Are the phoenix going 2 have an under 20 team?
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Nope. Not in the planned A-League Youth League anyway.
valeo2008-01-22 19:35:56
valeo2008-01-22 19:35:56
a.haak
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Their trying to release one in the near future
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That would be funny
??? 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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That would be funny
Yes...it would..?
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I didn't even know there was a youth A Leauge?
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I didn't even know there was a youth A Leauge?
There's not. It's a new thing that's supposed to be starting next season.
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Brilliant idea, be great for Phoenix to have a team in it, is it
not sounding likely though? Anyone know why?
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Because we're in New Zealand and all the other clubs aren't. Cost
issues with that.
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As I understand it the majority of the costs will be covered
through funding from the Australian government which is only to be
spent on Australian sport. The Phoenix would likely have to pay a
significant amount to take part. Haven't heard anything official
yet though.
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there was a thread on this a few months back and from memory the
consensus was that it was unlikely we'd get in because there was
nothing in it for the aussies to help us develop our youth
players
but i wonder if they are becoming less parochial as they realise how good the Nix are for the A-League
yes it would cost a lot, and may or may not be worth the money it would cost in terms of developing players for the Nix
but it would be great to have for more quality football to watch and for young NZ players to aspire to
but i wonder if they are becoming less parochial as they realise how good the Nix are for the A-League
yes it would cost a lot, and may or may not be worth the money it would cost in terms of developing players for the Nix
but it would be great to have for more quality football to watch and for young NZ players to aspire to
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australia trying 2 stop our football development perhaps
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Not trying to stop, just saying why should they pay for it.
Perfectly reasonable... we should ask NZ Football to fund it... oh, hang on.
Perfectly reasonable... we should ask NZ Football to fund it... oh, hang on.
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I'm sure NZ Football would be pleased to!! The player levy will now
be $11 !!
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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NZ football - thats all ive written about that joke
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Theres a boy at my school who is pure class and should get one of
the under 20 spots for the nix!!! He is as good as Costa!
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Theres a boy at my school who is pure class and should get one of
the under 20 spots for the nix!!!
He is as good as Costa!
He is as good as Costa!
Well spill the beans who is the potential up and coming????
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Theres a boy at my school who is pure class and should get one of
the under 20 spots for the nix!!!
He is as good as Costa!
He is as good as Costa!
Well spill the beans who is the potential up and coming????
considering our friend lists his location as greece id be
amazed if a greek school kid took one of our u20 spots
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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And Id think he'd need to be exceptional like Costa, cos there aint
many kids Ive seen have his natural ability???
Maybe its his younger brothers LOL????
Maybe its his younger brothers LOL????
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And Id think he'd need to be exceptional like Costa, cos there aint
many kids Ive seen have his natural ability???
Maybe its his younger brothers LOL????
Maybe its his younger brothers LOL????
Bring him to Olympic FC first ...
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from SMH on feb 3rd
>>>Importantly for the local game, the A-League's fourth season will kick off later this year in tandem with a long-awaited national youth competition with teams representing all Australian-A-League clubs.
In the seven-team competition - Wellington Phoenix are excluded - youth players, including top-level prospects attached to the Australian Institute of Sport, will be contracted to A-League sides.
The format is to get young players playing 35 to 40 games a year, which their counterparts around the world are doing at a crucial development period, Buckley said. "That will, over time, help build better quality players for our national team � and it helps the A-League clubs build out their playing rosters with the best quality junior players in the country.
"We have overwhelming support from the clubs to introduce it." <<
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My spies in Aus tell me the main motivation for excluding us was in fact to get the AIS squad involved. They have been having issues with playing in the VPL and this conveniently solves a messy political problem without f**king anyone off - except us that is...
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Seriously I can't believe people here are expecting Australian football bodies to support NZ grassroots football. It just aint going to happen and it shouldn't happen.
If we could fund ourselves we would be in - simple as that.
valeo2008-02-12 11:14:58
If we could fund ourselves we would be in - simple as that.
valeo2008-02-12 11:14:58
a.haak
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Who is advocating the FFA pay for it Valeo ?
