Phoenix v Sydney - Nov 1 - match thread

don't agree with you a lot but this time you're on the money. get some footage of most penalties and there will be encroachment, almost guaranteed

when was the last time you saw a pen retaken for encroachment in any league other than the A-League?

EDIT: I've just seen that again on video that is an absolute shocker from the ref. Find me a pen at professional level where there isn't a player half a yard in like that. Terrible decision, can't believe people are defending this? Have you played the game?james dean2009-11-03 09:01:11

Off the top of my head, and in games I personally witnessed - Croatian league, old Yugoslav league, World Cup, Brazilian league.

when? and are we talking one step like here or half way into the box, because there is a difference

james dean2009-11-03 09:13:16

and the Sydney player was clearly in first...

The best known example of the ones I remembered was the 1998 World Cup - Suker had to re-take the penalty against Romania because of encroachment, by Vlaovic I think. Don't remember how far he got into the box on the first attempt.el grapadura2009-11-03 09:17:32

Irrelevant.

no it's not irrelevant, if the referee had any sense he sees that, sees that we have zero advantage from it and awards the goal.

Would only matter if we missed

The laws of the game state if players from both teams encroach, the kick has to be re-taken. Doesn't matter who encroaches first.

also it says something about 2 players between the player and the goal...could have been 2-2...well could have been 5-0 also...but!

Yeah, that's true - surprised there hasn't been more talk about the 2nd Sydney goal, Corica was clearly offside.

What I'm surprised at is there's whinging about the penalty re-take, where there shouldn't be any, and none about the offside goal, although it's a more legitimate cause for complaint.
But maybe we have matured more and are ready to move on quicker, especially with another game tomorrow.

Yeah, no cause for any whinging for the penalty re-take imo.

The ref was spot on. Arguing about only being just in the box (which they both werent, they were way in) is just like saying he's only a meter offside.

How are people arguing this?

I guess people are arguing because it almost never gets called, however, simple answer is don't go in there early and you won't EVER get called for it.

Because a number of rules around penalties have never been enforced exactly to the rule book like players stutter stepping to the point where they stop on the way in, and keepers moving off their line. SO despite the rulebook, if generally, week in week out all over the world they are not been called, it is not surprising that people are going to complain.

If you don't find it odd, you need to start watching more football and see it is never called

it happened to us at home a couple of times in season one or two, if memory serves

yeh noticed that as well. Do hope there is a referees report that gets something...we could have been away at 3-1- we were threatening for a lot of that second half...and any goal could be a 4 goal run now...nah..make that should...

Not many games you can say that we were unlucky to not draw 2-2 and lucky to not lose 6-1, all in the same outing.

Stutter-stepping is allowed. Keepers moving off their line too soon gets called occasionally, just as encroachment. Maybe not every single time, but they get called often enough for professional players to know better.el grapadura2009-11-03 18:30:13

Feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, if, in the opinion of the referee, the feinting is considered an act of unsporting behaviour, the player must be cautioned.

Some people said we were a bit of a bogey-team for Sydney in the first two seasons but that's most certainly not the case now.  They are a class outfit and I wouldn't be surprised if they won the minor premiership and Grand Final.

Steve-O2009-11-03 19:49:42

The fifa rules state (in regards to PK's):
a player of both the defending team and the attacking team infringe the Laws
of the Game:
� the kick is retaken
a team-mate of the player taking the kick infringes the Laws of the Game:
� the referee allows the kick to be taken
� if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
� if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and the match is
restarted with an indirect free kick to the defending team, from the place
where the infringement occurred
a team-mate of the goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:
� the referee allows the kick to be taken
� if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
� if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken

Yes yes, we know the rules. The point is that considering it is very rarely applied in that sense, that it seemed harsh to suddenly decide to apply that rule against a team scoring when they were 3-0 down and unlikely to get anything from the game.

A team was made to retake a penalty earlier this season in the A-League so it's not like this decision was completely out of the blue.

Yes fair enough.

yep- but Costa got to but couldn't convert a one-on-one close with the keeper, had a header close to the up right, Greenacre at the back post, Daniel's penalty...we won the second half and had the momentum i think. They were countering well, but we were making chances.

Only cos Muscat missed one so he could have another chance and keep his 100% record...

He missed one in a penalty shoot out against Melbourne....

2nd half of the rule applies -
a team-mate of the goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:
� the referee allows the kick to be taken
� if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
� if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken

Interestingly, first season against Sydney we had to have a penalty retaken because of enroachment. Taken by Daniel, who scored both times by going the same way. Should've done it the same again

It's not like they were a foot in, they were probably 3 meters in