a shame Jacobs had to go but we shouldn't read too much into it. Despite all the hype and big crowds this season has always had an ad hoc feel to me: a squad, staff and backroom pulled together at extremely short notice, a style of play probably some way from Ricki's ideal because of obvious player shortcomings. So I don't see these sweeping changes as a problem, more an acknowledgement that, OK, we've got through our first year of existence with credibility intact, now let's get the structure in place to take this club to the top.
Very true, the staff, squad everything was pulled together
very last minute, perhaps this was Terry's plan all along, and then
to bring in more perm staff now that he has 6 months to put it all
together.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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As with everything that the team has done so far, there are reasons
which we do not understand. I have to acknowledge that it came as a
shock to me also, that said, we will just have to wait and see what
the rationale to this is. More importantly must be the longevity of
ALL coaching staff, given their overall strategy to get into the
top four next season. Once again, time will tell.
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10 hours a week - 5 x 2 hr sessions a week = 10 hours? Do you think
they might combine the roles and get a goalkeeping coach who can be
an assistant. - Gould was a goalkeeper and so was Milicich and they
both can coach keepers.
Watch this space??
Watch this space??
My first thought on hearing this news was "Jonathan Gould".
He's turned Hawkes Bay into something far more competitive than
they have been recently and has been involved at national level.
He's the man my money's on, as assistant coach/goalkeeping coach
rolled into one.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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It's a shame Jacobs had to go but we shouldn't read too much into it. Despite all the hype and big crowds this season has always had an ad hoc feel to me: a squad, staff and backroom pulled together at extremely short notice, a style of play probably some way from Ricki's ideal because of obvious player shortcomings. So I don't see these sweeping changes as a problem, more an acknowledgement that, OK, we've got through our first year of existence with credibility intact, now let's get the structure in place to take this club to the top.
Agree about this whole season feeling ad hoc. But
how could it be anything else starting so far behind the "8
ball" just getting a team on the park?
The current moves suggest that the people at the top are not
going to settle for less than the best - in all areas of the
club.
To me, that implies a number of quality signings
to follow, and a second season that will leave the rest
of the A-leaque wondering what hit them.
Can't wait!!
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I think (and hope!) you are right Scribbler.
Terry S's first (and pretty much only
) comment to some of us recently was -"We
will do better next season!"
Terry S's first (and pretty much only
) comment to some of us recently was -"We
will do better next season!"
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We can all say what we like but nobody will get to know the truth.
Someboby earlier mentioned that Stu was a nice guy. I have never
had a 'nice' guy as a coach that was successful. That is probably
the problem. Rick and Stu are Mr Nice guys?
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Well that has bamboozled me. Totally confused by that decision.
Gotta laugh at the doom and gloom merchants - by my accounts it was
a successful first season.
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how?
Good points but that didn't stop Melbourne Storm first season in the NRL and the Bumbies first season in the super12 didn't it?
Anyway, Winners get bums on seats.
As for the month behind, sure it was a factor, But 8 of the players were All Whites that trained under Ricki previously. The factors are the pre-season fitness, which they should have their own All White fitness programme and the other players should be fit ready if they were looking for a transfer, they are professionals aren't?
It's too much of an excuse, if you ask me. Combining and clicking together takes a month and they show that form in the pre-season games and the first half of the year. It's just a bit hard keeping it up for the next half of the season, because they were not used to the level for so long.
But we should have nab 7th or even 6th place, not 8th.
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Jonathan Gould for full time GK coach, there is none else in the
country that fits the bill.
Assistant coach? Well that is why they have gone overseas, Riciki has to try and get an peer of his own kind. He attend the Uefa Pro Licence � the mandatory qualification for any coach in the Uefa Champions League and must have made some contact in Coventry�s University of Warwick on the June 25-July 2 course. He had Uefa �A� Licence since 2005 so he must have picked up on some contacts for coaches over there.
The most of the coaches over here have the equivalent of 'B" Licence.