I can see 1 post that could be interpreted as that. What most people want is a place in the league for a Phoenix side IF we can fund it.
I can see 1 post that could be interpreted as that. What most people want is a place in the league for a Phoenix side IF we can fund it.
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The post above mine - saying that excluding us is all a big conspiracy to allow the AIS in..
valeo2008-02-12 11:36:57
a.haak
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That's not how I read it.
It solves an Australian political problem, I don't think Smithy is advocating anywhere in there that the FFA should be paying for our participation.
It solves an Australian political problem, I don't think Smithy is advocating anywhere in there that the FFA should be paying for our participation.
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It read to me like he thought that we had a right to be in the youth league..
Eh.
Eh.
a.haak
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man...we should start a petition of sorts and push it under the ministers door...
There was that post from Midfiedler or something saying how many millions above and beyond the regular sports body funding Australia was being allocated by the feds and then more by Queensland...
someone said it would only cost $300,000 to be in the youth league...surely that's low?
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It would be a low cost to pay if NZF weren't in serious debt, unfortunately they do not have anywhere near the funds we need avaliable so we just have to deal with it.
valeo2008-02-12 13:42:23
valeo2008-02-12 13:42:23
a.haak
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i expect that aussie dollars and aussie travel costs (they should toss perth out and let us in to push costs down 
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i also read smithy's post as being about the rationale for the "exclusion" not about the funding
the key point in the SMH story for me is that it (if accurate, and i think they would be) makes clear that it's not a funds issue - at this stage- it's about sports politics
it's an aussie comp and they get to make the rules, shame that they are so self-serving though that's human nature i guess
a really good conspiracy theory would be that we were invited in but couldn't justify the bucks and the FFA is covering our embarrassment with this story (but that seems too far fetched)
)i also read smithy's post as being about the rationale for the "exclusion" not about the funding
the key point in the SMH story for me is that it (if accurate, and i think they would be) makes clear that it's not a funds issue - at this stage- it's about sports politics
it's an aussie comp and they get to make the rules, shame that they are so self-serving though that's human nature i guess
a really good conspiracy theory would be that we were invited in but couldn't justify the bucks and the FFA is covering our embarrassment with this story (but that seems too far fetched)
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I'm pretty sure I read something about us being able to join it if we could come up with the funds..Can't back it up though.
a.haak
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3000 yellow fever members thats only $100 each, we can all pick the team by voting on this forum
obviously these are the first five spots
Richard Gray
Club: Wellington United
Age: 20
Dreams of: Not suitable for printing.
Rhys Glover
Club: Lower Hutt
Age: 14
Dreams of: Playing professionally.
Ethan Caine
Club: Kapiti Coast United
Age: 17
Dreams of: living in the big city one day.
Daniel Finlay
Club: Waikato FC
Age: 17
Dreams of: playing in Europe.
Riley Kelliher
Club: Karori
Age: 11
Dreams of: Playing for New Zealand and the Phoenix.
obviously these are the first five spots
Richard Gray
Club: Wellington United
Age: 20
Dreams of: Not suitable for printing.
Rhys Glover
Club: Lower Hutt
Age: 14
Dreams of: Playing professionally.
Ethan Caine
Club: Kapiti Coast United
Age: 17
Dreams of: living in the big city one day.
Daniel Finlay
Club: Waikato FC
Age: 17
Dreams of: playing in Europe.
Riley Kelliher
Club: Karori
Age: 11
Dreams of: Playing for New Zealand and the Phoenix.
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Valeo you misunderstood me. I agree with you. We have no right to be in the league, but the reason we're excluded is not financial primarily, it's to do with the FFA wanting to support the AIS.
Sloth: 3000 YF members can't even find 20 bucks for a party ticket!
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Valeo you misunderstood me. I agree with you. We have no right to be in the league, but the reason we're excluded is not financial primarily, it's to do with the FFA wanting to support the AIS.
