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Phoenix Team? v Perth
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YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE    
 
                                                                        MOSS
 
        OLD-----------------------DODD------------------LOCHEAD
 
      ----------------- BROWN----------------
 
       DANIEL--------------------ALOISI-----------------FERRANTE
 
         ------------------FELIPE-------------------
 
  ---------BARAROUSES--------SMELTZ------------
 
SUBS: PASTON, REES, LIA, ELRICH, COVENY
 
???: BROWNLIE, JOHNSON, CHRISTIE,O'DOR...
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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i'd like to see Aloisi in thier for his leadership,

and because he's our form goalscorer at the moment 
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maybe Elrich instead of  Ferrante
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clark007e wrote:
maybe Elrich instead of  Ferrante
 
 
Yeah that was 50/50.
I think the formation has something going for it and looks attacking as well as having defensive cover.
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I wonder if we might go back to 4-4-2, (our current 3-5-2 , often ends up looking like 3-6-1)

partly so we can have a bit more width at the back to combat Leo B

also so that we can start with 2 strikers for a game we must win,

I'd not drop Rees, he's absolute quality at this level, has given us some steadiness at the back and freed Dodd up abit - lacks a yard of pace but makes up for it with his strength, positioning and timing of his tackles! ( also rees' great pass to set up the cov pen)
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tigers wrote:
I wonder if we might go back to 4-4-2, (our current 3-5-2 , often ends up looking like 3-6-1)

partly so we can have a bit more width at the back to combat Leo B

also so that we can start with 2 strikers for a game we must win,

I'd not drop Rees, he's absolute quality at this level, has given us some steadiness at the back and freed Dodd up abit - lacks a yard of pace but makes up for it with his strength, positioning and timing of his tackles! ( also rees' great pass to set up the cov pen)
 
Rees in for who?
How about 3-1-3-1-2?
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Rees in his usual position (ie for Old) if staying with 3 at the back

or alongside Dodd, if 4-4-2


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                                                                             MOSS
 
      REES-----------------------DODD------------------LOCHEAD
 
      ----------------- BROWN----------------
 
       DANIEL--------------------ALOISI-----------------ELRICH
 
         ------------------COVENY-------------------
 
  ---------BARAROUSES--------SMELTZ------------
 
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                                                                             MOSS
 
      REES-----------------------DODD------------------LOCHEAD
 
      ----------------- BROWN----------------
 
       DANIEL--------------------ALOISI-----------------ELRICH
 
         ------------------COVENY-------------------
 
  ---------BARAROUSES--------SMELTZ------------
 
 
Coveny as a midfielder?
 
Tell me your taking the piss...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The wooden spoon fight. and hopefully a game you can win and still give your chance at the finals.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yea rees would have to be there

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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Rees should be there
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Why does Daniel play on the right and Elrich on the left during games??? They're both oppositely footed, so why play them out of position? I know Daniel roams, but make him roam towards the left and give Elrich the bonus of being a right footed winger on the RIGHT of midfield.
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Barbarouses definitely needs to make the 1st X1 or to make the bench at least. Great pace, great touch; just like Zullo and Kruse from Queensland.

I think we should stick with 3-4-3 at home with

------------------------Moss

----Rees--------------Dodd------------------Lochead


Daniel------------Aloisi-------------Johnson--------Lia


Barbarouses------------Smeltz------------Coveny


Bench; Brown, Filipe, Old, Ferrante

Aloisi for his leadership and goal scoring.
Lia because he has been outstanding of late.
Johnson, i think it is clear we missed him the last 2 weeks.
Old is better than O'Dour.

