Wellington Phoenix Men

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about 13 years ago

An excellent performance boys, well done

Mossy 9 Outstanding saves and body on the line to keep our lead at the end
Lochie 6 Rating for performance as right back, but considering he's never played there, it was a top performance
Siggy 7 Crunching tackles in the first half set the tone
Dura 6.5 Lead the team well again
Hogg 6 Well done
Leo 6.5 Good contribution all over the park
Manny 7 Cut off the supply line well, and stepped well into right back role at the end
Corey 6.5 Worked and worked
Ifill 7.5 Determination for the goal and some great working first half, denied by Supa Vuka save
Brockie 8 Terrific work for Ifills goal and cross for Steiny's
Steiny 8 His best for us yet? Chased and harried, scored with a header!!
Cernak 6 A couple of near muck ups, but kept the pressure on when Manny had to move
Lindsay 4 Is he injured? Don't think he actually touched the ball

Greenie - great result and you've got the team believing!

Please have your say 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 13 years ago

10's for everyone. Great performance.


(note: there may or may not be a hint of over excitement in this post)


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Brockie 8 Awesome assists but a couple of dumb decisions

Iffy 9 beating players and showing he's got legs with the goal

Lochead, I am not a lochy-hater, but stupid decisions. OK in general play though. Just a bit sick of him giving away stupid fouls. 4

Stein 8.5 Why did ricki not start him?

Mossy MOM. 11.

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about 13 years ago

Lia 8.5 for getting injured :P

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about 13 years ago

Brockie 8 Awesome assists but a couple of dumb decisions

Iffy 9 beating players and showing he's got legs with the goal

Lochead, I am not a lochy-hater, but stupid decisions. OK in general play though. Just a bit sick of him giving away stupid fouls. 4

Stein 8.5 Why did ricki not start him?

Mossy MOM. 11.

I thought Lochhead was better at RB than Hogg was at LB. Yet to be convinced with Hogg...and Lindsay
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about 13 years ago

i thought they would have played him in front of the back 4, and pushed cernak wide, but looked like he was the atttacking midfielder


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about 13 years ago
We really seemed to lose our structure when Manny moved to RB. I know Cernak wasn't fully fit, but I thought he was pretty poor when he came on.
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about 13 years ago

Lindsays been treated like shit. 


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about 13 years ago

I know Cernak wasn't fully fit, but I thought he was pretty poor when he came on.

It was Cernak dispossessing De Silva which set up Iffy to pass to Brockie to cross to Steyn for the second goal.


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about 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Lindsays been treated like shit. 

How so? I'd love to know how you arrive at this. 
I'll wait to hear your response.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

Lindsays been treated like shit. 

How so? I'd love to know how you arrive at this. 
I'll wait to hear your response.

Because he has not got a proper turn. Don't you know we should give everyone a turn. Rotate the squad every week so that everyone gets a turn. It worked at under eights. Why not for an A League side?
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about 13 years ago

Sorry Jeff, my bad. 

Do they also get oranges at half time?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Sorry Jeff, my bad. 

Do they also get oranges at half time?

And an iceblock after the game when the win!
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about 13 years ago

Well I want to play for the Phoenix now and it just wont be fair if I don't a turn.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I know Cernak wasn't fully fit, but I thought he was pretty poor when he came on.

It was Cernak dispossessing De Silva which set up Iffy to pass to Brockie to cross to Steyn for the second goal.



but also him mucking up twice in the last minute that gave them a cross from the byline


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about 13 years ago

Stein was very good.....can't believe how out of sorts he looked under Ricki's setup. Shame that its been a wasted season for him in some ways.....we never got the best put of him until now.

Was that the first assists ever in Brockies career?  His around the park play has got a lot better now. 

How come our defense which was leaking goals all over the show now looks as tight as a ducks bum?

Thought we had blown it when Cernak came on as DM....he needed a needle to get on the field and he looked injured. They were all over us from then on. Lyndsay should have come on straight away too and gone back to shore up the midfield.

It really hard to believe that this is the same group of guys who looked so at sea for most of the season.

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about 13 years ago

I do wonder what has been the catalyst that has turned it around. If it simply was that Ricki had lost them, they you have to ask why the likes of Dura and Ifill didn't go to the board or whomever and said 'we need a new coach, we are probably at the end of the life cycle with Ricki' Would have saved a few losses.

It must be more than that surely.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

They're still a mathematical chance of avoiding the wooden spoon but really there's not much pressure on results any more. They generally look like they're having fun now. Maybe part of the difference. 

