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Player ratings v Glory

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Player ratings v Glory

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Well, a prett sh*t 80 min and good last ten. Who impressed or frustrated you? For me its...
Moss 6 Did OK, but doesn't instill confidence (in me)
Manny 5 Started and finished well, but exposed again quite often, dunno how much is his fault again
Durante 5 He and Siggy did well for most of it, but there were a couple of terrible moments. Why have we got Manny and Dura one on one with attackers and no support within 20 metres? It must be someone not dropping into the right spaces.
Siggy 6 One goal saving tackle, once caught upfield with two men on back post Muscat hod no chance
Lochy 5 Good first half then it looked like he wasn't actually there in the second half
Ferante 4 Made next to nothing happen. Disappointing
Brown 6 Goal, missed two others
McKain 6 Seemed to be the only one holding the middle
Troy 5 Worked hard but didn't make much happen, passes astray
Leo 6 Unlucky not to have scored a great winner (bloody Harnwell), but was contained quite well by Glory defence
Smeltzy 6 Chased everything, how did he not bury that backpass!
Daniel 7 Made things happen. WHY wasn't he on earlier??? Good shot led to the goal.
Dodd 5 Took a while to settle
Velaphi - a couple of brilliant saves, Topor Stanley and Harnwell both excellent too. All three of them would have out pointed our players.
Am I too harsh??
 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Harsh on Lochead i reckon..

Otherwise spot on
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Well, a prett sh*t 80 min and good last ten. Who impressed or frustrated you? For me its...
Moss 6 Did OK, but doesn't instill confidence (in me)
Manny 5 Started and finished well, but exposed again quite often, dunno how much is his fault again
Durante 5 He and Siggy did well for most of it, but there were a couple of terrible moments. Why have we got Manny and Dura one on one with attackers and no support within 20 metres? It must be someone not dropping into the right spaces.
Siggy 6 One goal saving tackle, once caught upfield with two men on back post Muscat hod no chance
Lochy 5 Good first half then it looked like he wasn't actually there in the second half
Ferante 4 Made next to nothing happen. Disappointing
Brown 6 Goal, missed two others
McKain 6 Seemed to be the only one holding the middle
Troy 5 Worked hard but didn't make much happen, passes astray
Leo 6 Unlucky not to have scored a great winner (bloody Harnwell), but was contained quite well by Glory defence
Smeltzy 6 Chased everything, how did he not bury that backpass!
Daniel 7 Made things happen. WHY wasn't he on earlier??? Good shot led to the goal.
Dodd 5 Took a while to settle
Velaphi - a couple of brilliant saves, Topor Stanley and Harnwell both excellent too. All three of them would have out pointed our players.
Am I too harsh??
 
 
I'm a big fan of Sigmund's but he did not have a good game tonight - far too many inaccurate long balls.
 
Brown was also poor - he was pushed off the ball too easily too often and we frequently loose forward momentum when he gets the ball and then turns back towards our own goal - 4 for me but then add on whatever for being in the right place for the goal.
 
Leo was worth more - he was the standout - for effort anyway.
 
Dodd was sh*t - bought back ugly memories of when he "played" defensive midfield.
 
Whitby boy2008-12-13 22:16:50
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Moss 6 - Nearly gave em a clear goal, but seemed alright
Manny 5.5 - Did his job but still a bit shakey
Durante 7 - Did his job
Siggy 7 - maybe not good on the attack, but felt he was good on defence, and that is his job.
Lochy 5 - Very average
Ferrante 5 - The only reason you didn't notice him is because he didn't get 20 shots.
Brown 6 - He's getting into the habbit of scoring.
McKain 5 - Average, a couple of shakey areas, i think he was the one whom left Dadi unmarked.
Troy just 5 - Tried, but anoyed me. Lost the ball and stopped.
Leo 7 - Made some good runs, he gets a bit stroppy though.
Smeltzy 5 - Missed two clear chances, this rating is because he wasn't in the game. And I thought he actually chased less than usual.
Daniel 8 - Yeh, made things happen. I think he played great for the time he got.
Dodd 5 - sh*t passing... gave everyone in the crowd over 60 a heart attack about 3 times.

