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Phoenix Christchurch Game dates moved.

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Hard News wrote:
Yes, because penalising the club for something beyond their control is exactly what the club needs.
 
not beyond their control.... it was beyond there control that the stadium was unavailable and a solution had to be found...
 
and what they have done is swaped the fixtures around which has put alot of us out of pocket...
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Hard News wrote:
Yes, because penalising the club for something beyond their control is exactly what the club needs.
 
If all the home games had been in wellington then there wouldnt be an issue...as they werent then there is an issue and whether or not people blame the club or the stadium a substantial amount of them are hundreds of dollars out of pocket which is not there fault either but they are the ones that are having to pay for it

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Okay.  So what is the other option ?  Move another game out of town ?

Have you seen the whining about moving one ?  let alone two ?

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Yup- lots of very unhappy people out in supporters land. Airlines will charge a "change fee" if you want to change your tickets which makes it very expensive, on top of your original tickets. popz2010-06-24 10:39:12
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Hard News wrote:
Okay.  So what is the other option ?  Move another game out of town ?

Have you seen the whining about moving one ?  let alone two ?
 
off the top of my head without knowing the in's and outs of rules...
 
change date of game - mid week
postpone till end of season
move to mclean park/fmg/basin reserve - travelling distance for most wellingtonians.
 
+
reverse adelaides with us for this date... so we play adelaides at westpac when we were meant to be playing at adelaide and then adelaide have home game v phoenix on 5th december. 
 
reverse...
adelaide v phoenix 22nd october
phoenix v phoenix 5th december
 
 
 
bobboltontawa22010-06-23 16:03:35
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Hard News wrote:
Okay.  So what is the other option ?  Move another game out of town ?

Have you seen the whining about moving one ?  let alone two ?


Between having two games on the road, and one game on the road while screwing over loyal fans to keep things tidy - I'd choose the former. Anyone who doesn't like having another match on the road could whine all they like, but at least they wouldn't be out of pocket.
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Muppets - not happy.
Luckily only booked flights - $200 retrun for two of us. I'm sure the stadium people will give me a refund when I write in...
 
All this for a washed up bogan
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$150 minimum to change our tickets plus a day off school at the end of term for our son. Far from impressed with Westpac.
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karori wrote:
Muppets - not happy.
Luckily only booked flights - $200 retrun for two of us. I'm sure the stadium people will give me a refund when I write in...
 
All this for a washed up bogan


I'm not so sure. The Stadium Trust isn't responsible for the the Dec 18 game being shifted, only the Dec 8 match. The onus is on the club.
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Lesson for future: don't get non-refundable tickets to away games. Or wait a while before buying them. Alternatively, if it's easier, start whinging about how someone, you're not sure exactly who, owes you money.

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Hard News wrote:
Yes, because penalising the club for something beyond their control is exactly what the club needs.
I normally don't like to disagree with you News but the Club have not handled this well at all. Unless in the next day or two they come and out and say what they will do to help fans they will have pissed off a lot of their core fan base.

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Doloras wrote:
Lesson for future: don't get non-refundable tickets to away games. Or wait a while before buying them. Alternatively, if it's easier, start whinging about how someone, you're not sure exactly who, owes you money.


Lesson for the future, is to not attend any travelling "home" games, take your included tickets, and sell them on trademe, thereby depriving the club of potential income.

I'm all for supporting the club, but this attitude is why many clubs treat fans like sh*t- because they know fans are 'romantically involved' with the club and will ignore it when the club cheats on them.

It's a bad way to do business.
zonknz2010-06-23 16:30:51
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I read the headline and thought here we go again. But well done.
 
Though yes do feel sorry for those who have already booked flights and time off  is one reason why games shouldnt be taken away like this in the first place.

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Hard News wrote:
Okay.  So what is the other option ?  Move another game out of town ?

Have you seen the whining about moving one ?  let alone two ?
What pault was saying was if no games were moved it wouldnt be a problem,they would then have the option to perhaps move the game to chch (yes there would be angst,but itd still be the one game we currently have away,minus the 100s of dollars people have blown that is now worthless)
 
Also another possible solution was a midweek game...in Wellington.

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Tegal wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Okay.  So what is the other option ?  Move another game out of town ?


 
another possible solution was a midweek game...in Wellington.


That's actually not a terrible idea at all.
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Nah,moving 2 games to put fans out of pocket 100s of dollars each is a way better idea.

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I think it's a pity they didn't ask for ideas and got some feedback from the fans before locking something in.  While I understand that there's nothing the Phoenix can do if other events are considered the priority the switching of the Christchurch game seems to me as if it wasn't particularly well thought through and if they'd gotten feedback from the fans then they could have avoided this fiasco.
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loyalgunner wrote:
I think it's a pity they didn't ask for ideas and got some feedback from the fans before locking something in.  While I understand that there's nothing the Phoenix can do if other events are considered the priority the switching of the Christchurch game seems to me as if it wasn't particularly well thought through and if they'd gotten feedback from the fans then they could have avoided this fiasco.
Can't agree more with you mate.
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bopman wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Yes, because penalising the club for something beyond their control is exactly what the club needs.
I normally don't like to disagree with you News but the Club have not handled this well at all. Unless in the next day or two they come and out and say what they will do to help fans they will have pissed off a lot of their core fan base.
 
