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Player ratings v Jets

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Hmmm, well.... Several players were so erratic in their performances it is hard to decide.
Paston 6 Saved a pen, a couple of terrible moments that should have cost us, lucky
Manny 6.5 Did well. got fwd usefully too
Siggy 7 Won his challenges well, but the central pair were pulled apart too easily
Dodd 5 Lucky not to be sent off too, ditto
Lochhy 4 Call those crosses? Keepers don't even bother having catching practice to gather those
Brown 4 Invisiible
McKain 6.5 worked butt off, a few stray passes
Ferrante 6 Good to see all the shots. His passes were more useful though
Fred 6.5 Great control, looking to pass in very tight areas
Leo 8 Looked the only one likely to break through
Smeltzy 7 Disinterested at times, but what a great header
Troy 7 Did make things happen, well done
Daniel 6 Looked good
 
Am I too negative? It felt like a crap performance for much of the game. 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Weird. It says it was started at 9:33 by tigers, but when you open it- it is OOE...


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not me mate, i wouldn't steal Oi Oi's job, any more than i would post league tables
 
i reckon OOE was a bit harsh with Timmo and Fred's scores though
 
p.s. - something is a bit weird though, every time i post it says there's an error , but the post has always been there - perhaps Cnut is trying some crazy cyber-guy head-messing move
tigers2008-11-23 21:49:18
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tigers wrote:
not me mate, i wouldn't steal Oi Oi's job, any more than i would post league tables
 
i reckon OOE was a bit harsh with Timmo and Fred's scores though
 
p.s. - something is a bit weird though, every time i post it says there's an error , but the post has always been there - perhaps Cnut is trying some crazy cyber-guy head-messing move


happens to me too
Fair enough ratings. Kind of hard to judge because a 2-0 is our best result of the season yet we hardly performed that well.
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Mine:
Paston - 7 - Full marks for the pen save but I won't forget the moment I thought they'd scored in an open net.
 
Muscat - 6.5 - Not a effective as in his games against Sydney but he defended well and did his attacking job well.
Siggy - 7 - Another heart-on-the-sleeve performance from the next AWs captain, solid but without as many silly Dodd mistakes.
Dodd - 5.5 - his worst CB perfromance this season, gave away too many freekicks and deserved to be sent off.
Lochhead - 6 - As always he got forward well but it talk him far to long to realise his crosses weren't working and his defensive work needs some sharpening.
 
McKain - 7 - Good, safe DM play, outclassed Tommo entirely.
Brown - 6 -  Hung around his position but left too much wook for McKain.
Fred - 7 - Good debut, nice touches and linkup with Leo. Screwed his chance to score by taking too many touches.
 
Bertos - 7.5 - Outclassed everyone in the first half, ran with the ball well and linked with Lochhead and Fred nicely
Smeltz - 6.5 - Nice header but not much else other than a new shocking hairstyle.
 
Hearfield - 7 - Well taken goal and played a big part in the win.
Daniel - 7.5 - Got us going, once again I say he should be starting.
 
You know we belong together...

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Oska wrote:
Mine:
Paston - 7 - Full marks for the pen save but I won't forget the moment I thought they'd scored in an open net.

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Muscat -�6.5 - Not a effective as in his games against Sydney but he defended well and did his attacking job well.

Siggy - 7 - Another heart-on-the-sleeve performance from the�next AWs captain, solid but without as many silly Dodd mistakes.

Dodd -�5.5 - his worst CB perfromance this season, gave away�too many freekicks and deserved to be sent off.

Lochhead - 6 - As always he got forward well but it talk him far to long to realise his�crosses weren't working and his defensive work needs some sharpening.

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McKain - 7 - Good, safe DM play, outclassed Tommo entirely.

Brown - 6 -��Hung around his position but left too much wook for McKain.

Fred - 7 - Good debut, nice touches and linkup with Leo. Screwed his chance to score by taking too many touches.

