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Phoenix Striker

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Phoenix Striker
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The club has made some excellent signings for the coming season. However, it's slightly disturbing to see Tony P announce that the recruitment is over for now, which means we will pretty much be relying on a single proven/experienced striker (Shane Smeltz).
 
I think this is a risky strategy when you look at the quality of recruitment of strikers by the other clubs and despite us having accumulated some good attacking midfielders.  The strategy is placing a huge reliance on Smeltz, including that he will be on top of his form throughout the season and/or that he won't be injured.  The other thing to consider is that recruiting a top, classy striker should attract more 'bums on seats'.  By attracting a big name player, the club would obtain a good way of marketing itself.
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Thats easy to say. But what big name player would we sign? Anyone has to be the right kind of player,and not some crap old timer whos just here for the paycheque
 
We also have Daniel who can play up front,Barbourouses,Kwasnik,coveny. I admit that theyre not all out and out strikers,and i see what your saying,but...she'll be right

Allegedly

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You mean like SFC did with Aloisi? We'll see if it works for them :)

I'd be far more concerned about Right Back, but as many on this forum will tell you, there is not a SINGLE RIGHT BACK IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that would play for the Phoenix. Sucks to be us.
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Agree with you about the right back position Aussienixfan.  It was a big problem area last season and I'm not convinced we've done enough to plug that gap.
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aussienixfan wrote:
You mean like SFC did with Aloisi? We'll see if it works for them :)

I'd be far more concerned about Right Back, but as many on this forum will tell you, there is not a SINGLE RIGHT BACK IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that would play for the Phoenix. Sucks to be us.


Sydney have Brosque too

a.haak

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amxfc, i think u have just highlighted issues that have already been done here a lot no offence. for one i think u r forgeting we have coveny who is a smeltz like player, who is a more than able source of cover for the man, and kwasnik was signed as a sort of second striker who runs off smeltz, so theres your front 2 if u want a front 2. 4-4-2 is not the be all and end all, if u watched the spain game this morning, russia contained 2 strikers quite well, but when face with 5 free passing midfielders they stuggled and conceded 3 goals. we will not be relying on smeltz by any means. and dont forget costa and even draper could get some time. i think your looking at this in the wrong way

also by other a-league teams recruitment i assume u mean formostly sydney, because apart from that theres like christiano and dadi(lol). i can't think of any more, but so far i would say on paper we have the best midfield in terms of attacking power, and a striker is only as good as the service he gets at times. o and as has already been mentioned again u seem to take for granted the fact that thee magically is a striker available who is a big name, but can still play and will get bums on seats. its not that easy, its easy to say lets do it, but finding a big name who can still play is another story.

and aussienxfan, its not about finding a right back who will play for us, its about finding a riht-back first, they would have looked and looked, there is a shortage of quality right-backs, if we can get the players we have got, i dont think ther would have been a problem getting a RB here if a good one was available. a lot of the aussie teams dont ave a genuine right-back, who kows after this season we could call Lia that.

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just chilax bro
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lol sorry that wasnt meant to be angry, or sound it
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I agree the situation ain't ideeal but you have to remember that the a-league is sttill very young and you're inevitably going to find teams who simply cannot find players to fill certain positions, and if there isn't an aussi or kiwi rightback to fill that hole I'm not sure the nix would use one of it's four internaional spots for a half decent one. Remember that although they aren't actual right backs we do have depth in defence now, and as muso said, maybe Lia can do the job
You know we belong together...

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i meant that evrything will work out sweet, we have got Ricki Hebert!
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Every single team in the league has 2 or 3 problem areas. We're no different. With the salary cap you're always going to have those.
valeo2008-06-28 11:46:07

a.haak

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No offence taken Muso - good reply.  I guess it's a pity we missed out on Joel Porter, but I'm sure overall Ricki will get the squad working well.
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axmfc wrote:
The club has made some excellent signings for the coming season. However, it's slightly disturbing to see Tony P announce that the recruitment is over for now, which means we will pretty much be relying on a single proven/experienced striker (Shane Smeltz).
 
I think this is a risky strategy when you look at the quality of recruitment of strikers by the other clubs and despite us having accumulated some good attacking midfielders.  The strategy is placing a huge reliance on Smeltz, including that he will be on top of his form throughout the season and/or that he won't be injured.  The other thing to consider is that recruiting a top, classy striker should attract more 'bums on seats'.  By attracting a big name player, the club would obtain a good way of marketing itself.
 

What I did say was that for now we are satisfied with the squad and we will wait until the pre-season cup is finished to see if we need to add to the squad. We have two spots so we want some options. We may have an injury or require a certain type of player. This way we can then recruit a particular player. In terms of a big name striker I am not convinced. We have seen players like Jardel; Juninho etc come for big dollars and have not contributed a lot to the team. But you never say no so I always look at all options.