I also don't really remember them having any long shots. It may be a bad memory, but their only two proper chances was the open goal and Dadi's. Moss didn't actually have to work that hard, normally we have two amazing reaction saves a game.

I also don't think we played that bad, their was some slow bits but hey.
Michael2008-12-13 22:26:51
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think those hare harsh on a fair chunk of the team, we played well but were unlucky (and just inept) in the penalty box.
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Whitby boy wrote:
 
Dodd was sh*t - bought back ugly memories of when he "played" defensive midfield.
 


Couldn't agree more!
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I thought McKain was one of the better players tonight. 

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He was, his passing is shakey though
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Arsenal wrote:
I thought McKain was one of the better players tonight. 
 
Funny, I saw things differently. To me he looked like he was on valium for most of the game. He was ponderous and seemed to be having problems with motivation, ie, he would lose out on nearly every 50/50 ball then struggle to track back. Just like last week, in fact.
 
Seemed to come to life in the last quarter with a few good runs, but for a Socceroo you expect him to show more.
 
 
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Bertos has a great game and Smeltz was good apart from that unbelievable miss. Our defence was shaky tonight... we could easily have conceded a few more. Daniel should be on earlier.

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Smeltz didn't do anything except miss twice?!?!?!?!?
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Bertos had a good game? what???? he had heaps of the ball and lost most of it, his free kick was straight at the wall!!!! very poor showing from bertos I thought!

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Overall we were really just a bit meh, not the worst theyve been this year but seemed to lack spark.

Moss - 6 - Didn't do much really, his distribution was rubbish though, Paston is miles ahead in that department.
 
Manny - 3.5 - Had a bad game, poor control and distribution.
Siggy - 5 - Strong tackling, but didn't seem to control the game and as mentioned his passing let him down.
Durante - 4.5 - Bad passng as well, but was solid enough.
Lochhead - 6 - Good running and link-up play, the midfield didn't upport him much on attack.
 
McKain - 6.5 - I thought he had a good game, bet players in midfield, ran hard and showed some class.
Brown - 5.5 - Good positioning for the goal but not much else, not one of his best performances.
Ferrante - 4 - Did bugger all, Hearfield had to work twice as hard to fill the void.
 
Troy - 7 - Ran very hard and got around players. He's no Fred but was very committed.
Bertos - 6 - Got a lot of ball but didn't do much with it, useful player but he needs to sharpen up a bit.
Smeltz - 6 - Was a bit off tonight and would ussually have put 1 or 2 of the chances he got away.
 
Dodd - 3 - Came on and our defence got visibly shakier, bad control, bad covering and bad passes. We didn't need him on the bench anyway.
Daniel - 7 - Our spark. He got us going in the final 10 and looked much more able of filling Fred's role.
You know we belong together...

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Moss - 6. Did he even make a save? Can't remember one.
Siggy - 7. Was good marking Dadi (not an easy job). Passing was a little wayward but so was everyones.
Durante - 7. Thought he was quite decent really. Perth never really went through the middle.
Muscat - 5. Shown up yet again. Out of position on several occasions
Lochhead - 6.5. Some very good crosses in the first half but no one got on the end of them. Not his fault. Thought he was quite good.
 
McKain - 6. Passing much too wayward for a CM but his control and touch was still very good. He has an uncanny knack of beating players.
Brown -  6. Missed too many 50/50 challenges but that was the same for a lot of the team
Ferrante - 5.5 Bit invisible and never really got involved in the match.
 
Hearfield - 6.5. Alright. Don't think he really offers enough support to Smeltz.
Leo - 7.5. Not sure what everyone else is on about - was our best player by a mile and the only one willing to take players on. Free kick was bad but I watched 2 A-League games and I never saw one get over the wall so it isn't just him.
Smeltz - 6.5 Was very good pressuring their defence and I thought he was actually having quite a good game with limited support until that miss.
 
