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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ScoobyD wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:

The friendly idea each week would get over all the legal/contractual difficulties of a professional Nix reserve team in the amateur NZFC by simply bypassing them. The players are still going to be trying their hardest to impress Ricki, I can't see them not trying. I think the NZFC clubs�would enjoy testing themselves against a successful A League club, as long as there are no points involved. And South Auckland can enter the NZFC without the�odd man out�of one club not playing each week.

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To me this is simple, doesn't seem to breach Fifa, FFA or AFC rules and the Phoenix reserves get regular game time against reasonable opposition. Playing the games as curtain raisers for Nix home games sounds good. I also think Newtown Park is a good venue. I'm sure hundreds of Nix supporters would turn out. The game against TW would be a mini-hit. Likewise ACFC I think.


Holy sh*t, I actually agree with BlueMagic.


It only needs the NZFC votes. . . . bragging rights and unofficial table can be kept by the YF. The only fear is injuries during the games and getting weaken NZFC teams. However if there is a home/away mini trophy against each NZFC side, it might have some meaning and incentive. The teams wouldn't want to travel out of their own pockets nor gain an injury for actual NZFC competition. Hence the need for a meaningful competition. So a trophy between the different sides would make things competitive.

Besides that. . . . I agree with BlueMagic . . . and somewhat feeling very dirty.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not playing because you might get injured is like not going out 'cos you might get hit by a bus. Look at your sig, Allwhitebelievr.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
AIS?


Eligibility Critieria attached, it states that "The selection criteria used for each scholarship varies based on the sport, but will usually require current (or pending) Australian citizenship and national championship-level performance."

See attached data for more: http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/scholarships/how_to_apply
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There is [was] an indeer league up at Newtown. put a nix 5 a side team in that.
 
My job here is done, thagyuvirrimurdge..
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s2art wrote:
Not playing because you might get injured is like not going out 'cos you might get hit by a bus. Look at your sig, Allwhitebelievr.


Its not me that have a problem with it, its the clubs that may have a problem. It is usually the base of all Club vs Country debate and the same can be brought by the NZFC club in playing a team that has no relevant important to them and they could lose a player by injury when it would best used for the club in an important match.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Phoenix bid for reserve side in NZFC (5 March)

More recently:

Other significant issues on Pignata's radar are pressing New Zealand Football for a reserve team in the next NZFC, and monitoring the licence extension saga.
(source)

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I think I read the other day that NZF wanted the reserve team in the comp, were going to remove the clause that means all the other teams get a say, and would go to FIFA to get it ratified.
 
Wouldn't it be nice (and I know politics are at work) if everyone could sit down, and nut out this licence thing and the reserve team? FIFA make the two rulings and we get on with it.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
New Zealand Football will lobby Fifa at the end of the month to allow the Wellington Phoenix to enter a team in a revamped national league.
 
If we don't take the chance to get a team in the official A-League youth setup, we might never get in.
 
And if 'Mr Asia' one day takes over from Sepp Blatta he could take a second run at getting us thrown out, contract or not! 
 
If we have both feet in the A-League - top flight and youth level - it would make us harder to ditch. 
 
Our 'clout' with FFA may be as good today as it will be any time in the near future so we should force the issue while we're in such a strong bargaining position. 
 
If they'll allow our top side in with a dispensation for Kiwi players, why not a youth side under with the same provisions?  
 
"That'll be two licences thanks, cobber!"
 
 
 
scribbler2010-03-17 11:57:00
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Screw the Youth League, how do the Phoenix get a team in the W-League? And do they need a goalie? ;-)

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
...how do the Phoenix get a team in the W-League?


Hmm... well, first we need to ship an awful lot of ice to the respective hells of Zurich and Kuala Lumpur, depending on where the devil happens to be at the time. Apart from prospective goalies performing tricks for said devil, that's all I've got.

Someone will be smarter, surely.*KR*2010-03-17 12:29:27
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scribbler wrote:
Doloras wrote:
New Zealand Football will lobby Fifa at the end of the month to allow the Wellington Phoenix to enter a team in a revamped national league.
 
If they'll allow our top side in with a dispensation for Kiwi players, why not a youth side under with the same provisions?  
 
