Player ratings v Raw
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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Mmmm ... a tricky game. A few of these would be different if we'd clung on for a 2 - 2 draw.
Moss 6 Brilliant save before first goal, unlucky, but also dropped the ball,, saved by Manny on line
Manny 7.5 Some crucial tackles, but allowed Oar to cut inside too often late in game.
Durante 7 Was excellent at times, and was on the rack with Roar midfiel;d running thru at defence too often, both cards led to goals and now he's suspended.
Dodd 7 Did well with the team sitting too deep.
Lochy 7.5 Was for 80 min a brilliant game by Lochy, winning great headers, interceptions, but tired and was robbed of ball twice, leading to the winner
Troy 7 Cool header, worked hard, linked up better than last week
McKain 7 Did a good job for most of it, a couple of good bursts forward
Brown 5 Sorry, McKain had too much to do, Timmo seemed to be too far forward when we were defending
Ferrante 6 Good game putting pressure on and getting back to help out, not much going forward
Leo 8 Took on his man well, some good crosses including one for the goal, looked likely
Smeltzy 7.5 Great cross for oggy, Great turn in box that was superbly read by Moore, would have scored against most defenders.
Plodder 7 Stepped up to the job well
Kwassy 6 Did ok
What do you think??
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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i think that i can't think in that amount of detail, as i'm only just recovering the ability to think in whole sentences due to the misery of that ending
tigers2008-12-28 23:47:23
so respect for your unswerving commitment to duty
i think those are the scores - roughly -i would have given had we held on - so perhaps i'd take .5
off each player except Moss
agree that smeltzy was unlucky to be up against Moore for that turn in the box
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You have to drop Dura down - effectively handing them two goals by "stupid" free kicks has to cost him some points, I say a 5.5 max!
We seriously seemed to lack a bit of pace out there. They ran rings around most of our guys.....
We seriously seemed to lack a bit of pace out there. They ran rings around most of our guys.....
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I thought Moss was poor....he's good at the reflex save but ratshiiite in the air and doesn't command the box. Plus his goal kicks are not as good as Paston....
Your comments are generally spot on but points a little on the high side. I thought we were overrun in the mid field. Sure we scrambled on defense well but our midfield was totally incapable of holding possession and transfering it properly forward.
Not surprised Ferrante was dragged early....he was totally outplayed.
Hearfield was better than last week.
Moore had Smeltz totally covered the whole game.
Super Leo was good, especially second half down the left....but then they stopped giving him the ball.
Lets face it ,the Phoenix play with a lot of heart...we are hard to break down but in reality we have too many journeymen players. I would include in that list Kwasnik, Christie, Hearfield, Ferrante, Coveny, Johnson....for starters. Solid big hearted players but not the sort that can take us from mid table triers to title contenders!!!!
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huge call giving mcKain a 7.... he was poor at best, far too many times he was slow getting back leaving way to much space infront of the back four for queensland to exploit, got better in the second half but was caught with his finger up his arse one to many times in the first.
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You have to drop Dura down - effectively handing them two goals by "stupid" free kicks has to cost him some points, I say a 5.5 max!
We seriously seemed to lack a bit of pace out there. They ran rings around most of our guys.....
We seriously seemed to lack a bit of pace out there. They ran rings around most of our guys.....
think everyone is been a bit harsh on Dura. he played well apart from those two yellows and if the midfield had been doing there job better and if locky had not of give the ball away in the last few min of the game then there would be no talk about Dura.
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Even if Dura was still on the park oat the end, I'd still be bagging him for giving away the equaliser in the first half!
McKain looked slow - in fact they all did, probably cos q'land are full of young quick players.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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A very bizarre game for me looked more like a training run in the first half soon as we passed them the ball they passed it back, then whats with standing off your marker 5m and backtracking.
Gave them far to much space and time! would have to mark down Brown, Mc Kain & Ferrante by 2pts
Gave them far to much space and time! would have to mark down Brown, Mc Kain & Ferrante by 2pts
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I thought Moss was poor....
Not poor, but not good either...the drop was bad, and I also think he should have done better with the second goal. Got caught in no-man's land when he probably should have stayed on the line.
Still not sure what to make of the 1st goal.
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I really like your ratings after every match Edgecumbe, but I still think you give too generously. I did not see any 7.5 or 8 out of 10 performances, during a game I was watching sporadically due to being at work, 4's-6's maybe a 7 for muscat or lochy?
ForteanTimes2008-12-29 12:25:58
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Players who stood out for me were; Hearfield, Bertos and Muscat - all 3 were very good.
Players who disappointed were; McKain, Brown and Ferrante - they all held off and gave the Roar midfield far too much room to move - if falling back was the game plan if was a bad plan.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Brown 5 Sorry, McKain had too much to do, Timmo seemed to be too far forward when we were defending
Plodder 7 Stepped up to the job well
isn't plodder tim brown?
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Brown 5 Sorry, McKain had too much to do, Timmo seemed to be too far forward when we were defending
Plodder 7 Stepped up to the job well
isn't plodder tim brown?
Jeremy Christie
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I don't know why you are so generous on your ratings, we were poor and to be handing out 7's all over the show is very very generous imo, unless you are doing it out of 20 this tme
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Every week Edge you give the players on the whole a 7 regardless of how well they played.
Do you have a guide to your system? i.e. 3 - poor, 4 - fair, 5 - satisfactory/capable, 6 - ok, 7 - good, 8 - very good, 9 - excellent or is it just a lottery?