As for the nice guy coaches. Players would want to play for you if you are nice guy. It's a motivating factor that people forget and the most rewarding one too.AllWhitebelievr2008-01-28 18:52:39
Assistant coach? Well that is why they have gone overseas, Riciki has to try and get an peer of his own kind. He attend the Uefa Pro Licence � the mandatory qualification for any coach in the Uefa Champions League and must have made some contact in Coventry�s University of Warwick on the June 25-July 2 course. He had Uefa �A� Licence since 2005 so he must have picked up on some contacts for coaches over there.
The most of the coaches over here have the equivalent of 'B" Licence.
As for the nice guy coaches. Players would want to play for you if you are nice guy. It's a motivating factor that people forget and the most rewarding one too.AllWhitebelievr2008-01-28 18:52:39
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We can all say what we like but nobody will get to know the truth.
Someboby earlier mentioned that Stu was a nice guy. I have never
had a 'nice' guy as a coach that was successful. That is probably
the problem. Rick and Stu are Mr Nice guys?
What do you mean Leggy? What about Ken Armstrong???
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Ken Armstrong Was a nice guy, but when it came to trying to keep
everyone happy, the team was the most important.
The point I was trying to make was that a lot of coaches try to keep everybody happy.
The point I was trying to make was that a lot of coaches try to keep everybody happy.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Well that has bamboozled me. Totally confused by that decision.
Gotta laugh at the doom and gloom merchants - by my accounts it was
a successful first season.
how?
Good points but that didn't stop Melbourne Storm first season in the NRL and the Bumbies first season in the super12 didn't it?
Anyway, Winners get bums on seats.
As for the month behind, sure it was a factor, But 8 of the players were All Whites that trained under Ricki previously. The factors are the pre-season fitness, which they should have their own All White fitness programme and the other players should be fit ready if they were looking for a transfer, they are professionals aren't?
It's too much of an excuse, if you ask me. Combining and clicking together takes a month and they show that form in the pre-season games and the first half of the year. It's just a bit hard keeping it up for the next half of the season, because they were not used to the level for so long.
But we should have nab 7th or even 6th place, not 8th.
just one more point and we would have
and, as noted, these changes are intended to insure a significant improvement in season 2
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Sacking Stu was a big mistake. He is the best coach in NZ and his
record is superb.
What has Ricki done as a coach? He is over-rated. 25 games in
the A-league now and 8 wins. Why does everybody like him?
He knew he wasn't up to it and that is why he was playing down
the first season and focussing on the second one. He tried to take
the pressure off himself, but instead he failed to create a winning
environment because even the players began to think they weren't
supposed to do well.
This could be the beginning of the end if the bad decisions
continue. Next thing you know they will be giving Old and Christie
contract extensions.
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I dont know how many of you have read the following. This is just a
small part of the story from The Sunday News and may give some
insights as to why Stu has been dumped.
"Herbert was not commenting last night but last week's signing of All Whites wing Leo Bertos was a clear sign Elrich's days in Wellington were numbered.
Elrich was one of a group of six players whose Nix contracts expire in June.
Along with Aloisi, the others were midfielders Felipe, Richard Johnson and Vince Lia and defender Kristain Rees.
And because of the A-League's salary cap rules, any cull Herbert was planning could realistically only come from that group.
Any players axed who were contracted to the end of the 2008-09 season would have to be paid out. And that payout would be a part of the Nix $2.2m salary cap for the new season.
That scenario meant Herbert would be reluctant to axe players outside the six.
Given those restrictions, Hay who was Herbert's All Whites captain until his international retirement last year was encouraging his former boss to target at Lia and Rees.
"They're adequate players," Hay said. "But adequate won't get it done next season."
Herbert was to travel to The Netherlands, Germany, England and South America on a scouting mission next month, and was being encouraged to focus on acquiring defenders.
"The Nix need a striker to play alongside Shane Smeltz if they want to reach the playoffs next year," said Hay. "That's a given. But the immediate focus must be on the defence.
"The reality is they are stuck with Karl Dodd and Stephen Old.
"Old should go the way of Stephen O'Dor (the Nix back who returned to his law studies) and find a new career.
"He has had that many chances to prove himself and we're all still waiting for him to come good. He's not a kid anymore. Football at this level is clearly beyond him.
