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Phoenix v Sydney - Nov 1 - match thread

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bopman wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Well, a lot better 2nd half, but the game was pretty well over by then and you get the feeling Sydney could've moved up a gear again if need be.
 
That penalty decision was just crap - how often is that rule actually enforced? I'm pretty sure a Sydney player was first into the box too! Had that been given, then MAYBE we'd have had a chance of nicking a draw. Bad luck really, although Daniel's 2nd effort was terrible.
 
There seemed to be a huge gap in the middle of the park a lot of the time that Sydney dominated for most of the game.
 
Didn't actually think Greenacre was that bad, although might've done better with a couple of chances that he had.
 
I would be keen to see Costa start up front with Greenacre on Wednesday. Drop Bertos, have Ifill on the right. Sydney (and Costa himself to an extent) showed what can happen if you have a bit of pace up front, something Greenacre cannot provide.
 
 
 
That was constructive and I have to agree with most of it. Although on the penalty Cole had a good chunk of Ifill's shirt and thats what I presume the pen was for so it seemed like more than a fair decision to me!
I think Steve-O was referring to the ref making Daniel re-take the PK, not the original decisionwolfman2009-11-01 23:30:01


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Isn't the line we're all looking for is something like " The eleven players who started today are all dropped, and the eleven that played against Gold Coast will be picked for the Newcastle game."?


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wolfman wrote:
Isn't the line we're all looking for is something like " The eleven players who started today are all dropped, and the eleven that played against Gold Coast will be picked for the Newcastle game."?



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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Terrible first half, but Sydney were class.

If only the penalty attempt had stood...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gota put this result behind us. we were a bit rattled after the start we had with paston going off, went 2-0 down and never recovered. i thought muscat was out paced to often and didnt look up to it.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think it should be all gloom and doom. we played pretty well except for 10 minutes. If that Pen had gone in it would have been a totally different game. Was it a Phoenix player that was in the box prior to pen being taken?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Both Lia and Cole encroached on the first attempt.
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Tyler wrote:
I don't think it should be all gloom and doom. we played pretty well except for 10 minutes. If that Pen had gone in it would have been a totally different game. Was it a Phoenix player that was in the box prior to pen being taken?
 
I think that might be a little generous to the boys in the first half. Yes we had some possession, but every time sydney attacked they scored or almost scored. The second half was much better though, and yes we had the better second half and weren't totally outplayed in the first but we were rattled, the injuries really set us back.
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Tyler wrote:
I don't think it should be all gloom and doom. we played pretty well except for 10 minutes. If that Pen had gone in it would have been a totally different game. Was it a Phoenix player that was in the box prior to pen being taken?
 
Had to be or it wouldn't have been retaken

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Tyler wrote:
I don't think it should be all gloom and doom. we played pretty well except for 10 minutes. If that Pen had gone in it would have been a totally different game. Was it a Phoenix player that was in the box prior to pen being taken?
 
Had to be or it wouldn't have been retaken
 
I just wondered why Durante complained so much.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've checked the Laws, it was a good call by the ref.
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Corrica was at least 2 yards offside for the second goal.
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DarthRich wrote:
Corrica was at least 2 yards offside for the second goal.



Yup, along with two other Sydney players.

Linespeople in this league are terrible, they seem to switch off and go to sleep when the first shot is taken, there is no way that goal should have stood.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Missed the match live but just watched the replay.
From some of the comments i thought we had been torn to bits but we were not that bad. The problem was we dropped intensity after those two early injuries and let in the first goal. Then we dominated for a while(75% possession for 10mins) but couldn't score and then bam bam they knocked intwo great goals
 
By the end of the game we had the most shots and most shots on goal.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Are the highlights on youtube yet?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
daniel shudnt take the penaltys missed one in the first season too!
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clark007e wrote:
Are the highlights on youtube yet?
 
The what?  Ah, I suppose we got a goal.  And theirs were pretty damn classy.

14/11/09

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Please put up a sydney gallery.
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Stefan wrote:
Please put up a sydney gallery.


