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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So whats your explanation to my post? Not Moss's fault or was it the defences fault?wellyphoenixfan2009-02-05 20:27:11
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What we've been trying to explain is that each goal conceded is a product of variety of factors. Some goals are defence's fault, some keeper's, some are product of good attacking play, some are just unfortunate.

To judge a keeper's ability purely on a number of goals he concedes is simplifying things. If that was the case, keepers playing for poor sides would never progress in their career pathway, yet many of those do. Because number of goals conceded alone is not a good measure by which to judge a keeper.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So whats your explanation to my post? Not Moss's fault or was it the defences fault?


Other than the Melbourne debacle early on, I can't recall any other goals being solely Moss's fault. He saved our ass on plenty of occasions which other keepers would have waved the white flag at. He even got a hand to Reids goal and nearly foiled that one (against Adelaide)
Yes he's known for his saves and yes Paston has strengths that Moss doesn't posses, but he's still ahead and that is reflected in these very unscientific polls, the fact he played ahead of Paston and the masses who see his worth on here, versus the one person who has a personal vendetta against the man.
Leave him alone FFS!! It's embarrassing
he's worth every cent he's getting at Melbourne and more.


Royal2009-02-05 21:52:11
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Considering that every time a keeper started he was kept until he was injured saying Moss was chosen more doesn't say much just more about Rickis selection strategy.

Still the defence played better under Paston but I will leave it there till next season when I can create a "I told you so" thread.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I look forward to it. 
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
What we've been trying to explain is that each goal conceded is a product of variety of factors. Some goals are defence's fault, some keeper's, some are product of good attacking play, some are just unfortunate.

To judge a keeper's ability purely on a number of goals he concedes is simplifying things. If that was the case, keepers playing for poor sides would never progress in their career pathway, yet many of those do. Because number of goals conceded alone is not a good measure by which to judge a keeper.
 
Is right.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
El-Kun wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
What we've been trying to explain is that each goal conceded is a product of variety of factors. Some goals are defence's fault, some keeper's, some are product of good attacking play, some are just unfortunate.

To judge a keeper's ability purely on a number of goals he concedes is simplifying things. If that was the case, keepers playing for poor sides would never progress in their career pathway, yet many of those do. Because number of goals conceded alone is not a good measure by which to judge a keeper.
 
Is right.
 
exactly, so WellyPhoenixFan ignores this post.

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So whats your explanation to my post? Not Moss's fault or was it the defences fault?
 
what the heck are you on about man? what specifically did Moss do wrong? What specifically did Paston do right?

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
So whats your explanation to my post? Not Moss's fault or was it the defences fault?
 
what the heck are you on about man? what specifically did Moss do wrong? What specifically did Paston do right?


Careful! You're going to open that can of worms that only he knows how to open!
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My point basically is that for some strange reason our defence plays poor under Moss, teams have great attacking plays against Moss etc. These are the excuses people use. People also seem to imply that most of Pastons goals are all his own fault.

Though as I said with Melbourne having a better defence then us and if Moss is keeper he will be running out of excuses next season.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My point basically is that for some strange reason our defence plays poor under Moss, teams have great attacking plays against Moss etc. These are the excuses people use. [/QUOTE]

Our defence doesn't play poor under Moss - just as an example, in the last game against Perth he barely had anything to do. Didn't have a lot to do in the last game against Sydney, and I could go on. You're making generalisations not grounded in reality.

[QUOTE=wellyphoenixfan] People also seem to imply that most of Pastons goals are all his own fault.



Don't think anyone's implied that.el grapadura2009-02-06 13:04:13
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
My point basically is that for some strange reason our defence plays poor under Moss, teams have great attacking plays against Moss etc. These are the excuses people use. People also seem to imply that most of Pastons goals are all his own fault.

Though as I said with Melbourne having a better defence then us and if Moss is keeper he will be running out of excuses next season.
 
look up the word "specific" kid

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
My point basically is that for some strange reason our defence plays poor under Moss, teams have great attacking plays against Moss etc. These are the excuses people use.


Our defence doesn't play poor under Moss - just as an example, in the last game against Perth he barely had anything to do. Didn't have a lot to do in the last game against Sydney, and I could go on. You're making generalisations not grounded in reality.

I said most of the time. El G if the defence doesn't play poor with Moss then why does he have more goals scored against him (according to the previous thread statistics). Surely you don't think that every time Moss plays a team their attack is always good?

The reasons goals are scored against a team are as followed:

Keeper plays poorly.
Defence plays poorly.
Midfield doesn't drop back. (Brown and McKain were good enough)
Opposition attack is too good.

Can't think of any others.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pure luck.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yomcat wrote:
Pure luck.


I had the same thought but we'd never want to truth get in the way of fantasy now would we?
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