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Bertos - 7.5 - Outclassed everyone in the first half, ran with the ball well�and linked with Lochhead and Fred nicely

Smeltz - 6.5 - Nice header but not much else other than a new shocking hairstyle.

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Hearfield - 7 - Well taken goal and�played a big part in the win.

Daniel - 7.5 - Got us going, once again I say he should be starting.

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Pretty much agree except

Paston 6 and only because penalty save redemption, he gifted them a chance to take the lead.

Muscat 7.5 thought he was the pick of the back four tonight

Lochead 5 had all the space in the world and couldn't use it.
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Too harsh on Brown - give him a 6
Too kind on Smeltz - 5     I would have given him 4 for his wrst game in a Nix jersey but gave him an extra 1 for the goal
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Oska wrote:
Dodd - 5.5 - his worst CB perfromance this season, gave away too many freekicks and deserved to be sent off.


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you forgot ferrante
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Paston 6 Crap again. Rushes out of his line way too often and gets caught in no mans land. Saved the penalty (which was hit very badly by El**ch) but that doesn't excuse his otherwork.
Manny 6.5 Didn't do much wrong.
Siggy 7 Solid enough. In the first 20 mins the defence found it hard to deal with a few long balls though.
Dodd 7 Thought he actually played quite well. He got forward a few times trying to provide much needed impetus. Gave away the penalty and by all rights shouldn't have been on the pitch by the end, though. He'll be out next week and I think we will miss him.
Lochhy 5.5 Thought he was pretty bad today. You would think he would learn after the 2000th cross that Covic eats floaty crosses for breakfast.
Brown 6 Solid without being spectacular. (which is fine because Bertos, Fred, Smeltz, Hearfield, Daniel etc. should be providing the spectacular moments)
McKain 7 Solid again. Has been much improved since moving into the DM role.
Ferrante 6 Those shots were infuriating. He did the same shot about 8 times. You don't take pot shots from outside the box when you are one or two men up. Terrible and cringe worthy stuff. His passing was better than the last few games, though.
Fred 7 Drifted out in the 2nd half. Did about as much as you could expect in his first game and some of the interplay between him and Bertos was great.
Leo 8 Terrific as he has been for a while. Stand out player once again.
Smeltzy 6.5 Thought he was terrible until the goal. Great finish.
Troy 7.5 Came on and provided the assist. Can't really ask much more.
Daniel 7 Thought he provided a bit of spark and think that he should start ahead of Ferrante.
 
Found it odd that we kept 2 holding midfielders when it was 11 v 9.
 
 
valeo2008-11-24 00:49:46

a.haak

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Agree with you Valeo, whilst Brown was quiet, he still worked pretty hard defensively in the midifeld! which he had to do or we would nhave been looking at a different scoreline.

I felt that once we were playing 9, that we would have pushed more forward?? didn't happen soon enough, Troy made a huge difference when he came on as did Daniel.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Hmmm, well.... Several players were so erratic in their performances it is hard to decide.
Paston 6 Saved a pen, a couple of terrible moments that should have cost us, lucky
Manny 6.5 Did well. got fwd usefully too
Siggy 7 Won his challenges well, but the central pair were pulled apart too easily
Dodd 5 Lucky not to be sent off too, ditto
Lochhy 4 Call those crosses? Keepers don't even bother having catching practice to gather those
Brown 4 Invisiible
McKain 6.5 worked butt off, a few stray passes
Ferrante 6 Good to see all the shots. His passes were more useful though
Fred 6.5 Great control, looking to pass in very tight areas
Leo 8 Looked the only one likely to break through
Smeltzy 7 Disinterested at times, but what a great header
Troy 7 Did make things happen, well done
Daniel 6 Looked good
 
Am I too negative? It felt like a crap performance for much of the game. 
 
I'd probably rate Daniel a bit higher - he looked very keen when he came on but other than that pretty well spot on.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Paston 6
Only a 6 because of his penalty save, otherwise perhaps a 5 for a couple dodgy moments.