Dodd - 5. Not good.
Daniel - 7. Show composure to deliver a good shot to force Velaphi into the save and played quite well for a man carrying an injury.
 
 
valeo2008-12-14 16:59:36

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Well....I thought that Mckain did ok seeing that Tim Brown was not in the game most of the time and I agree with others its seems Tim turns back toward out goal when he gets the ball. Bertos ran  alot...did bugger all apart from that, he seems to hold onto the ball way to long when a pass would be better, and finally  WE DONT HAVE A REGULAR STRIKER IN THE WHOLE TEAM.......please correct me if im wrong but when did a team last win anything without centreforwards and strikers..hmmm let me think....NEVER

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agree with virtually all of what Valeo says.

 I thought Bertos was tremendous going forward and his shot was a ripper, miracle save. Some set play was inaccurate but he made up for it. I love it when he gets the ball, there is always something on, he attacks

Dodd looked like he hadnt played for a bit, (yes he hasnt) was poor with several  passes.
Smeltz played his best game for a while, shame about the miss, still Ruka also did, I thought Smeltz outplayed him
McKain also was better than before, I like him pushing up the field
Manny made a couple of mistakes but he is improving each game

Feeling ok about the possibilities going forward
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I also thought Bertos did well. He's a great addition to the team this season; without him running at the defence (whether successful or not) we'd be reduced entirely to pumping long balls over the top.
 
You could see the adverse effect that 6-1 hiding had on our defence yesterday. There was a slightly panicky, disorganised appearance about it - lots of punts upfield. Perth used the flanks very well and with a lot of pace, so it wasn't all about Muscat being caught out of position. I feel he does tend to overcommit on tackles sometimes though.
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valeo wrote:
Daniel - 7. Show composure to deliver a good shot to force Velaphi into the save and played quite well for a man carrying an injury.
 
 
Really? What was wrong?
You know we belong together...

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Someone (cnut?) revealed that he had his leg iced in the lead up to the game. Not sure of what kind of injury but apparently it was a bit risky bringing him on.
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Moss - 6.5 did all that was asked for and the high ball he collected under pressure was solid.
Muscat - 6 thought he played well apart from the miscontrol incident in second half. He is totally outshining Lochead in the fullback role.
Siggy - 6.5 solid and committed, unusually for him sucked out of position couple of times and passing ordinary.
Durrante - 6.5 solid controlled their strikers well.
Lochead - 5 made some positive runs but frequently caught out of position and losing possession in dangerous areas.
Brown - 5 only redeeming thing about Brown was he does get forward from midfield and he got the equaliser.
McKain - 6 at times real good and at times wasteful, Dadi was his man for the goal.
Ferrante - 5 worked hard without making a great impact on game.
Hearfield - 4 totally ineffective
Smeltz - 5.5 worked hard and marked him down because of missed chances.
Bertos - 6.5 good going forward, took the game to them and was a threat. Bit relaxed when lost possession and deadball delivery ordinary.
Daniel - great impact, should have been on earlier. Who knows if he was carrying an injury, RH has been reluctant to give him game time all season when he was fit.
Dodd - a night to forget, if GC were watching he'll probably still be with us next year.

RH - bringing Daniel on changed game, why did he leave it so late? Not sure bench was that well selected with McKain, Siggy and Durrante in starting line up Dodd is a wasted spot on the bench.
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i haven't got the time, but i reckon if someone went through all the ratings posts, the central midfielders would have a lower score than any other group (eg. centre backs, attackers etc)
 
and i reckon that says more about the role of those players than their ability or actual contribution
 
Brown, McKain Johnno etc get through a lot of work that doesn't easily get noticed
 
move to close players down, pick up lose balls, let it go early etc etc
 
if ricki took heed of some of these ratings he would probably be the only manger in the world not to include a midfield grafter in his side
 
 
 
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I think people are giving Hearfield a hard time.