TV Whore.
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wolfman wrote:
bopman wrote:
 
That was constructive and I have to agree with most of it. Although on the penalty Cole had a good chunk of Ifill's shirt and thats what I presume the pen was for so it seemed like more than a fair decision to me!
I think Steve-O was referring to the ref making Daniel re-take the PK, not the original decision
 
Yup. I have now edited the original post.
 
It seemed overly fussy of the ref to be honest, if this law was enforced to the letter then every penalty in every game would be retaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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I agree Steve-O.
To me it seems that encroachment only really matters if a penalty is saved and it therefore effects who gets to the follow up first. However, a law that depends upon the outcome of a penalty kick has an air of ridiculousness about it. At the end of the day, the referee made the right decision in accordance with the laws of the game, so fair play.

However, I'm wondering (here's looking at El Grap) if the same player is obligated to re-take the penalty? Or could someone other than Daniel have taken the second attempt?

Obviously there's no actual advantage in it for the 'keeper the second time but usually a penalty taker will have a spot where they like to put it, and so the second time it's a choice between sticking and twisting. If they stick, the 'keeper may now know where they're going. If they twist, it won't be as naturally confident a penalty and - as happened with Daniel - could end up being piss poor.

If a new guy steps up though, it's back to square one.
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Steve-O wrote:
It seemed overly fussy of the ref to be honest, if this law was enforced to the letter then every penalty in every game would be retaken.


So it's overly fussy to apply the laws of the game. OK then. Why bother with rules at all.el grapadura2009-11-03 08:17:10
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EvertonFC wrote:
However, I'm wondering (here's looking at El Grap) if the same player is obligated to re-take the penalty? Or could someone other than Daniel have taken the second attempt?


No, there's no obligation that the same player has to re-take the penalty.
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el grapadura wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
It seemed overly fussy of the ref to be honest, if this law was enforced to the letter then every penalty in every game would be retaken.


So it's overly fussy to aplly the laws of the game. OK then. Why bother with rules at all.
 
Common sense dictates that some rules are not applied ALL of the time. Players are often seen encroaching into the box at penalties. There is no consistency is what I am saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Happened with the Muscat pen. Should happen with every pen. Fair call. Was a silly thing to do - why encroach when you're 3-0 down? Why take the risk? 

a.haak

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Steve-O wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
It seemed overly fussy of the ref to be honest, if this law was enforced to the letter then every penalty in every game would be retaken.


So it's overly fussy to aplly the laws of the game. OK then. Why bother with rules at all.
 
Common sense dictates that some rules are not applied ALL of the time. Players are often seen encroaching into the box at penalties. There is no consistency is what I am saying.


So in essence, you are only complaining cause its against us because if it was the other way around, you wouldn't care?

Football is like all things in life, sometime people get lucky, sometimes they don't. How many times have you been speeding and not been caught? How many times and have you had that 3rd pint and still gotten in the car to drive and gotten home fine?

Where I am going with this is that yes it is a law, and while a minor one, it is still a law. You are going to find instances where it is picked up and not picked up - with it against us, or for us. Ultimately, whinging about being picked up on a law, regardless how minor, its still a law. If you ignore that one, what other ones do you want to ignore?

Its happened and if the Phoenix were smart, they'd learn from it and never repeat that mistake so they don't have to be subjected to that ever again.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sydney = Smurf Poos!
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Oceanic6 wrote:
Sydney = Smurf Poos!


Hey, you take that back!



"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
It seemed overly fussy of the ref to be honest, if this law was enforced to the letter then every penalty in every game would be retaken.


So it's overly fussy to aplly the laws of the game. OK then. Why bother with rules at all.
 
Common sense dictates that some rules are not applied ALL of the time. Players are often seen encroaching into the box at penalties. There is no consistency is what I am saying.


So in essence, you are only complaining cause its against us because if it was the other way around, you wouldn't care?

Football is like all things in life, sometime people get lucky, sometimes they don't. How many times have you been speeding and not been caught? How many times and have you had that 3rd pint and still gotten in the car to drive and gotten home fine?

Where I am going with this is that yes it is a law, and while a minor one, it is still a law. You are going to find instances where it is picked up and not picked up - with it against us, or for us. Ultimately, whinging about being picked up on a law, regardless how minor, its still a law. If you ignore that one, what other ones do you want to ignore?