Manny 6.5
Got forward nicely and was sound at the back.

Siggy 7
Solid as always, did well at fullback also and got forward when required.

Dodd 5.5
Poor discipline could have cost us at several different points. Partially redeemed himself with the fantastic crossfield ball that led to the second goal. His physical presence is helpful at the back also.


Lochy 5
Got forward well, showed plenty of gas. His crossing was off though.

Brown 5
Had a fairly quiet game, but still contributed to us controlling the midfield.

McKain 7
Kept Song out of the game and provided speed and presence. Mission accomplished.

Ferrante 6.5

Incredibly hard working as always. Nice to seem him trying to shoot, kept the keeper on his toes. Crossfield passing was excellent as always, helped to stretch Newcastle when they went down to 9.

Fred 7.5

He was clearly a cut above everyone else on the pitch. Gets involved so often, has pace and skill. Should have put us in the lead after Leo put him through, but his overall performance allows me to forgive him for this. Looks like he will provide just what we have been missing.

Leo 8

His best game for us to date. He looked fit and hungry. Great work to put Fred through and his work setting up Hearfield late on showed his commitment.

Smeltzy 7

Not as involved as usual. Gets one chance (and a tricky one at that) and absolutely buries it. Invaluable.

Troy 7.5

Did everything required as supersub. Scored one and creates the other. Linked up well with Leo. Justified his selection ahead of Costa on the bench.

Daniel 7

Very nice work from Daniel. Have a look at his control of Dodd's crossfield ball and then the instant through ball to Bertos which led to Hearfield's goal.

Ricki 7.5

A fine week for Ricki. A shame that Moss isn't our starting keeper, and now that he is leaving I can't see Paston getting dropped sadly. Otherwise, the starting XI was spot on. Durante will be hungry now that he has spent time on the bench. 3 in the midfield is essential because none of our CM's are individualy good enough to control a game (hence why sides like Queensland overrun us). Interesting that we seemed to be playing an essentially wingerless formation, very Chelseaesque in some ways. McKain was holding, Ferrante and Brown were the CM's who were both expected to get wide at times as well (Ferrante did this better than Brown), while Fred played in a free role behind Smeltz and Leo (who also hovered around the place).

Fred and Leo linked up fantastically, and if Smeltz can get in on the act as well that front 3 should be as good as any in the league. Brown, McKain and Ferrante provide a solid base and our back 4 are improving each week. Durante gets a chance to displace Dodd from the XI this week, I think Sigmund should start at CB because he is rock solid, while Muscat offers more going forward and if we play without wingers (as we did on Sunday) our fullbacks have to provide most of our width. Daniel and Hearfield give us guile and pace respectively off the bench and it looks like we finally have a settled starting XI. I am optimistic for the first time in weeks about our top 4 prospects. Ricki got his subs spot on, Fred was tiring and needed to be protected while Muscat was a clever player to remove for Hearfield. Both subs were involved in the goals and they both had enough time to influence the match. Bringing Hearfield on late was especially clever because by that stage Newcastle were too tired to deal with his pace.
KTBW2008-11-24 11:48:19
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Smeltz was pushed out today. I've realised that the only succesful runs he makes have to be right infront of goal, else wise he just runs away from the ball.
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valeo wrote:
Paston 6 Crap again. Rushes out of his line way too often and gets caught in no mans land. Saved the penalty (which was hit very badly by El**ch) but that doesn't excuse his otherwork.

Manny�6.5 Didn't do much wrong.

Siggy 7 Solid enough. In the first 20 mins the defence found it hard to deal with a few long balls though.

Dodd 7 Thought he actually played quite well. He got forward a few times�trying to provide much needed impetus. Gave away the penalty and by all rights shouldn't have been on the pitch by the end, though. He'll be out next week and I think we will miss him.

Lochhy 5.5 Thought he was pretty bad today. You would think he would learn after the 2000th cross that Covic eats floaty crosses for breakfast.

