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Phoenix v Sydney - Nov 1 - match thread

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:

Yes yes, we know the rules. The point is that considering it is very rarely applied in that sense, that it seemed harsh to suddenly decide to apply that rule against a team scoring when they were 3-0 down and unlikely to get anything from the game.



The score, or the way the match is going, doesnt come into it for a ref. They are there to apply the rules dispassionately

We wouldnt be complaining if the ball was well struck and a goal scored, I wonder who the other possible takers are. Do we have a reliable striker of the ball  amongst the backs like Muscat?


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wouldnt have him on the bench in a reserve team
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robman75 wrote:
 
Who mentioned "smashing" the penalty. A clean strike on the ball would be nice. Its obvious Daniel relies totally on sending the keeper the wrong way. If the keeper goes the right way he's odds on to get there purely because Daniel doesn't strike the ball well enough... I don't remember seeing Smeltz miss that many. He certainly had a better ratio than Daniel. I'm not particularly a Smeltz fan, but any half wit can spot a decent penalty taker.



Your right, I obviously misread that bit somehow - my bad.
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el grapadura wrote:
james dean wrote:
no it's not irrelevant, if the referee had any sense he sees that, sees that we have zero advantage from it and awards the goal.


The laws of the game state if players from both teams encroach, the kick has to be re-taken. Doesn't matter who encroaches first.
 
You are hiding behind the rules when the fact is that the rules are not strictly applied in every case.  As I have said before check out video of other penalties and you will find that someone is inside at almost every penalty taken at a professional level (and almost all keepers are off the line).
 
I would also suggest that if it was such a major issue then the referee wouldn't be advised to stand in a position where it is almost impossible to see whether players encroach or not.
james dean2009-11-03 23:16:13

Normo's coming home

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The issue's past its use by date now but I did see an analysis of the penalty tonight on TV that suggested that no one was encroaching. And that on the re-take the keeper moved two feet off his line anyway, meaning the ref should've ordered yet another re-take if he was to be strictly consistent about the rules.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:

Yes yes, we know the rules. The point is that considering it is very rarely applied in that sense, that it seemed harsh to suddenly decide to apply that rule against a team scoring when they were 3-0 down and unlikely to get anything from the game.


Neither I, nor anyone else, are disputing the rule.[/QUOTE]

The exact same thing happens in the Melbourne v Gold Coast game a few weeks ago, and now it's unduly harsh on us? Come on.

[QUOTE=Steve-O] Although, it seems a bit daft that an opposing player could encroach if they wanted and ensure the kick was retaken? A player might get booked but in theory the entire team could encroach one by one and the penalty be retaken 11 times?


If only an opposing player encroaches, and the goal is scored, the goal stands. Read the rules before posting.
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james dean wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
james dean wrote:
no it's not irrelevant, if the referee had any sense he sees that, sees that we have zero advantage from it and awards the goal.
The laws of the game state if players from both teams encroach, the kick has to be re-taken. Doesn't matter who encroaches first.

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You are hiding behind the rules when the fact is that the rules are not strictly applied in every case.� As I have said before check out video of other penalties and you will find that someone is inside at almost every penalty taken at a professional level (and almost all keepers are off the line).

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I would also suggest that if it was such a major issue then the referee wouldn't be advised to�stand in a position where it is almost impossible to see whether players encroach or not.


No-one is saying it's a specially important issue. But it's part of the laws of the game that we contravened. Can't really complain about that.

As for encroachment being common - it is, at most levels of the game. But everyone who's ever played the game knows that you try to steal a yard or two just before the kick is taken, as that's when the ref's attention is turned to the ball and the keeper. If you run 3 metres into the box while the taker's still in his run-up then you're just stupid. Especially if you're following an opposing player.
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loyalgunner wrote:

Some people said we were a bit of a bogey-team for Sydney in the first two seasons but that's most certainly not the case now.  They are a class outfit and I wouldn't be surprised if they won the minor premiership and Grand Final.

True that we were their bogey team once, but so long ago.

Gold Coast are our bunnies now and it seems a whole lot more satisfying than Sydney

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F8e6mq3yqs
 
Here's a penalty being retaken 6 times!
 
edit - just actually watched the clip, incredible stuff
Steve-O2009-11-05 21:52:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 on the last one they finally learnt,and every single player stood there and didnt move a muscle,nor did they follow it in.

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The phoenix penalty takers should watch how Fowler and Serge van Dike took their penalties last weekend.
 
Serg smacked it low and hard  inside the left hand post....the keeper went left but had no chance. Fowler was more subtile....slow run in, saw which way the keeper went and then gentle hit in the other side.
 
Daniel and Greenacre seem to both rely on the keeper going the wrong way...it then becomes a 50/50. If you are aiming for half way between the keeper and the post and hitting low  with not a lot of powerthen the keeper is always in with a chance of saving it if they go the right way.
 
I personally love the chest high screamers...bulge the back of the net.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel had to retake a penalty vs Sydney in season 1, he went the same way both times and beat the keeper both times, driving it low into the bottom left corner.  In the end it didn't make all that much difference in this case so meh.  Would be nice to be an extra 2 goals up tho :P
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