 


I though that was one of Bin Hamman's gripes? If he gets the top job at FIFA would that position change (funnily enough it might knowing how opinions change at FIFA depending on the wind and so on).
diego's son2010-03-17 19:06:43
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
*KR* wrote:
Doloras wrote:
...how do the Phoenix get a team in the W-League?


Hmm... well, first we need to ship an awful lot of ice to the respective hells of Zurich and Kuala Lumpur, depending on where the devil happens to be at the time. Apart from prospective goalies performing tricks for said devil, that's all I've got.

Someone will be smarter, surely.


Find a big sugar DADI
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Could bin Hamman get the top job? We'd be up the creek then, wouldn't we?

Would it be possible for each of the NZFC clubs to each take on a professional player or two, so that the Nix reserves could get some game time? It probably wouldn't work, and it is probably a rubbish idea, but it is an idea. Someone fine tune it for me, cheers.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh, and our newly formed Thames social team is playing Thames High School on Sunday, if any Nix reserves want to play, they're welcome. Anyone got Mulligan's number?
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm sorry, but a FIFA president blatantly killing Football in Oceania would cause uproar all over, would he wouldn't be that stupid? At least Sepp is giving us a fighting chance.
You know we belong together...

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
NZF pushing FIFA on allowing a Phoenix reserves team in the NZFC worries me as it appears as if we want our cake and eat it too (i.e. playing in an AFC nation competition on one hand but also want the right to play in the NZFC). I'd still much prefer a youth team playing in Australia somehow - i.e. go 100% in one direction.

I suspect the current problem with MBH is that he needs to pander to his power base in the middle east, who are a bit anti Australia being in the AFC. If he were to become FIFA president he would need to be seen to be promoting football everywhere  - therefore his personal position could well change.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lets just drop out of Oceania and then getting a youth team into Aussie wou.ld be easier or having one in the NZFC aswell.
 
The oceania region gave a soft entry to the WC this year, it wont be there in another 4. Also we wont get meaningful friendlies all the way here, but if we join asia, good teams like Japan will have to come.
 
Dropping Oceania will sole many many issues for us in the future
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TouchMe wrote:
Lets just drop out of Oceania and then getting a youth team into Aussie wou.ld be easier or having one in the NZFC aswell.
 
The oceania region gave a soft entry to the WC this year, it wont be there in another 4. Also we wont get meaningful friendlies all the way here, but if we join asia, good teams like Japan will have to come.
 
Dropping Oceania will sole many many issues for us in the future
 
I agree completely. Is there anyone here that sees benefit to us remaining in Oceania? And has Football New Zealand made any steps towards entering Asia?
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Easy qualification to Olympic, U17 and U20 competitions, plus a World Club Cup place.

There are advantages.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Being in Oceania means guaranteed entry to all big international tournaments for all our women's teams and all our boy's teams - in fact, virtually everyone except for the All Whites themselves. Which is great for the lower levels of the sport. It would cost us big $$$ which we don't have to have to fly the U-17s etc. out to Qatar and South Korea, rather than Fiji and Vanuatu (where the weather is nicer anyway).

So for everyone except the elite levels of the game, Oceania is a better bet. But it's those elite levels (inc. the Phoenix) that get the big media coverage and sponsorship $$$. So it's tricky.Doloras2010-03-18 09:08:22

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well sumarised.
 
Needs a new (or find the old) thread if we're going to run down that rabit hole.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Easy qualification to Olympic, U17 and U20 competitions, plus a World Club Cup place.

There are advantages.

Add in Confed cup and all the $$$ that go with qualification to fifa comps.

Just we dont get lots of games against good opposition to develop players or increase the national teams profiles. as discussed earlier, might not be able to afford this in the long term.
Bullion2010-03-18 10:55:45
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ah, true. This is far too complicated. I'm getting back to work!
 
Actually, maybe I won't get back to work. Is it possibly not more beneficial for our age group, women's and Olympic team to go through a tougher qualification tournament through Asia or wherever, rather than a receive simple almost automatic entry into tournaments and play three group games before going home? Apart from the cost of flying to games for qualifications, I think the players will get more out of it.
Footpaul2010-03-18 10:39:24
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Footpaul wrote:
Ah, true. This is far too complicated. I'm getting back to work!
 
Actually, maybe I won't get back to work. Is it possibly not more beneficial for our age group, women's and Olympic team to go through a tougher qualification tournament through Asia or wherever, rather than a receive simple almost automatic entry into tournaments and play three group games before going home? Apart from the cost of flying to games for qualifications, I think the players will get more out of it.