Brown�6 Solid without being spectacular. (which is fine because Bertos, Fred, Smeltz, Hearfield, Daniel etc. should be providing the spectacular moments)

McKain 7 Solid again. Has been much improved since moving into the DM role.

Ferrante 6 Those shots were infuriating. He did the same shot about 8 times. You don't take pot shots from outside the box when you are one or two men up. Terrible and cringe worthy stuff. His passing was better than the last few games, though.

Fred 7 Drifted out in the 2nd half. Did about as much as you could expect in his first game and some of the interplay between him and Bertos was great.

Leo 8 Terrific as he has been for a while. Stand out player once again.

Smeltzy 6.5 Thought he was terrible until the goal. Great finish.

Troy 7.5 Came on and provided the assist. Can't really ask much more.

Daniel 7 Thought he provided a bit of spark and think that he should start ahead of Ferrante.

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Found it odd that we kept 2 holding midfielders when it was 11 v 9.

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Im tired of you constantly saying how crap Paston was, he played as good as Moss has in this game and in other games better but its still not good enough.
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Are you his brother or something? He left an open goal after getting caught in no mans land and numerous other times he rushed out of his line when he did not have to. (luckily it went unpunished) Moss is far from perfect but he never did this. Paston played terribly in the Sydney game and he didn't even get a hand on one of Perth's goals (Ruka's) that could have been saved and IMO would have been saved by Moss.

Would you be defending him if that goal went in? Actually, of course you would - you're the only blind supporter of him on this forum.

The only game where Moss has gone completely sh*thouse was against Melbourne. Other than that I've felt confident with him playing. Whenever Paston plays I feel nervous.
valeo2008-11-24 16:28:56

a.haak

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Actually, that is exactly what Moss has done in the past.  He did it a number of times against Melbourne in the openeing weeks of the season.

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valeo wrote:

Are you his brother or something? He left an open goal after getting caught in no mans land and numerous other times he rushed out of his line when he did not have to. (luckily it went unpunished) Moss is far from perfect but he never did this. Paston played terribly in the Sydney game and he didn't even get a hand on one of Perth's goals (Ruka's) that could have been saved and IMO would have been saved by Moss.Would you be defending him if that goal went in? Actually, of course you would - you're the only blind supporter of him on this forum.The only game where Moss has gone completely sh*thouse was against Melbourne. Other than that I've felt confident with him playing. Whenever Paston plays I feel nervous.
Every time the ball is in the air Moss punchs the ball (or sometimes just leaves it) at awkward angles that no one even knew was possible. Everytime the ball is in the air Paston saves it, problem solved. While it is on the ground he manages to organise his defence better then Moss ever has so that shots on the ground are limited. Why else has Paston (2 clean sheets in 7 games this season, conceding 7 goals) got more clean sheets and conceded less goals then Moss (1 out of 5 games this season and conceding 9) in this season?
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Fight Fight Fight Fight.......
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I think the records are slightly misleading. I'll be upfront I'm happy with how Paston is playing at the moment, but he has had the more stable defence than moss has had. Our back four were a little off early in the season, but in the last four/five games they've been rock solid - which should make a keepers job easier. Both Mass and Paston have their weaknesses which unfortunatly have lead to soft goals, however both havemade some amazing saves nad kept us in games when we should have been dead and buried.......either of them, I think, could easily be the #1 in any team in the a-league, we've been spoilt for choice in that dept.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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I'm not a huge fan of either tbh, definately need to bring in a player good enough to start next season. Paston may have better control of his box, but he has made a howler in three consecutive games, he got lucky against the Jets when Jesic blasted wide.
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I thought Paston had a good game. first few games I was calling for his head but the more time he is out there the better he as got and since Moss is leave at the end of the year, we will have to rely on him more. So the more games he plays the better he will get.