I'm not a Lochy hater either, in fact I usually tend to think he's a good player who makes the odd mistake, but last night he was poor with the odd good thing thrown in. The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.

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about 13 years ago

personally thought Hogg stood off his man a little too much and in turn they had a bit more space than lochhead usually allows. 

Fullbacks didnt really push on as much as we usually see but that may have been tactical considering perth's wingers were probably their most dangerous outlet


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about 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

personally thought Hogg stood off his man a little too much and in turn they had a bit more space than lochhead usually allows. 

Fullbacks didnt really push on as much as we usually see but that may have been tactical considering perth's wingers were probably their most dangerous outlet

Hogg did get a mouth full from Moss when Perth scored, he gave McGarry way too much space and allowed the cross - should have looked to close that space down. It was a timid game from Hogg.
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about 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.


I'm not so sure about this, I think it's quite a challenge to switch sides.
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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

timmymadden wrote:

The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.


I'm not so sure about this, I think it's quite a challenge to switch sides.

Got through writing a post on this but my computer died and I lost it.  I agree El G, everything is suddenly reversed when you change sides, how you stand, the angles you want to move players are completely different (in that they are the direct opposite of what he is used to).  Theoretically they are the same, just mirrored, but actually putting that into practice is not that simple.
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about 13 years ago

aitkenmike wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

timmymadden wrote:

The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.


I'm not so sure about this, I think it's quite a challenge to switch sides.

Got through writing a post on this but my computer died and I lost it.  I agree El G, everything is suddenly reversed when you change sides, how you stand, the angles you want to move players are completely different (in that they are the direct opposite of what he is used to).  Theoretically they are the same, just mirrored, but actually putting that into practice is not that simple.

Yep, also your position in relation to the rest of the backline is completely different, your view of the game is different, and the angles opposing players come at you are different, and all this requires adjustment.
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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

timmymadden wrote:

The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.


I'm not so sure about this, I think it's quite a challenge to switch sides.

Got through writing a post on this but my computer died and I lost it.  I agree El G, everything is suddenly reversed when you change sides, how you stand, the angles you want to move players are completely different (in that they are the direct opposite of what he is used to).  Theoretically they are the same, just mirrored, but actually putting that into practice is not that simple.

Yep, also your position in relation to the rest of the backline is completely different, your view of the game is different, and the angles opposing players come at you are different, and all this requires adjustment.


As much as I can see the reasons I'm not sure I fully agree.
Here we have a international for many years and a professional for a long time who should understand the game better than most. Perhaps some just adjust better than others.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

aitkenmike wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

timmymadden wrote:

The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.


I'm not so sure about this, I think it's quite a challenge to switch sides.

Got through writing a post on this but my computer died and I lost it.  I agree El G, everything is suddenly reversed when you change sides, how you stand, the angles you want to move players are completely different (in that they are the direct opposite of what he is used to).  Theoretically they are the same, just mirrored, but actually putting that into practice is not that simple.


I actually think Locky did ok for a guy who is very left foot dominant. Switching from left to right and making it look easy is harder than it may seem

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

timmymadden wrote:

The difference between LB and RB is really minimal, but he really didn't seem to cope with it at all.


I'm not so sure about this, I think it's quite a challenge to switch sides.

Got through writing a post on this but my computer died and I lost it.  I agree El G, everything is suddenly reversed when you change sides, how you stand, the angles you want to move players are completely different (in that they are the direct opposite of what he is used to).  Theoretically they are the same, just mirrored, but actually putting that into practice is not that simple.


I actually think Locky did ok for a guy who is very left foot dominant. Switching from left to right and making it look easy is harder than it may seem


I never said that he did not do OK, as I agree that he did well considering his dominant left foot.
My point was that with all his experience changing from left to right was not life changing, and not as difficult as some might think.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

except he's never played on the right before.....therefore his experience meant very little.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

except he's never played on the right before.....therefore his experience meant very little.



His experience as a professional would have carried him through.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

I think you underestimate the change - how many professional footballers do you see that are capable of passing/shooting with both feet? very few, why? cos it isn't as easy as it ios made to look. Locky is a specialist left back, that's what he trains at being and what he is "good" at. Some of the skills are transferrable to RB, but the switch in sides can be tough to get your head around.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

I think you underestimate the change - how many professional footballers do you see that are capable of passing/shooting with both feet? very few, why? cos it isn't as easy as it ios made to look. Locky is a specialist left back, that's what he trains at being and what he is "good" at. Some of the skills are transferrable to RB, but the switch in sides can be tough to get your head around.



It is not like you are asking him to play  as a striker.
As for how many professional footballers can pass/shoot with both feet-- EPL and European leagues etc.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 I'm still not sure what role they were asking Lindsay to play when he came on.