Brownlie missed last night and isn't as quick as Covz.
Smeltz and Covs work great as a team
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i think ur underestimating perth by having 3 non defensive players.

few things that i would change about your team, don't pressure the young lad after a good game in a friendly by putting him in 1 of our mos important a-league matches in the starting line up, put him back to the bench for an impact 25 mins.

with costa on the bench leave it with 2 stirkers, Covs with a bit of pace and height and smeltz to work off him, please put Daniel ack to the left dammit... and swap Johnson for Brown. Lia to the right and have Ferrante play inside of him. then at the 30 minute to 25 minute to go mark, chuck coast Elrich and Felipe on and they will destroy tired legs
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muso wrote:
i think ur underestimating perth by having 3 non defensive players.

few things that i would change about your team, don't pressure the young lad after a good game in a friendly by putting him in 1 of our mos important a-league matches in the starting line up, put him back to the bench for an impact 25 mins.

with costa on the bench leave it with 2 stirkers, Covs with a bit of pace and height and smeltz to work off him, please put Daniel ack to the left dammit... and swap Johnson for Brown. Lia to the right and have Ferrante play inside of him. then at the 30 minute to 25 minute to go mark, chuck coast Elrich and Felipe on and they will destroy tired legs
 
y worry about 3 non defensive players? Arnt they called backs?
Agree with some of your choices though. Who ever Rick picks make it 3-1-3-1-2, all are key spots but if it works the theory is
3-1-3-1-2 = 4 backs, 5 midfield & 3 strikers.
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------------------------Moss

----Rees--------------Dodd------------------Lochead


Lia-----------Aloisi-------------Johnson--------Daniel 

                 <------Barberouses------>
 
                                                -------Covney
                 ----Smeltz-----
 
Subs: Ferrante, Brown, Elrich, Felipe.
 
Chuck Elrich And Felipe On Last 35 Minutes To Settle Then Destroy..
But Then Again Smeltz Could Ask Bertos To Cross The Ball From Perths Attacking Half And Hit Him In The 18 Yard Box.
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Greek-Boi wrote:
------------------------Moss ----Rees--------------Dodd------------------Lochead Lia-----------Aloisi-------------Johnson--------Daniel�

              Ã¯Â¿Â½Ã¯Â¿Â½ <------Barberouses------>

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                                                -------Covney

                 ----Smeltz-----

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Subs: Ferrante, Brown, Elrich, Felipe.

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Chuck Elrich And Felipe On Last 35 Minutes To Settle Then Destroy..

But Then Again Smeltz Could Ask Bertos To Cross The Ball From Perths Attacking Half And Hit Him In The 18 Yard Box.


Great minds think a like ae. Exact team as me.
Costa deserves a start. What have we got to lose. Miracles have to happen if we are to make the finals. We may as well give the guy a run so he's better for next season when it counts!!!

Having Filipe and Elrich come on 35min to go means theyll be fresh and having more desire as there is competition between places in the starting line up
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auskiwi wrote:
muso wrote:
i think ur underestimating perth by having 3 non defensive players.

few things that i would change about your team, don't pressure the young lad after a good game in a friendly by putting him in 1 of our mos important a-league matches in the starting line up, put him back to the bench for an impact 25 mins.

with costa on the bench leave it with 2 stirkers, Covs with a bit of pace and height and smeltz to work off him, please put Daniel ack to the left dammit... and swap Johnson for Brown. Lia to the right and have Ferrante play inside of him. then at the 30 minute to 25 minute to go mark, chuck coast Elrich and Felipe on and they will destroy tired legs
 
y worry about 3 non defensive players? Arnt they called backs?
Agree with some of your choices though. Who ever Rick picks make it 3-1-3-1-2, all are key spots but if it works the theory is
3-1-3-1-2 = 4 backs, 5 midfield & 3 strikers.


no i mean having 3 strikers is waaaay to ambitious.. i.e. 3 strikers who would stay up and leave the defense already with less players, and i dont think we can afford to lose players on defense
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We are only playing against Perth here, it's not like there strikers are amazingly good!
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muso wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
muso wrote:
i think ur underestimating perth by having 3 non defensive players.

few things that i would change about your team, don't pressure the young lad after a good game in a friendly by putting him in 1 of our mos important a-league matches in the starting line up, put him back to the bench for an impact 25 mins.

with costa on the bench leave it with 2 stirkers, Covs with a bit of pace and height and smeltz to work off him, please put Daniel ack to the left dammit... and swap Johnson for Brown. Lia to the right and have Ferrante play inside of him. then at the 30 minute to 25 minute to go mark, chuck coast Elrich and Felipe on and they will destroy tired legs
 
y worry about 3 non defensive players? Arnt they called backs?
Agree with some of your choices though. Who ever Rick picks make it 3-1-3-1-2, all are key spots but if it works the theory is
3-1-3-1-2 = 4 backs, 5 midfield & 3 strikers.
 