Its happened and if the Phoenix were smart, they'd learn from it and never repeat that mistake so they don't have to be subjected to that ever again.
 
 
If it was a Sydney penalty, and one of their players was slightly in the box before the penalty was scored, I wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops for a retake, put it that way.
Steve-O2009-11-02 21:27:32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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I'm baffled why Daniel is the penalty taker anyway. He just doesn't seem to be the clinical type to be stepping up and hammering them home with confidence and accuracy.

Also, not meaning to throw too much critisism at Daniel, but what was all that sore arm stuff about at the beginning. We were a man down for 3-4 mins for what seemed to be a bit of an act to get a free kick. It was a tough tackle, but nothing too out of the ordinary. Any other player on there would have rubbed it and got on with it. A bit frustrating when the game has barely even got underway and the Nix are forced to hold back. 
 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He nailed the first one, and plenty of others have missed a retake.  As for the arm, he dislocated a shoulder and had to have it popped back in... not exactly a rub it better.

Plenty of players have left the pitch for exactly that injury and he played on.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The 1st went in, granted. He nailed it? I don't think so. He's no where near clinical for a penalty taker. Whipping in the free kicks - yep, good quality generally. His corners are on the money too. But penalties are not the job for him - in my opinion. I'm way more nervous watching him take one than I was watching Smeltz knock 'em in. The second one was an absolute shocker, regardless of it being a retake or not. He's a pro - and it was a penatly kick. I don't think he's my choice for the direct free kick stuff too. He doesn't hit 'em hard enough to worry the keepers.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Didn't you see him get his shoulder popped back in robman?? Jeez, some of the criticism is definately unfounded in this thread

a.haak

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Steve-O wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Steve-O wrote:

It seemed overly fussy of the ref to be honest, if this law was enforced to the letter then every penalty in every game would be retaken.
So it's overly fussy to aplly the laws of the game. OK then. Why bother with rules at all.

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Common sense dictates that some rules are not applied ALL of the time. Players are often seen encroaching into the box at penalties. There is no consistency is what I am saying.


There's a difference between players entering the box split second before the kick is taken - that's hard to spot as the referee's attention is elsewhere at the time - and guys being 3 metres into the box while the penalty taker isn't even halfway through his run-up.

These kind of calls get made all the time - and I've seen them and experienced them at all levels of football. Surprised you haven't, but maybe different rules apply in Scotland...
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robman75 wrote:

I'm baffled why Daniel is the penalty taker anyway. He just doesn't seem to be the clinical type to be stepping up and hammering them home with confidence and accuracy.

Also, not meaning to throw too much critisism at Daniel, but what was all that sore arm stuff about at the beginning. We were a man down for 3-4 mins for what seemed to be a bit of an act to get a free kick. It was a tough tackle, but nothing too out of the ordinary. Any other player on there would have rubbed it and got on with it. A bit frustrating when the game has barely even got underway and the Nix are forced to hold back. 
 


Are you sh*tting me - he dislocated his shoulder!!!

Edit:  and you don't need to 'smash' a penalty for it to be a good penalty.  A sider foot along the ground into the bottom corner will go in 99/100, and before we jump on the Smeltz bandwagon, i'm sure i remember him missing a couple early on.
aitkenmike2009-11-03 08:21:37
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Nah, same rule apply in Scotland, EG. Despite what Steve-O might like you to believe. Encroachment is one of those areas which won't get blown up every time, but players know they shouldn't encroach so they are playing russian roulette every time they do it. From what I could gather from the commentary, the referee had warned them about encroaching before the 1st kick was taken, so they should have known he was looking for it. We got stung on Sunday, next time we might get away with it. Can we just deal with it and move on, we didn't lose because Daniel missed the penalty.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Nah, same rule apply in Scotland, EG.


I know it does Jag, was just having a bit of a cheap shot, since with him everything starts with "Back in Scotland..."
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I know!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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You know, back in Croatia, if you encroach during a penalty kick, your left kneecap gets blown off by an AK47. So guess we were kind of lucky the game wasn't in Zagreb or Split or Osijek...
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