Apart from one cross that came too late i thought that he played well!
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I'd pick Daniel ahead of Hearfield next week. There's something that improves in our play the second Daniel is on the pitch. Hearfield is definitely one for the future though
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tigers wrote:
i haven't got the time, but i reckon if someone went through all the ratings posts, the central midfielders would have a lower score than any other group (eg. centre backs, attackers etc)
 
and i reckon that says more about the role of those players than their ability or actual contribution
 
Brown, McKain Johnno etc get through a lot of work that doesn't easily get noticed
 
move to close players down, pick up lose balls, let it go early etc etc
 
if ricki took heed of some of these ratings he would probably be the only manger in the world not to include a midfield grafter in his side
 
 
 
Agreed, I also think that if  players read some of these postings (I dont know if they do or should) would wonder if they were playing in the same game we watched to justify the criticisms from some. Still....healthy debate from people who care...the fans!
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chocnut wrote:
I'd pick Daniel ahead of Hearfield next week. There's something that improves in our play the second Daniel is on the pitch. Hearfield is definitely one for the future though



But I'm starting to see now - isn't that his strength? Just because he starts doesn't mean we'll play like that for 90 minutes. His strength is running them ragged when the opposition is knackered.
Bring him on 15 minutes earlier though, around the 60 - 65 minute mark.


Royal2008-12-14 22:20:46
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Royal wrote:


chocnut wrote:
I'd pick Daniel ahead of Hearfield next week. There's something that improves in our play the second Daniel is on the pitch. Hearfield is definitely one for the future though
But I'm starting to see now - isn't that his strength? Just because he starts doesn't mean we'll play like that for 90 minutes. His strength is running them ragged when the opposition is knackered. Bring him on 15 minutes earlier though, around the 60 - 65 minute mark.


That's a valid point but I don't think Ricki has given him a chance to start and prove he can perform for 90 minutes in a while.
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He can't go for 90. When he starts his legs are gone by 70 and he's dragged. No point having a guy play the front half of the game if he's more effective in the last 20 when he comes on. I want him to get the last 30 mins at least though
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Royal wrote:
He can't go for 90. When he starts his legs are gone by 70 and he's dragged. No point having a guy play the front half of the game if he's more effective in the last 20 when he comes on. I want him to get the last 30 mins at least though
 
I'm sure if you looked at last season's games you'd see he contributed a lot when he started matches. He provided the final ball for many goals and scored a few himself.
 
I'm a complete dud at maths but it seems to me that having 70 minutes of quality Daniel is better than having 20.
StopOut2008-12-14 23:15:32
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Plus Hearfield is a great impact player coming on mid-late second half - so play Daniel from kickoff and bring Hearfield on when Daniel tires.

If Daniel hadn't come on we would have lost.  I still don't get why Ricki replaced the creativity of Fred with the workmanship of Hearfield, surely Fred's departure paves the way for Daniel to step up.  He played some fantastic through balls and a great shot leading to our goal.

I don't see why people are bagging Bertos - he carried the ball up and crossed it so many times in the first half ... watching the replay pretty much all the first half highlights were Bertos blitzing down the left.  Plus he had that fantastic shot at the end only just saved by Velaphi - if only that'd gone in.
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And Leo was running into channels constantly and never seemed to have his man near him. I'd like to see how many crosses/balls into the area he managed, and then see how many people are still bagging him. He was my man of the match.
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I'd like to see Daniel start even if he only lasts 70 mins. At least he'll be there to create chances to score. Why use him to in the last 10 to 15 mins when we are chasing a draw or snatch a last min winner when we could be 1 or 2 goals up - thanks to his assists in the first 70 mins.


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Actually I think part of the reason our midfield didn't seem so effective this week was that Perth play a lot of long balls up to Rukavysta and Dadi, often going over top of the midfield altogether which makes it harder for them to have an impact.  The games where they've really shone have been against the more technical passing teams that rely on their midfields for distribution. 
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Troyhearfield is so slow
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Nickel wrote:
Plus Hearfield is a great impact player coming on mid-late second half - so play Daniel from kickoff and bring Hearfield on when Daniel tires.

 


Agreed, as we saw against Newcastle, Troy was effective off the bench so that option sounds a lot better if you look at it like that.
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ellandback wrote:
Troyhearfield is so slow


Thankyou for enlightening us
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ellandback wrote:
Troyhearfield is so slow


how is he?
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mayze88 wrote:
ellandback wrote:
Troyhearfield is so slow


how is he?
 
He doesnt put one foot in front of the other in a forward motion as fast as the other players do

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