no i mean having 3 strikers is waaaay to ambitious.. i.e. 3 strikers who would stay up and leave the defense already with less players, and i dont think we can afford to lose players on defense
 
 
The player who sit behind the strikers IS a midfielder, our most attaking one. Whos that?
The midfielder in front of the defense is of course our most defensive one. Whos that?
Obviously no one on the field should have concrete boots, hense should be able to move forward, back and sideways. More options in attack and defense.
 
                        ST-----------ST
                <---------AMF--------->
           <--MF--------MF---------MF-->
                  <--------DMF--------->
             <-- BK-------BK----------BK-->
                                     K
 
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm starting to think after the last few games that the 3-5-2 doesn't work with the defenders we have. Rees is much too slow and Lochhead is too tempted to push up as he's the only one with pace. Think we should go to a back 4 again with Dodd and Rees in the middle.

a.haak

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Good to see your opinions count on this site, what ever happen to a democractic nation, freedom of speech??? Moderator please answer this?

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auskiwi wrote:
YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE    
 
                                                                        MOSS
 
        OLD-----------------------DODD------------------LOCHEAD
 
      ----------------- BROWN----------------
 
       DANIEL--------------------ALOISI-----------------FERRANTE
 
         ------------------FELIPE-------------------
 
  ---------BARAROUSES--------SMELTZ------------
 
SUBS: PASTON, REES, LIA, ELRICH, COVENY
 
???: BROWNLIE, JOHNSON, CHRISTIE,O'DOR...
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
your dropping Rees??? Seems a rather dangerous move gioven he's become the strongest link is our defence!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I don't understand why Old would be better than Rees. Old hasn't really impressed me at all this season.
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I dont see too many changes to the teams formation, a few players like Aloisi will come in. The only thing i am worried about is the pace perth posses. We will need to control the game, and slow them through midfield when they attack.

                      Moss
       Ress      Dodd      Lochead
                   Johnson              
Elrich   Alosi               Ferrante   Daniel  
               Felipe
                         Smeltz
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I thought the introduction of Coveny in the Adelaide game transformed the attack.  Up till then it looked blunt; afterwards always likely.  Height, pace and presence.  Lets not forget that we have not scored more than one goal now for TEN matches (inc Galaxy).  I think we have to have two strikers.  Smeltz and Cov to start.  Bararouses on the bench, to come on for a meaningful spell in the second half.
 
Rest of team pretty much as against Adelaide, only Q is how to integrate Alosi & Johnson.
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Drewy wrote:
We are only playing against Perth here, it's not like there strikers are amazingly good!
 
No,they are not good, but they sure carved up Melbourne  in the 1st 20 minutes last night.Should been 5-0 after 20 minutes, finishing was like ours, POOR 
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valeo wrote:
I'm starting to think after the last few games that the 3-5-2 doesn't work with the defenders we have. Rees is much too slow and Lochhead is too tempted to push up as he's the only one with pace. Think we should go to a back 4 again with Dodd and Rees in the middle.
 
Totally agree, we are to slow to have 3 in the back and our left and right halves dont get back in time to help out (they're too slow aswell!). It worries me when Lochy makes those runs through the middle, its just asking to be broken down and the ball popped back over his head. 
4-4-2 with Cov's up front with Smelts
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I'm going for a few changes:
 
                                Moss
 
Rees                        Dodd                 Lochhead
 
Elrich             Johnson      Aloisi           Daniel
 
                               Felipe
 
                      Coveny      Brownlie
 
Subs:  Paston, Brown, Smeltz, O'Dor
 
I think Coveny and Brownlie would work well together.  Vaughn causes problems for defenders and provides plenty of ball for his strike partner, and Brownlie is fast and backs himself to shoot.  Johnson and Aloisi are slightly ahead of Brown (not that he's done anything wrong), Johnson in particular is class.  Definitely want us to play with two up front.
Selhurst Park, 25 January 1995
What else could he have done?
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Brownlie backs himself to shoot.