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with the squad size limit, it makes sense to have the flexibility that Tony and Ricki are after
 
and it gives us the possible excitment of a 'mid'-season transfer to look forward to
 
I thought injuries were covered under the replacement rule that clubs like Sydney seem to use to their advantage (e.g Bridges, from memory)
 
 
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muso wrote:
but so far i would say on paper we have the best midfield in terms of attacking power, and a striker is only as good as the service he gets at times[/QUOTE]Agreed. Melbourne Victory V2 is the example everybody knows. Even Allsopp looked good, lol.

muso wrote:
aussienxfan, its not about finding a right back who will play for us, its about finding a riht-back first, they would have looked and looked, there is a shortage of quality right-backs [...] i dont think ther would have been a problem getting a RB here if a good one was available. [/QUOTE]Granted, its more out of frustration, and I don't mean to say the club is useless. Hence the reason some clubs resort to imports (Alemao, Hyuk Su Seo) for this spot because it is no doubt a problem area. There were other options though - the Jets recruited Ontong (Adelaide UTD) for example.

It's just a bit disappointing that we couldn't fix what was surely one of our biggest issues last season, but I guess if it can't be done it can't be done :(

[QUOTE=TonyP]In terms of a big name striker I am not convinced. We have seen players like Jardel; Juninho etc come for big dollars and have not contributed a lot to the team.
Apart from equal highest assists in the league last year? Granted, he didn't live up to expectation through injury / not being played, but still - I would of loved for us to have had Juninho even despite this. Same can't be said for Jardel, although he would've linked up well with El**ch waiting in line at Courtenay Place BK.

Also, Aloisi now counts as a big dollar striker (the biggest as of this season). He only scored two less goals than Smeltzy last season, and it's not like he was there for the whole thing (although I'm sure that includes the finals, but you know what I mean).

Anyway, I'm sure we'll be fine and Smeltzy will rip it up, I dont mean to sound negative, and as said I'm not sure there was any big names available, or even that many strikers about.

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[QUOTE=muso]also by other a-league teams recruitment i assume u mean formostly sydney, because apart from that theres like christiano and dadi(lol). i can't think of any more,
Fabiano - Melbourne Victory. One to watch. Also, Sergio Van Dijk - Queensland Roar.aussienixfan2008-06-28 17:31:45
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There is something seductive about recruiting a big name player - raises the profile of the club and sells tickets. However I think that the initial "shot in the arm" you get from a big name wears off pretty quickly if you aren't getting results on the park. Big names come with big risks - they have big price tags, sometimes big egos and generally little emotional commitment to the club as they are just passing through - they'll stay as long as you are the highest bidder.

The best way to sell tickets is to win consistently playing attractive football. I am very happy with the Nix recruitment strategy - forget a big name and build a balanced squad of very good players commited to the Nix. Everything I have read about our new recruits tells me we have a squad of hard working "club and team first" players.
 
I think keeping a couple of spots up our sleeve until after the pre-season is a good strategy - as long as we are doing our homework on possible players to fill possible areas of exposure (e.g. wing back) in the meantime.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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aloisi went missing in the finals if i remember correctly (probably wrong lol)

n i think we have options at Rb is lia does turn out to be a failure, and i think the only way that will happen is if he loses his temperament and get to many cards or something, hes a pretty solid player.
if he doesnt work, christie isnt that bad an option, and he'll be better with 2 really solid centre backs, and even if that doesnt work, dodd can play there, and we have the depth to play him there, so i dont think we'll see us going back to a 3-5-2 this season
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Did we send scouts to Euro 2008?
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how would we afford a player in euro 2008?
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We'll take that Villa bloke

a.haak

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Tony P, did Daniel attempt to esatblish a better communication between Phoenix and Botafogo in Rio. I think it could be a lucrative arrangement, if done properly. The club could greatly benefit from a player coming from the club and maintaining a relationship.

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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or the Russian bloke, or the other Russian bloke...

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Russian? What are you on about?

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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DKP22 wrote:
Did we send scouts to Euro 2008?
 
Yes - Feverish
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DKP22 wrote:
Did we send scouts to Euro 2008?


Post of the year.

We will be signing Ashravin, Sneider and Silva next week. Sneider may be hitched as apparently he has to choose between us, and some small club, manchester fc or something...

Our scout at the tournament (feverish) didn't work out, he kept recommending all the most rubbish players, but by reports feverish spent most the tournament pissed off his face, and can't remember if he went to the game or not nevermind who played well.
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And perving at those portugese babes in his sig 

Allegedly

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I have given Tony P the details of the Romanian player agent I befriended.

Founder

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I reckon we should sign Dani Guiza. Best goal celebrations ever.
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definately guiza, let's grab ramos to fill that right back spot while we're at it 

You know we belong together...

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Does Sweinsteiger remind anyone else of Joel Griffiths???

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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You mean hes a nut puncher too?


Allegedly

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I have hated shweinsteiger since the sixth of july 2006 with all my heart

You know we belong together...

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shweinsteiger is the best name in football. He should have his on comic books, movies and action figures.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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thou shalt not speak badly of Smeltz, I love him and will smite you.
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smarah wrote:
thou shalt not speak badly of Smeltz, I love him and will smite you.


Even his ratty hair cut?
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chocnut wrote:
smarah wrote:
thou shalt not speak badly of Smeltz, I love him and will smite you.


Even his ratty hair cut?
 
Unfair to rats. No rodent would be seen dead in that semi-mullet mess.
 
Keep scoring goals for us, Smeltzy, but, please... lose the hair.
 
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Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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*smites*

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