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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well, I don't know what they mean, but they're interesting.
Maybe a way to interpret it would be looking at completed passes vs time in possession. Cause you can take no. of passes either way, but time not in possession does tend to hurt you.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'd have thought that number of passes attempted/completed reflects the amount of possession you have. The lower the figure, the less possession you have. And vice versa.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not necessarily. We tend to run down the wings quite a lot, and siggy/dura etc with their runs through the middle. Surely that wouldn't count as a pass, but eats up a bit of possession. I mean, it would be pretty similar, but may change it a little??
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I also think that our lack of pace in the strikers makes it harder to play a possession game. Defences can safely push up higher on us reducing the space in the middle.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
righto,
 
Shots on target...how many have we have.  Answer at 1pm.
 
Shots on target Roar 174 Mariners 172 Sydney 164 Heart 157 Gold Coast 144 Adelaide 130 Victory 126 Jets 124 Glory 123
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'll go for 131
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I am not going to take this fred seriously until there is a couple of bar graphs, a scatter plot with a polynomial regression line and a PCA graph (to satisfy the social scientists out there).
 
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hlmphil wrote:
Not necessarily. We tend to run down the wings quite a lot, and siggy/dura etc with their runs through the middle. Surely that wouldn't count as a pass, but eats up a bit of possession. I mean, it would be pretty similar, but may change it a little??


Don't think so. Running with the ball doesn't really take that much time , eventually you have to pass it around to get somewhere. It's not Playstation football so you can keep sprinting down the wings the whole game.

But I guess the possession stats are also influenced by set-pieces (goal-kicks, corners, free kicks) so maybe we don't come out as badly in possession stats as our passing stats would seem to suggest.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
rjmiller wrote:
I also think that our lack of pace in the strikers makes it harder to play a possession game. Defences can safely push up higher on us reducing the space in the middle.


Agree with this.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Don't think so. Running with the ball doesn't really take that much time , eventually you have to pass it around to get somewhere. It's not Playstation football so you can keep sprinting down the wings the whole game. 
 
You can't do that in "Player Mode" either.  I play as LWB.  It's hard (and I'm rather sh!te).
 
 
 
 
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
133

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:


Popint taken but So does red cards eventually,�but you get my drift�
True, and indeed I do. Goal difference is fairly important, but if we get enough points it might be worthless.

Wonder how often it comes into play. Cant remember for instance if a team ever won the EPL through GD? Suppose that becomes statistically more unlikely the more games played

The HAL has had a lot of close finishes, I'm sure at least one season has come down to goals scored - 2008�09 season Melbourne and Adelaide finished on 38 points with a GD of +12, Melbourne won the league scoring 39 to Adelaide's 31.

The 2007-2008 season was decided by GD, CCM pipping Newcastle by GD difference of 1 goal.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
righto,
Shots on target...how many have we have.�

134
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I suspect Phoenix would be pretty high on this stat?
160+
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lots if we include all the times that Warner and Paston have tried.
 
 
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Junior822012-03-15 13:01:06

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Shots on target Roar 174 Mariners 172 Sydney 164 Heart 157 Gold Coast 144 Phoenix 134 Adelaide 130 Victory 126 Jets 124 Glory 123
 
Good work Bullion, unless you cheated.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ok some nix squad questions. Here are the top 5 and bottom 5 of minutes played for our squad (exlcuding non-appearence).  Who fills the places.
 
2160 2116 2070 2070 2067
 
 
875 380 375 255 107
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:


Popint taken but So does red cards eventually,�but you get my drift�
True, and indeed I do. Goal difference is fairly important, but if we get enough points it might be worthless.

Wonder how often it comes into play. Cant remember for instance if a team ever won the EPL through GD? Suppose that becomes statistically more unlikely the more games played


The SPL came down to goal difference a few years back.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Andrew Durante 2160
Ben SigmUnd 2116
Tim Brown 2070
Manny Muscat 2070
Chris Greenacre 2067

Note to whoever is updating Phoenix wiki page, playing time is not matched with actual figures
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Ok some nix squad questions. Here are the top 5 and bottom 5 of minutes played for our squad (exlcuding non-appearence).  Who fills the places.
 
2160 - Durante
2116 - SigmUnd
2070 - Muscat
2070 - Greenacre
2067 - Brown
 
 
875 - Ward
380 - Pavlovic
375 - Griffiths 255 - Downey 107 - Tsatalios

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Shots on target Roar 174 Mariners 172 Sydney 164 Heart 157 Gold Coast 144 Phoenix 134 Adelaide 130 Victory 126 Jets 124 Glory 123
 
Good work Bullion, unless you cheated.
So GCU are 5th in the league for shots on target, but 2nd last for goals scored. How does that work? Are they all at the keeper?
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
patrick478 wrote:
133[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=2ndBest]
Phoenix 134
Good work Bullion, unless you cheated.


