Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2013/14

Surely he's not on that much money.

People do realise that buying out a contract doesn't clear cap space, right? Any  payment made to buyout the contract still has to be included in the cap. Yes we could get another international player in, but we'd still have Totori's payment under our cap as well.

We have our marquee spot available though, so paying out Totori will free up an import slot to allow us to sign another import who doesn't necessarily have to come under the cap. 

The word Marquee has been redacted from Gareths thesaurus and Dictionary.

True, but Welnix aren't going to buy a Marquee, sure they have previously stated this?

exactly, new coach will have to deal with the current squad he gets given with the possibility of re-signing 6 players who come off contract this year or bringin in new players.

This wouldn't be a "marquee"  player. It would be a normal squad player (i.e not on huge wages) who would fall slightly outside the salary cap. 

Playing with words Patrick they have effectively said no players will be paid outside the Salary Cap, whether it is a Marquee, youth Marquee, guest etc etc 

I am interested in this. They have said they will not sign a marquee player. If we do play with words for a moment, do we take this to be a big name player (which I do) or just a regular player whom can be designated as a marquee (lets use Fenton as an example) and his wages are over the cap. 

If I was a smart owner, I would designate Totori as my marquee then buy him out. His wages then no longer affect the salary cap. Boom!

They've also made no indication that we are going to release Totori, so all of this (including what I said about marquee's) is complete conjecture. I highly doubt that they will release Totori, so whether he is included in the cap or not is going to be irrelevant.

FFA have been a little stricter with marquees recently.

At one point we had McKain as marquee - but now I think they have to approve that the player is worthy of the marquee title? 

As I have said before, I think using the marquee spot just to increase the cap makes sense, meaning you fit 20 players in the cap, and 3 players (aussie, youth & international Marquees) - for example, Dura, Boyd, Stein get paid outside the cap, but on wages that are similar to what they would get under the cap, meaning we split the cap 20 ways, not 23 ways. It's silly to not use it that way at least.

even more cunning if you keep a smaller 20 man squad and only split the cap 17 ways..

FSE can make up rest of numbers

The FFA have a criteria for what they allow as a marquee player. Carlos might be able to be classed as one because of his previous history in the league. Just like how Smeltz is allowed to be one.

We have no one with an Australian cap, so cannot use any of them for an Australian Marquee player. I've never seen it clarified if we are not allowed to use a NZ'der for the Australian Marquee spot.

There is no 'Youth Marquee' but each club has a 150k allowance not included under the cap, that can be spread over 3 Homegrown Players. These are players under the age of 23, that have only ever played for that club in the A-League. So that basically means 150k of Lindsay, Fenton and Boyds wages are not included under the salary cap.

Oh absolutely agree but again if the club were smart and had people reading here, they would realise that some of the stuff we talk about, actually makes their job easier for them.

You could kill Totori, skin him, dry the skin out and use the leather to make a tent and there still wouldn't be enough for a marquee.

I think the smarter owner would sign the marquee player with international recognition (hopefully more Del Piero than Mario Jardel):

A: Gets more people to the game - that WOULD happen, even if only for the short term until if/when results hit the ground
B: Considering the implementation and growth of the Academy, having a former international around can only help with development.

But as you said, I think WelNix is shying away from the marquee idea. It wouldn't do for them to crowd-source -  "most fans know nothing about the game" etc.

You dont often read a post like that

I'm waiting for someone to pull out the racist call.

Finals appearances (alone) don't = revenue. Increased crowds do... so - will Welnix get more crowds investing in a more successful squad and support team (ie: coach, s&s, etc) that gets results on field to attract the fair weather Wellyfornians... or... do they throw some cash at a marquee and hope the crowds will come to see him play?

No option really.

 

 

*clapping hands emoticon*

Whilst the clubs have not made a profit in the past with the increased tv revenue for next year this might change or atleast bring them closer to the black.

And if it weren't for these big name marquee signings increasing the profile of the game then Australian Football would have never been able to negotiate the deal they just did.

These Marquees bring money in direct and indirect ways. Wellington and the league would benefit from it.

Don't think a marquee suits our club, honestly.

Also, that TV deal was in the works far before Heskey and ADP signed on - though obviously that wouldn't of hurt.

Merchandising as well - I don't know what cut clubs get from shirt sales but how many more people would have bought smurf shirts so they could put "del Piero" on the back? Why else do clubs keep signing David Beckham? :P

Of course for that to work you need a really high profile marquee and I'm not sure we could attract one to Wellington when we would be competing not only with the rest of the A League but with China, the UAE, the MLS, etc etc.

Nix need to find a marquee who will play for free - or if necessary under the rules, pay him and he donates the money back to the club.

Not so long ago, Oguchi Onyewu of AC Milan played for free at his own suggestion.

Actually, he's off-contract soon, so Gareth, phone him up and he's sure to understand that the Nix are much more deserving of his philanthropy than money-bags AC Milan...

 See:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8687672.stm

Monday, 17 May 2010:

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY - AC MILAN STAR TO PLAY FOR FREE

"Having effectively been unable to play for a year of his three-year deal, which was due to end in 2012, Onyewu negotiated a one-year contract extension and told the club he did not want a salary during his final year.

The American, who has recovered from his injury and is part of his country's World Cup squad, will now remain at the San Siro until the end of June 2013.

A club statement read: "Onyewu - who has been out for virtually the whole season due to injury, but who at this time is getting ready to face the World Cup adventure in South Africa with his national team - has become a star today with a significant gesture from a personal and professional standpoint.

"Onyewu has requested and obtained a contract extension from June 30, 2012 until June 30, 2013.

"With respect to that year, as was his wish, which has been appreciated by the club, Onyewu has asked not to receive any type of wages.

"This is an exemplary gesture that deserves our sincere congratulations."

 

Legal discussion surrounding such a situation:

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballers-playing-for-free.htm

Yeah....good luck with that.

The CBA has a minimum wage for players.

How many people would pay to play for AC Milan given the chance!

 

Now how many would do the same to play for the New Zealand Phoenix?

Gold coin....

I believe it's called a 'Koha' around these parts.

Definitely agree with you RE: the jury being out on marquee signings necessarily improving their team - I'd argue Del Piero got Sydney wins but that doesn't necessarily improve the team (if that makes sense).
The reason I'd advocate a marquee for the Phoenix is primarily a bum on seats proposition - if absolutely nothing else, it'd finally see an end to the dismissive reasoning for low crowds that was trotted out this season - "It's too cold/the city's away on holiday" etc. Feel free to correct my stats, but the only time I recall the crowd topping the 10K mark (again, concede that I might be off here) was Round 1, when everyone wanted the chance to see Del Piero play. Hell, there was an air of curiosity when Simon Elliot signed on for a bit.

Disagreeing on the Carle contention, but that's solely and only because I couldn't stand him - for some reason just the sight of him put the wind up me!