Sloth: 3000 YF members can't even find 20 bucks for a party ticket!
we should be down confirming flights tonight the wife was keener than me
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There is one major stumbling block with it all. Transfers....
As the Phoenix are viewed as an Australian team, players need an international transfer to play for the club from being registered in NZ, hence why the Phoenix players can't play in the NZFC each and every week because there is a stand down period I think of 4 weeks (can't remember if that is coming back into NZ or on all transfers internationally)
You then have to find 22 kids, that are going to want to play youth league football only for an 'Australian club', because they aren't going to be able to go out and have a run with their old club or mates on a sat morning or whatever.
How many parents are going to agree to that?
Agent 472008-02-12 17:37:13
As the Phoenix are viewed as an Australian team, players need an international transfer to play for the club from being registered in NZ, hence why the Phoenix players can't play in the NZFC each and every week because there is a stand down period I think of 4 weeks (can't remember if that is coming back into NZ or on all transfers internationally)
You then have to find 22 kids, that are going to want to play youth league football only for an 'Australian club', because they aren't going to be able to go out and have a run with their old club or mates on a sat morning or whatever.
How many parents are going to agree to that?
Agent 472008-02-12 17:37:13
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sh*tloads.
Besides, we're not talking about kids we're talking about 18/19/20 year olds.
If there was a team in the league there would be not a single issue with filling its squad. Players who want to play at that level wouldn't miss that opportunity so that they could 'have a run with their mates on a Saturday morning or whatever.'
That kind of player would be the wrong kind and should be playing for Wharfies
Smithy2008-02-12 17:42:24
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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if only that were the biggest problem agent 47, then we'd be in a lot better position than we are at present
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Football Federation Australia (FFA) has moved to secure the future of
talented young players with the introduction of a National Youth League
in conjunction with the next Hyundai A-League season.
"The establishment of a national youth league competition was identified as a priority in the National Football Development Plan we released last November," said FFA CEO, Ben Buckley.
"This competition is particularly important because, for the first time, talented young players will have an opportunity to play regular, quality competitive games regardless of whether they are part of the AIS program, the State sports institutes or the State football leagues."
"There is also a clear link with the Hyundai A-League, as well as the various national teams in football at Under 17, Under 20, Under 23 levels, as well as the Qantas Socceroos."
"If you're a young, talented male athlete, football should be your sport of choice as it offers fantastic opportunities within Australia as well as unparalleled opportunities to wear the green and gold representing Australia on the global stage," said Buckley.
The national youth league will comprise seven teams, with each of the current Australian Hyundai A-League teams also having a youth team. This linkage is very similar to development models used throughout European and English football competitions.
"The key to improving the technical skills, proficiency and tactical maturity of players is playing games - and as many games as possible," said National Technical Director of FFA, Rob Baan.
"The new national youth league competition will provide players aged between 16-21 years of age a clear pathway from youth leagues to senior level and then on to professional level. When combined with existing State-based competitions, players in the national youth league will play between 35-40 games each year."
"For Australia to improve its competitiveness in world football at all levels, our players must be playing competitive matches against quality opponents during this critical development period for young, elite sportsmen," said Baan.
The integration with the AIS programs means that the best 16-17 year olds will not only be recruited to the AIS on scholarship, but also be offered contracts by Hyundai A-League youth teams. State Institute players will be used on a replacement roster when required.
Baan describe the national youth league as being of "paramount importance" to the future technical development of football players in Australia.
Buckley added that the National Youth League competition will assist in the current and future development of Hyundai A-League clubs also.
Each of the current seven Australian Hyundai A-League clubs will field youth teams and play 21 rounds (18 Matches + 3 Byes) in line with the Hyundai A-League 2008/09 season draw. These matches will be scheduled as either curtain-raisers to Hyundai A-League fixtures or the day after, depending on the preference of the club.
Sydney FC have already appointed AIS coach Steve O Connor as its Youth Coach.