How many shots did Smeltz have against Adelaide?

Some research has found that Smeltz has had 10 attempts on target  and 13 off for his 5 goals

http://www.a-league.com.au/default.aspx?s=hal_playerstats&showdetailstatisticstype=3&seasonid=97

http://www.a-league.com.au/default.aspx?s=hal_playerstats&seasonid=97&showdetailstatisticstype=5
Bullion2007-12-03 16:02:00
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Not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not (although 23 shots in 13 games is a pretty low figure for a striker).  Smeltz is a good player but given we're not going to be in the play offs now (I've resigned myself to that) I think we need to give some players (Costa, Brownlie) a chance to show they're worth perservering with.  Smeltzy also deserves more support up front if he plays.
Selhurst Park, 25 January 1995
What else could he have done?
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To the people that would leave out Felipe for Barbarouses: What crack are you smoking?

He played well in an exhibition match. He has showed a couple of glimpses in the trots he's had, but a straight swap starting him over Felipe? In a wooden spoon battle?? FFS
Love to see him get a trot off the bench but thats about it at this stage. Ricki hasn't resigned himself to being out of the play-off so until we are, lets leave the player development till then when results don't matter.

Unfortunately Rees and Dodd turn about as fast as the Titanic so you've got to play Lockhead for his covering pace when they beat those two on the counter attack. Thats the reasons why other clubs didn't sign them and its more evident in the last two games as opposition strikers have just decided to knock the ball ahead and beat them in a footrace.

THINK WITH YOUR HEAD, NOT YOUR HEART

                Moss

    Rees   Dodd   Lockhead

Elrich    Aloisi   Brown   Daniel
                Felipe

        Coveny      Smeltz
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and Brownlie is fast and backs himself to shoot.
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Royce Brownlie is not fast. With ball at feet, a mule is faster

[QUOTE=Cantona forever]
Johnson and Aloisi are slightly ahead of Brown (not that he's done anything wrong), Johnson in particular is class.

Agreed that Johnson is playing well but Ricki will support his All White Captain and play him
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I agree with Cantona Forever up front, Brownlee desereves a crack with Coveny, then bring Smeltzy on for Covs.
This 4 at the back is better then Lochhead can get forward more spend less time covering Dodds and Rees, so I'd play Old at right back.
 
Get Elrich to cut in from the left and have a crack while Brownlee drages the defense out of position and create space for Aloisi and Danile to come through.
 
Wear Gory down then use impact of the bench.
 
                      Mossy
 
Old        Rees        Dodd        Lochhead
 
Daniel      Johnson          Elrich
 
                    Aloisi
 
            Coveney   Brownlee
 
Subs - Smeltz Felipe Brown Paston
 
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I don't like Brownlie. I think he's a hack. Selfish player (he is a striker I guess, but still) which would be fine if he actually had some talent and could beat players.

I rate Coveny and Smeltz way way way above him.

Johnson has been class the last few games that he's played. Aloisi seems to be hitting some form finally too. They both should start. I'm not sure why they played v Galaxy but not Adelaide? I was a bit pissed off with that


valeo2007-12-03 17:21:00

a.haak

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Pudleypool wrote:
valeo wrote:
I'm starting to think after the last few games that the 3-5-2 doesn't work with the defenders we have. Rees is much too slow and Lochhead is too tempted to push up as he's the only one with pace. Think we should go to a back 4 again with Dodd and Rees in the middle.

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Totally agree, we are to slow to have 3 in the back and our left and right halves dont get back in time to help out (they're too slow aswell!). It worries me when Lochy makes those runs through the middle, its just asking to be broken down and the ball popped back over his head.�

4-4-2 with Cov's up front with Smelts


Same here. Rees is way to slow for us to only play 3 at the back, and every time our opponents attack with pace we look in whole heap of trouble. Back to 4-4-2 for me, with Coveny and Smeltz up front. Right back will still be a problem (it'd probably be Plodder or Old), but at least he'll have a bit more defensive cover around him.
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