"And Dodd isn't good enough to lead the backline but the Nix are stuck with them. But O'Dor's departure along with that of Rees means Ricki's got some room to move.
"At the moment the defence is his Achilles heel. It's what let the team down this season."
Sunday News understood the Nix were close to agreeing terms with Newcastle Jets defender Andrew Durante who would be a good acquisition. But more reinforcements were needed.
Said Hay: "The Nix have said they will finish in the top four next year. And good on them for saying that. They are setting their standards high. Ricki will know more than anyone he can't afford to carry players next season."
To me it looks like the coaching changes have been made to
free up money from the Salary Cap so that they can sign more
quality players.
Anyone else think this could be the case?
A dog with a bone :)
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Sacking Stu was a big mistake. He is the best coach in NZ and his
record is superb.
What has Ricki done as a coach? He is over-rated. 25 games in
the A-league now and 8 wins. Why does everybody like him?
He knew he wasn't up to it and that is why he was playing down
the first season and focussing on the second one. He tried to take
the pressure off himself, but instead he failed to create a winning
environment because even the players began to think they weren't
supposed to do well.
This could be the beginning of the end if the bad decisions
continue. Next thing you know they will be giving Old and Christie
contract extensions.
Are you Matthew?
Are you Matthew?
Are you Matthew in disguise?
Are you Matthew in disguise?
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when i saw PHOENIX AXE COACH on the front page I thought it was
ricki
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To me it looks like the coaching changes have been made to
free up money from the Salary Cap so that they can sign more
quality players.
Anyone else think this could be the case?
this may be a dumb question but do coaches come under the
cap?
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Anyone else think this could be the case?
Its the only conclusion I could find - the reasons given are very vague and dont have much behind them.
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when i saw PHOENIX AXE COACH on the front page I thought it was
ricki
That's exactly what they wanted you to think. Pretty sh*t journalism, but what do you expect.
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Maybe this part of the release in the Latest News section gives an
indication of whats happening.
"The new position, and that of strength and conditioning coach, will be advertised in the coming weeks.
"People will read into it want they want," Pignata said, "but we've made these changes as stage one of our recruiting phase.
"It's all about gearing up for season two."
Maybe its not just players they will be scouting on their
trip.Also i would guess Terry has let it be known that a similar
season next year will not be tolerated hence making sure the
responsibility for results rest in only one place.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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To me it looks like the coaching changes have been made to
free up money from the Salary Cap so that they can sign more
quality players.
Anyone else think this could be the case?
this may be a dumb question but do coaches come under the
cap?
Yes
A dog with a bone :)
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I'm sure in the fullness of time we'll see the direction the owners
of the club want to take. An old but valid cliche. I think they're
aiming high and realistic. Shame about Stu but I am sure he'll
bounce back and be successful with who ever he coaches.
Perhaps this paves the way for Jose Mourinhio to come
in??
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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I'm sure in the fullness of time we'll see the direction the owners
of the club want to take. An old but valid cliche. I think they're
aiming high and realistic. Shame about Stu but I am sure he'll
bounce back and be successful with who ever he coaches.
Na salary cap is to low.Perhaps this paves the way for Jose Mourinhio to come
in??
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I don't believe coaching staff come under the cap. News?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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To me it looks like the coaching changes have been made to
free up money from the Salary Cap so that they can sign more
quality players.
Anyone else think this could be the case?
this may be a dumb question but do coaches come under the
cap?
Yes
i find that hard to believe. especially from you
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Coaching and backroom staff do not come under the cap. Hard
News2008-01-28 21:44:43
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Where did you get the info on the coaches HN. I was going on my memory (dulled by alcohol) of the rules when the league was launched 4 years ago.
A dog with a bone :)
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Pignata told The Dominion Post last night that Jacobs' axing had nothing to do with his performance during the first season and that it was more about what shape they wanted the coaching structure to take.
"It was about moving away from having two assistant coaches, which Ricki felt he didn't need if he was going to be more hands-on," Pignata said.