It's obvious from reading these posts that the club have pissed off a lot of people, but I'm not entirely sure it's justified.
 
When you buy airline tickets you can buy refundable ones, it's just that they're more expensive. I'm not sure the club should be held responsible for the fact that you didn't. Just because you don't choose to read the small print doesn't mean it isn't there.
 
Concert goers put up with this stuff all the time because bands are forever cancelling shows, moving the date, getting nicked at customs etc. Anytime I buy tickets to go to Auckland for a gig, which I do regularly, I am always aware there's a risk of being out of pocket.
 
On the other hand individual bands don't necessarily expect me to have a repeat purchase experience with them quite like a football club does.
 
 

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I'm just going to put it out there that the FFA and Fox would probably be anti-another mid-week game but I don't know that.

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Come back Tony P. The Apprentice has stuffed it up  !!!

I wonder if the club considered moving it to Palmie, but with all the hoo haa about playing games "away" they considered that keeping to one game away was going to cause the least fuss, and so just changed the date


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Out of any possible scenario i could think of,that was probably the stupidest that they chose. Short of moving the game to Australia i guess.


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hepatitis wrote:
Come back Tony P. The Apprentice has stuffed it up  !!!

I wonder if the club considered moving it to Palmie, but with all the hoo haa about playing games "away" they considered that keeping to one game away was going to cause the least fuss, and so just changed the date




Because knowingly wasting the money of their loyal customers causes less fuss than being forced to relocate a second match in order to simply keep things tidy?
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This is very unfortunate, what ever the club chose to do they would piss someone off.
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Ok i suppose,overall the damage this way was less.

Only those who got non-refundable tickets to chch are affetced. Sucks for them.
 
However the alternative is moving another game away. This means every single season pass holder loses out on a game worth approx $30. OR theyd have to spend more money travelling to see this game. Overall,that is much worse.
 
This is all assuming that a midweek game was not possible due to FFA or the tv rights holders not allowing it.

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This is very unfortunate and I feel for those who have already booked flights etc.
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Should have moved it to Palmy for the lols.
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Dont blame Tony, Blame the stadium.
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Wellington city should have a purpose built indoor arena, like vector, so that music acts etc... They should of had one to stop this kind of thing happening.
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I don't think they've even thought about people who might've booked up already to be honest, which is unfortunate.
 
A move to the following midweek would have seemed the sensible option to me, thus leaving the Chch fixture as it was. Basically any scenario that left the original Chch game where it was would've been preferable!
 
Here's another affect it's had - I might not get a season ticket now because this move now means I would already be missing 2 Westpac games, rather than just one as it was under the original arrangement. I can't go to Christchurch either that weekend, so that's 3 games from the 15 out, therefore the season ticket value goes down a fair bit.

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giddyup wrote:


In England fixtures are quite often changed at short notice due to teams making another round in a cup etc what do the clubs there do for their fans ??
 
Because clubs observe the novel concept of playing home games at home, the issue simply doesn't arise.
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At the risk of upsetting those here, I have to say this is brilliant news. My intense dislike of giving up home advantage for home matches is well documented on these forums, but that's not the reason. For me, the 5 December game was one of the matches I could not get to. By shifting that one away and returning the 18 December game to Wellington, I find myself getting an extra match.
 
Did anyone take travel insurance out? It's normally $25 extra on the flights with Air NZ. And if so, does this meet the criteria and allow you to get your non-flexi flights refunded? I must admit I generally don't bother on cheap flights, but it might have mileage for some.
 
Also, Air NZ *might* be sympathetic and cut you a deal. I've always found them good like that - but I am Gold Elite status - whereas the other airlines don't want to know. Ask them nicely and it might work. I had a fixed fee booking for flights and hotels in Auckland last year for the marathon and pulled out because of injury. Both hotel and flights let me transfer without penalty when I asked nicely if it was possible to do something and neither were obliged to do anything.
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Tegal wrote:
However the alternative is moving another game away. This means every single season pass holder loses out on a game worth approx $30. OR theyd have to spend more money travelling to see this game. Overall,that is much worse.
 
It would be much worse because it would mean the season tickets sold to date would require have to be offered the right to refund their season ticket or at least a refund of the amount of the match being lost. Easy to see why the club swapped the games around - fixture date changes (as opposed to reducing number of games covered) stays within the season ticket purchase conditions.
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We are still going to Christchurch...flights and hotels booked.......just 6 less supporters at Ring on the 18th......great start to the season
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I think we all agree a midweek game would be the best solution.
 
Assuming that wasnt possible due to TV reasons,my personal opinion is they have chosen the option with the least overall damage to club members.

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I think throwing together some questions for the fans to answer would have been the best option, then using that info to help make a decision. I was never likely to be going to CHCH again anyway, but this is a bit sh*t, and something should really be ammended in the Stadium contract.
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just tell jovi to F off

phoenix > Jovi

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I suspect the real reason they don't want a midweek game is that we had only 4,000 midweek last year against Newcastle. To be fair, it was pissing down and cold.
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If that were the case,id be very pissed on behalf of those the club left stranded.
 
TV networks having a cry about it is the only excuse ill accept to not changing it to a midweek game.

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