I think all we need is a chant that will get him going more.
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I have to say, whenever Paston is their I too feel nervous. Every time he catches the ball I can just see it deflecting right at a defender...

What about we bring in Covic?
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Check out the Planes forum. They really love Dodd now

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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I feel the exact opposite, the confisence Paston has to get out and dominate his box is much better than Moss hanging on his line waiting for a shot, he also leaves a lot of balls thats you will see Paston grab everytime. I'm so sick of this argument, it just doesn't stop.

You know we belong together...

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Either way, Moss fan or not you can't play him now he's signed with victory.
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thermoplikos to come to nix next year!you herd it first!
 
pastons distribution and organisation is alot better than mossies!Paston to stay in goal!
 
moss was good for us last year coz he was spose to be number 2, got a chance and some confidence and had a good year. but the year is ove rand he does not look like he has any confidence or fight to get his place back!
 
plus judas 2(moss) is off, let the "to small to be a goal kepper anyway" piss off to the victory
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radioman wrote:
thermoplikos to come to nix next year!you herd it first!
 
pastons distribution and organisation is alot better than mossies!Paston to stay in goal!
 
moss was good for us last year coz he was spose to be number 2, got a chance and some confidence and had a good year. but the year is ove rand he does not look like he has any confidence or fight to get his place back!
 
plus judas 2(moss) is off, let the "to small to be a goal kepper anyway" piss off to the victory
 
surely in a summer league, such Fancy Dan underwear would be a bit unnecessary?
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Dodd got booked so he would miss next game against Archie, who would have shown what a log he really is.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Which one's the log?
You know we belong together...

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Oska wrote:

I feel the exact opposite, the confisence Paston has to get out and dominate his box is much better than Moss hanging on his line waiting for a shot, he also leaves a lot of balls thats you will see Paston grab everytime. I'm so sick of this argument, it just doesn't stop.



It will be a great opportunity to compare the two keepers next season hopefully!

I think the secret to Paston's mistakes is that the opposition is so amazed that he did that, that they are unable to take full advantage. Fortunately what happened on Sunday.

You get the feeling Paston is a confidence player, perhaps. He certainly pulled off two brave pieces of keeping at the end of this game, same as the first Sydney game at home, which kept us ahead, and helped the goal difference.


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Leggy wrote:
Dodd got booked so he would miss next game against Archie, who would have shown what a log he really is.
Na he would of just  got Archie sent off and the only log would have been in Archies butt from sitting in the shed.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Can't believe some people are saying Paston had a good game now. Ridiculous. If Jesic buried that chance like he should've then everyone would be calling for his head. He was never tested after the Jets went down to 9.

a.haak

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I thought that was an excellent penalty save by Paston. Not a great spot kick by any means, but Paston picked the right way to go and got down well, then quickly smothered the ball. What more can you ask for?
 
He does have a tendency to misjudge when to go for the ball, but I can think of quite a few international keepers of high reputation who have the same problem - just watch Carson's cockup for England against Germany the other night (which incidentally was almost a carbon copy of a Paston/Sigmund moment if I remember rightly).
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Moss is better and should be starting.
We're still starting Smeltz, same principle should apply here.
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We've won two in a row, conceded only one and our keeper saved a penalty so he should be dropped ?



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Michael wrote:
I have to say, whenever Paston is their I too feel nervous. Every time he catches the ball I can just see it deflecting right at a defender...

What about we bring in Covic?



Sorry, but if he catches the ball, it won't be deflected - only if he doesn't catch it
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Baiter wrote:
We've won two in a row, conceded only one and our keeper saved a penalty so he should be dropped ?




Stats don't always tell the story.

I don't think there is a *huge* difference between Moss and Paston. I just think Moss is the better keeper. Sure, it's subjective, but that is my thought.

a.haak

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mikecj wrote:
Check out the Planes forum. They really love Dodd now
Lol they have an entire thread devoted to him it starts from last time we played them and they are talking about how great he is then theres a massive U turn after Sundays game.
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