"It was a difficult decision, because everyone contributed a lot to this season, but for us going forward it's about results and we feel we have to beef up certain areas in the football department - just as we do with players - and that's what we're doing."
See my comments above. Stu was not sacked and the headline
today was out of order and very disappointing.
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Where did you get the info on the coaches HN. I was going on my memory (dulled by alcohol) of the rules when the league was launched 4 years ago.
I think Littbarski would have blown the full cap
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is Ross gonna coach?(just to start up a bit of a stir)
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Where did you get the info on the coaches HN. I was going on my memory (dulled by alcohol) of the rules when the league was launched 4 years ago.
I think Littbarski would have blown the full cap
Exhibit A.
I have sources nightz.
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Provided it was Ricki's decision to axe Stu and provided Ricki has
sole discretion over his replacement I have no problem with this
move.
If Ricki beleives he can produce better results with a change of assistant then you have to let him do it.
Not sure what it does for Stu's relationship with Ricki at All White level. It seems difficult to axe him in one role but tell him he still has plenty to offer at international level.
However, if it was not Ricki's decision then the club is on shifting sands. Whenever administrative staff get involved in Technical decisions the final out come is disaster.
If Ricki beleives he can produce better results with a change of assistant then you have to let him do it.
Not sure what it does for Stu's relationship with Ricki at All White level. It seems difficult to axe him in one role but tell him he still has plenty to offer at international level.
However, if it was not Ricki's decision then the club is on shifting sands. Whenever administrative staff get involved in Technical decisions the final out come is disaster.
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is ricki quiting all whites?
That was my assumption from reading between the lines of
Ricki's quote.
Remembering from the start of the season that the aim was 'not
to win the wooden spoon' and that wasn't achieved, there was
probably a lot of hard talking about Ricki's time commitment - what
with time off for the AW debacle and time off for surgery (both
probably unavoidable).
So a greater commitment is expected from Ricki and one way to
show that is to remove the assistant coach and the other is to
resign from the AW role.
Stu Jacobs is just the fall guy.
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Fitness dude: out.
Paul Emanuel is leaving for personal reasons
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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What the sacking of Jacobs shows is there is going to be a hard nose approach with the running of the Phoenix.
Terry is a tough businessman...you don't have the success that
he has had by being sentimental and accepting second best. He will
be spitting about coming last. He is NOT a coming last sort of guy.
He is strong on getting the right people to do the job.
We came last....right, first thing lets sort out the coaching
staff and back room support crew. Next they will move on the
players. You can gaurantee that non performing Phoenix players will
be sacked too. I applaud this hard nose approach. Too many kiwis
accept that being nice is important .... I would rather
win!!!!!!
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Wasn't one of the reasons for the two Assistants, that Ricki had
his AW commitments and they needed extra to cope with his
absences?
Now that the A-League is going to comply with International windows, that is no longer needed?
Possibly more of a realigning to the environment for the next year, dont know enough about the relative strengths of Stu and Wayne, but Terry may see a better use of resources than currently available.
I would also expect that Ricki had a big say in who was to go and who the likely replacement is.
Now that the A-League is going to comply with International windows, that is no longer needed?
Possibly more of a realigning to the environment for the next year, dont know enough about the relative strengths of Stu and Wayne, but Terry may see a better use of resources than currently available.
I would also expect that Ricki had a big say in who was to go and who the likely replacement is.
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Pignata told The Dominion Post last night that Jacobs' axing had nothing to do with his performance during the first season and that it was more about what shape they wanted the coaching structure to take.
"It was about moving away from having two assistant coaches, which Ricki felt he didn't need if he was going to be more hands-on," Pignata said.
"It was a difficult decision, because everyone contributed a lot to this season, but for us going forward it's about results and we feel we have to beef up certain areas in the football department - just as we do with players - and that's what we're doing."
See my comments above. Stu was not sacked and the headline
today was out of order and very disappointing.
Stu was not sacked. Interesting. Reorganising the set up
behind the scenes. A fair call after the debut season especially if
the club wish to move forward. Tony, I have 7 weeks A/L up my
sleeve and a valid passport if you need a baggage boy on your
trip!
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