He was playing Striker almost. Loitering around the Perth backline and not getting involved much. Must be hard for him, gets no game time then gets chucked on for 10 mins, out of position, with the structure up shit creek.
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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

I think you underestimate the change - how many professional footballers do you see that are capable of passing/shooting with both feet? very few, why? cos it isn't as easy as it ios made to look. Locky is a specialist left back, that's what he trains at being and what he is "good" at. Some of the skills are transferrable to RB, but the switch in sides can be tough to get your head around.



Manny's been expected to play both sides...fair expectation if Lochy's going to carry on there in the twilight of his career he should show some versatility to cover at a pinch....


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about 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

theprof wrote:

I think you underestimate the change - how many professional footballers do you see that are capable of passing/shooting with both feet? very few, why? cos it isn't as easy as it ios made to look. Locky is a specialist left back, that's what he trains at being and what he is "good" at. Some of the skills are transferrable to RB, but the switch in sides can be tough to get your head around.



Manny's been expected to play both sides...

And was a pretty bad left full-back. Like I said, it's not an easy transition to make.
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about 13 years ago

amd wjhen manny moved to LB he did an ok job but nothing to write home about - can you not jusy agree mb that being able to play both LB and RB equally good is a tough ask.....and unfortunately not a lot of players can do it adequately.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

Maybe I'm gifted (or playing WELL below A-League level) but I play both RB and LB on a regular basis, I'm right foot dominant but can use my left under enough pressure. You don't need to have a left foot to play on the left side or right foot to play the right side, that's a myth given to us at junior level. The two positions are exactly the same just mirrored. I agree that RB and LB are specialist positions but they're only the same as each other. You use the same positioning, marking and pace techniques on both sides. I'm not berating the guy I just don't think he coped as well as he should have.

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about 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Maybe I'm gifted (or playing WELL below A-League level) but I play both RB and LB on a regular basis, I'm right foot dominant but can use my left under enough pressure. You don't need to have a left foot to play on the left side or right foot to play the right side, that's a myth given to us at junior level. The two positions are exactly the same just mirrored. I agree that RB and LB are specialist positions but they're only the same as each other. You use the same positioning, marking and pace techniques on both sides. I'm not berating the guy I just don't think he coped as well as he should have.



But only being able to use your left foot when "under enough pressure" highlights the very reason why it is so tricky for a LB to swap to RB, or vice versa. Forget mirrored positioning, angles, etc, the simple fact is that if you are being forced to play on the 'wrong foot' you become a far less effective footballer. Not only is your kicking accuracy and range of passing reduced but your tactical awareness of the game is stifled because you are constantly trying to bring the ball back on to your good foot, to the detriment of the team game.

Of course if you're ambidextrous then no problem, but since Lochy clearly isn't he is going to have a challenging time getting to grips with the RB role, no matter how experienced a professional he is.

And on that, I am still puzzled as to why two natural RB options were overlooked and Lochy levered into the job. Didn't matter in the end but, while not denying that he made a fair fist of it overall, he did manage to make the utterly rubbish Nagai look quite good.
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about 13 years ago

timmymadden wrote:

Maybe I'm gifted (or playing WELL below A-League level) but I play both RB and LB on a regular basis, I'm right foot dominant but can use my left under enough pressure. You don't need to have a left foot to play on the left side or right foot to play the right side, that's a myth given to us at junior level. The two positions are exactly the same just mirrored. I agree that RB and LB are specialist positions but they're only the same as each other. You use the same positioning, marking and pace techniques on both sides. I'm not berating the guy I just don't think he coped as well as he should have.



as I've said earlier I'm equally confident with both left and right foot, and play LB normally, I struggle to get used to the right sidfe when asked to play there, so perhaps not as gifted as you....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

theprof wrote:

I think you underestimate the change - how many professional footballers do you see that are capable of passing/shooting with both feet? very few, why? cos it isn't as easy as it ios made to look. Locky is a specialist left back, that's what he trains at being and what he is "good" at. Some of the skills are transferrable to RB, but the switch in sides can be tough to get your head around.



It is not like you are asking him to play  as a striker.
As for how many professional footballers can pass/shoot with both feet-- EPL and European leagues etc.
Yeah Id actually say most quality footballers can shoot and pass off both feet. If ive always been able to id hope most professionals certainly could
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really?? have you watched the EPL latley, very few in the league can play with both feet - it astounds me - Rooney can't, RVP can and does, there are very few in the a-league that can play off both feet,

Queenslander 3x a year.

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