That is what Australia argued and a reason for moving to Asia, along with WC qualification through Asia rather than a potential playoff against tougher opposition, Argentina and Uruguay in the past.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Footpaul wrote:
Could bin Hamman get the top job? We'd be up the creek then, wouldn't we?

Would it be possible for each of the NZFC clubs to each take on a professional player or two, so that the Nix reserves could get some game time? It probably wouldn't work, and it is probably a rubbish idea, but it is an idea. Someone fine tune it for me, cheers.


This would rule any younger players on NZFC teams ineligible for college football in the US. They're allowed to play against professionals, but not alongside professionals, in order to keep NCAA eligibility.


PS I think I remember earlier in the thread concerns about FIFA allowing professional teams to play in amateur leagues? I'm pretty sure it's already happening - the USL Premier Development League has recently begin to allow professional clubs to compete, including the youth team for Vancouver Whitecaps.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I didn't say it was a good idea!
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Footpaul wrote:
I didn't say it was a good idea!


You also said it probably wouldn't work, so I was just backing you up
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Screw the Youth League, how do the Phoenix get a team in the W-League? And do they need a goalie? ;-)
Need to get Keys to fund that. The W-League is funded completely  by the Federal Government and broadcast on ABC TV.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I suppose its better than nothing but it does seem crazy that we cannot get it too work somehow. Midweek away means us Wellington Feverites won't get to see the Nixettes play any of the Auckland sides.

Not sure why they don't have a bye round in the NZFC comp and the Nix play the team with the bye every weekend...assuming there is an uneven number of teams.....no points given coz its an unofficial practice game.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:
Not sure why they don't have a bye round in the NZFC comp and the Nix play the team with the bye every weekend...assuming there is an uneven number of teams.....no points given coz its an unofficial practice game.
 
I believe this option is still on the table.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:
Not sure why they don't have a bye round in the NZFC comp and the Nix play the team with the bye every weekend...assuming there is an uneven number of teams.....no points given coz its an unofficial practice game.


That sounds like the road they'll go down, it doesn't piss Fifa off and the Nix reserves are still playing consistent football.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This could be a very good thing.  As has been said if we are fully involved in the A-League (so youth team as well) it'll be harder to kick us out.  So now we aren't being tied down into the NZFC we are only playing friendlies - it's not part of a competition and won't jeopardize funding from the pokies or NCAA contracts for our youth and leaves the door open to get into Australia's NYL.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Also no repeat of the pre-season tour to China     Can we cancel the World Cup?
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WC come and gone and coining that great phrase - "Didn't they do well!!!"

Everyone saying we need to ensure we leverage this for the future and Ricki mentioned the importance of a Nix youth team.

Is anyone listening at the right places and moving from words to action?

Some good youth players on display against Boca - we need them playing regular football along with those players on the fringes,

I believe some report and recommendations were put through NZ soccer.
Anyone 'plugged into the admin of NZ soccer' able to give us an update.....


Hopefully we have moved past self interest of individual clubs to recognise we need this sorted asap for the best interest of nz soccer/football and give our kids with potential the best opportunity to carve out a career in the beautiful game we love
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I-C-Red Devils wrote:
WC come and gone and coining that great phrase - "Didn't they do well!!!"Everyone saying we need to ensure we leverage this for the future and Ricki mentioned the importance of a Nix youth team.Is anyone listening at the right places and moving from words to action?Some good youth players on display against Boca - we need them playing regular football along with those players on the fringes, I believe some report and recommendations were put through NZ soccer.Anyone 'plugged into the admin of NZ soccer' able to give us an update.....Hopefully we have moved past self interest of individual clubs to recognise we need this sorted asap for the best interest of nz soccer/football and give our kids with potential the best opportunity to carve out a career in the beautiful game we love


what youth players were on display against Boca? One. Pavlovic? He's an aussie.
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Six NZ youth players plus Pavlovich at training today.

Nix youth will not play competititively in the NZFC in the indefinite future.  Final word.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is that to say they will play in the NZFC but not competitively or they won't play at all?
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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ah so they haven't gotten over themselves yet then. Starting to come back down from the world cup,nothings changed.Tegal2010-07-26 19:11:35

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