Agent 472008-12-29 15:21:52
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I only saw bits of the game, but from Durantes final yellow card, I think it was worth giving the penalty away. They'd of scored otherwise, if he missed free kick we'd not be saying the same thing.
And they make tackles like that on us all the time, except its when we're on halfway, so they get away with it, but generally it stops our momenteum as we're normally 4 v 2 when they give the freekick.
God our A-league refs are sh*t with cards.
And they make tackles like that on us all the time, except its when we're on halfway, so they get away with it, but generally it stops our momenteum as we're normally 4 v 2 when they give the freekick.
God our A-league refs are sh*t with cards.
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Most the points are way to high. We played dumb football.
Poor tactics from the coach. Why play an open expansive game with high risk passing when you are leading/drawing away from home? You play boring possession football and make them chase you all game.
A dog with a bone :)
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I'm not sure that whatever game plan we chose Queensland would have let us settle...
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Leo 8 Took on his man well, some good crosses including one for the goal, looked likely
err.... 8? Not so sure on this. I'd have gone 4 maybe 5*. In fact, to my embarrassment, I said after about fifteen minutes. "Why isn't Leo playing is he hurt or something...?.
* - even allowing for that cross.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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Every week Edge you give the players on the whole a 7 regardless of how well they played.
Do you have a guide to your system? i.e. 3 - poor, 4 - fair, 5 - satisfactory/capable, 6 - ok, 7 - good, 8 - very good, 9 - excellent or is it just a lottery?
This is New Zealand, A47. You get a 4 just for turning up 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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The system I grew up with had 5 as the lowest mark (guess there was also -, but that was for players who weren't on long enough to do anything), and 10 was the highest. Don't think I'd ever seen a 10 given to anyone, 9s were very rare, and 8s a bit less rare, but not easily given. Most players in a game were in the 5.5-7 range. 7.5 and up indicated a notable performance and better, 5 meant the player was absolute rubbish on the day.
That's what I remember anyway, although guess no-one really cares about it. I'm just bored.el grapadura2008-12-30 21:29:56
That's what I remember anyway, although guess no-one really cares about it. I'm just bored.el grapadura2008-12-30 21:29:56
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That's what I remember anyway, although guess no-one really cares about it. I'm just bored.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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Every week Edge you give the players on the whole a 7 regardless of how well they played.
Do you have a guide to your system? i.e. 3 - poor, 4 - fair, 5 - satisfactory/capable, 6 - ok, 7 - good, 8 - very good, 9 - excellent or is it just a lottery?
This is New Zealand, A47. You get a 4 just for turning up
There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's Jag
Priceless....
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The system I grew up with had 5 as the lowest mark (guess there was also -, but that was for players who weren't on long enough to do anything), and 10 was the highest. Don't think I'd ever seen a 10 given to anyone, 9s were very rare, and 8s a bit less rare, but not easily given. Most players in a game were in the 5.5-7 range. 7.5 and up indicated a notable performance and better, 5 meant the player was absolute rubbish on the day.
That's what I remember anyway, although guess no-one really cares about it. I'm just bored.
That's what I remember anyway, although guess no-one really cares about it. I'm just bored.
The only reason I asked was because Leo got an 8 today but have seen him play better and get less.....
Give us a scale so at least the numbers mean something..... Why not have marks out of 11 cause 11 is so much louder than 10.....
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Ok then.... this is copied from BBC Football's Player Rater, so in answer to someone's statement, this is not a Kiwi version....
10 Pure Perfection
9 Outstanding
8 Very Good
7 Good
6 Average
5 Off Colour
4 Poor
3 Woeful
2 Embarrassingly Bad
1 Give up the Game
Thats the system I base my ratings on, hope this helps!
Lets also hope there will be several 8s this Sunday and even a 9 !!
Oi Oi Edgecumbe2008-12-31 13:11:25Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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have a great 09 OiOi - cheers for the ratings - and the education campaign
hopefully those two 8s and that 9 will be earnt by players who we have signed up for next season
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seems fair!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Nice one, OOE. Always look forward to your ratings after the games. Along with LF1's league tables, they've become a tradition.
Jag2008-12-31 14:38:27
Jag2008-12-31 14:38:27
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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The system I grew up with had 5 as the lowest mark (guess there was also -, but that was for players who weren't on long enough to do anything), and 10 was the highest. Don't think I'd ever seen a 10 given to anyone, 9s were very rare, and 8s a bit less rare, but not easily given. Most players in a game were in the 5.5-7 range. 7.5 and up indicated a notable performance and better, 5 meant the player was absolute rubbish on the day. That's what I remember anyway, although guess no-one really cares about it. I'm just bored.
The only reason I asked was because Leo got an 8 today but have seen him play better and get less.....
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Give us a scale so at least the numbers mean something..... Why not have marks out of 11 cause 11 is so much louder than 10.....
I don't do the ratings myself, I was just yarning about my 'youth' in the context of your question.
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Sorry I was referencing Spinal Tap
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lochead and ferrante were poor
Spot on!
Durante bashing seems to be rife. The source of the mistakes are elsewhere!
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Durante bashing seems to be rife. The source of the mistakes are elsewhere!
And Durante was picture perfect. FFS. Get yourself a brain.
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This is a discussion forum isn't it? How about stick to discussing and pack it in with the insults EH EG. You have an opinion, so do I. My understanding of the game is obviously a bit deeper than yours. THat's my opinion too. OAO.
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