National Youth League - Competition Details
Competition Format
7 clubs
o Adelaide United
o Central Coast Mariners
o Melbourne Victory
o Newcastle Jets
o Perth Glory
o Queensland Roar
o Sydney FC
Season: 21 rounds (18 games + 3 Byes)
National Youth League to commence August 2008
Age 16 - 21 (must be 16 on 1 January in year the Youth League commences), maximum age is 21; must be no older than 20 on 1 January in the year Youth League commences
15 Players on the team sheet.
Each Youth Player must receive a minimum of 30 minutes game time
4 over-age players (including Goal Keeper) allowed to play in Youth League Match
National Youth League Player Regulations
10 - 12 Youth Development Players per club
Youth Development Players will sign a Youth Development Agreement which is of amateur status
Minimum agreement period- 1 season
Maximum agreement period - 2 years
Hyundai A-League Clubs can select any player within the age group, must be Australian (or in the process of obtaining citizenship) and can be from the AIS.
Hyundai A-League clubs must draw replacement players from the Youth League Player Squad, except under certain circumstances.
"The establishment of a national youth league competition was identified as a priority in the National Football Development Plan we released last November," said FFA CEO, Ben Buckley.
"This competition is particularly important because, for the first time, talented young players will have an opportunity to play regular, quality competitive games regardless of whether they are part of the AIS program, the State sports institutes or the State football leagues."
"There is also a clear link with the Hyundai A-League, as well as the various national teams in football at Under 17, Under 20, Under 23 levels, as well as the Qantas Socceroos."
"If you're a young, talented male athlete, football should be your sport of choice as it offers fantastic opportunities within Australia as well as unparalleled opportunities to wear the green and gold representing Australia on the global stage," said Buckley.
The national youth league will comprise seven teams, with each of the current Australian Hyundai A-League teams also having a youth team. This linkage is very similar to development models used throughout European and English football competitions.
"The key to improving the technical skills, proficiency and tactical maturity of players is playing games - and as many games as possible," said National Technical Director of FFA, Rob Baan.
"The new national youth league competition will provide players aged between 16-21 years of age a clear pathway from youth leagues to senior level and then on to professional level. When combined with existing State-based competitions, players in the national youth league will play between 35-40 games each year."
"For Australia to improve its competitiveness in world football at all levels, our players must be playing competitive matches against quality opponents during this critical development period for young, elite sportsmen," said Baan.
The integration with the AIS programs means that the best 16-17 year olds will not only be recruited to the AIS on scholarship, but also be offered contracts by Hyundai A-League youth teams. State Institute players will be used on a replacement roster when required.
Baan describe the national youth league as being of "paramount importance" to the future technical development of football players in Australia.
Buckley added that the National Youth League competition will assist in the current and future development of Hyundai A-League clubs also.
Each of the current seven Australian Hyundai A-League clubs will field youth teams and play 21 rounds (18 Matches + 3 Byes) in line with the Hyundai A-League 2008/09 season draw. These matches will be scheduled as either curtain-raisers to Hyundai A-League fixtures or the day after, depending on the preference of the club.
Sydney FC have already appointed AIS coach Steve O Connor as its Youth Coach.
National Youth League - Competition Details
Competition Format
7 clubs
o Adelaide United
o Central Coast Mariners
o Melbourne Victory
o Newcastle Jets
o Perth Glory
o Queensland Roar
o Sydney FC
Season: 21 rounds (18 games + 3 Byes)
National Youth League to commence August 2008
Age 16 - 21 (must be 16 on 1 January in year the Youth League commences), maximum age is 21; must be no older than 20 on 1 January in the year Youth League commences
15 Players on the team sheet.
Each Youth Player must receive a minimum of 30 minutes game time
4 over-age players (including Goal Keeper) allowed to play in Youth League Match
National Youth League Player Regulations
10 - 12 Youth Development Players per club
Youth Development Players will sign a Youth Development Agreement which is of amateur status
Minimum agreement period- 1 season
Maximum agreement period - 2 years
Hyundai A-League Clubs can select any player within the age group, must be Australian (or in the process of obtaining citizenship) and can be from the AIS.
Hyundai A-League clubs must draw replacement players from the Youth League Player Squad, except under certain circumstances.
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