Damn, my guess was ridiculously close.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hlmphil wrote:
So GCU are 5th in the league for shots on target, but 2nd last for goals scored. How does that work? Are they all at the keeper?

No, at least not unless the stats the commentators kept blabbering on about were incorrect. Gold Coast were apparently near the top for total shots at one stage, but too many of them were off target.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Good work Bullion, unless you cheated

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not sure I believe this as this implies manny played 90 minutes in the games he has started.  Yet he was sent off in one.  Brown the same, although his was in injury time.
Durante 2160 SigmUnd 2116 Brown 2070 Muscat 2070 Greenacre 2067 Daniel 875 Pavlovic 380 Griffiths 375 Tsattalios 255 Downey 107
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ok next up.  Nix have had 10 scorers.  Here are their goals per shot.  Where do the scorers rank.
 
0.25 0.17 0.17 0.13 0.13 0.12 0.11 0.11 0.09 0.06
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0.25 Siggy
0.17 Manny
0.17 Durante
0.13 Sanchez
0.13 Pavlovich
0.12 Ward
0.11 Ifill
0.11 Daniel
0.09 Greenacre
0.06 Brown
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2 correct.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thinking about it some more I'm guessing I have Pav too high, he had about 5 shots in one movement against Gold Coast. Sanchez is probably too high as well.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
0.25 Manny
0.17 Ifill
0.17 Durante
0.13 Ward
0.13 Sanchez
0.12 Daniel
0.11 Siggy
0.11 Pavlovich
0.09 Brown
0.06 Greenacre
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0.25 Durante
0.17 Daniel
0.17 Muscat
0.13 Smith Siggy
0.13 Paav
0.12 Ward
0.11 Brown
0.11 Ifill
0.09 Sanchez
0.06 Smithpatrick4782012-03-15 15:03:21

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SigmUnd 0.25 Ifill 0.17 Pavlovic 0.17 Durante 0.13 Brown 0.13 Sanchez 0.12 Daniel 0.11 Greenacre 0.11 Muscat 0.09 Smith 0.06
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2ndBest wrote:
SigmUnd 0.25 Ifill 0.17 Pavlovic 0.17 Durante 0.13 Brown 0.13 Sanchez 0.12 Daniel 0.11 Greenacre 0.11 Muscat 0.09 Smith 0.06


Nick Ward scored in Dunedin.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Paul Ifill Utility (Midfield/Striker)  (Barbados) Wellington Phoenix 7   Tim Brown Central Midfielder  (New Zealand) Wellington Phoenix 5   Dani Sanchez Striker  (Spain) Wellington Phoenix 5   Chris Greenacre Striker  (England) Wellington Phoenix 4   Daniel Attacking Midfielder  (Brazil) Wellington Phoenix 2   Mirjan Pavlovic Striker  (Australia) Wellington Phoenix 2   Ben SigmUnd Central Defender  (New Zealand) Wellington Phoenix 2   Nick Ward Attacking Midfielder  (Australia) Wellington Phoenix 2   Andrew Durante Central Defender  (Australia) Wellington Phoenix 1   Manny Muscat Left Full Back  (Australia) Wellington Phoenix 1   Alex Smith Striker  (United States of America) Wellington Phoenix 1  
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My bad. Missed him out somehow.  he's on 0.14
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who are our top 5 passes per minute played.
 
0.37 0.32 0.31 0.29 0.28
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
rjmiller wrote:
hlmphil wrote:
So GCU are 5th in the league for shots on target, but 2nd last for goals scored. How does that work? Are they all at the keeper?

No, at least not unless the stats the commentators kept blabbering on about were incorrect. Gold Coast were apparently near the top for total shots at one stage, but too many of them were off target.
But that stat was shots on target. I'm still confused.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Who are our top 5 passes per minute played.


0.37 Griffiths
0.32 Durante
0.31 Smith
0.29 Siggy
0.28 Muscat
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You've got two names right, but in the wrong position.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
Not sure I believe this as this implies manny played 90 minutes in the games he has started.� Yet he was sent off in one.� Brown the same, although his was in injury time.



Wasn't Manny's also in stoppage time vs perth?

edit: looks like it was Match reportJarrodM2012-03-15 16:21:18
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