Player ravings v Tards
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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Woh, one of the best displays for a while....
I missed the first 15 min or so, so feel free to comment on performances that I might not have taken into account.
Paston 7 More commanding than usual, but not a lot of saves to make
Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
McKain 9 Outstanding display to keep Thompson shut out and on the back foot
Durante 7 Looked to have excellent understanding with McKain
Lochie 6 Solid, didn't seem to have a lot to do
Daniel 7.5 or 8 Excellent crosses, a real worry for their defence
Ifill 8 Creates and creates, lots of heart too
Brown 8.5 His best ever game for the Nix?
Lia 7 Did really well in midfield
Bertos 6 Not many chances to shine today
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Hearfield 6 Did the job well
Rojas good to see him get a couple of touches.
Well done team.
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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yeah I agree with that
maybe a bit harsh on bertos
Cosimo2009-09-13 20:31:55
I like tautologies because I like them.
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I'd take one off Bertos for his haircut anywaychocnut2009-09-13 20:37:04
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Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Manny was giving it straight back to them and never backed down 1 inch. I would push him to 7.5
Greenie worked is ass off and you only give him a 6.5??
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Manny was giving it straight back to them and never backed down 1 inch. I would push him to 7.5
Greenie worked is ass off and you only give him a 6.5??
Running a lot does not equal a high rating.
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you might want to drop paston's value, especially after you watch the first 5 minutes. whilst the free kick wasn't his fault his positioning was sh*te for the kick. He should have been way closer to the right hand side of the goal mouth....
I'm happy with everyone elses.
I'm happy with everyone elses.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Manny was giving it straight back to them and never backed down 1 inch. I would push him to 7.5
Greenie worked is ass off and you only give him a 6.5??
Running a lot does not equal a high rating.
The descriptor used was 'worked his ass' off not 'ran alot'. Working your ass off = more than a 6.5
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Woh, one of the best displays for a while....
Really? We played THAT well?I missed the first 15 min or so, so feel free to comment on performances that I might not have taken into account.
Paston 7 More commanding than usual, but not a lot of saves to make
Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
McKain 9 Outstanding display to keep Thompson shut out and on the back foot
Durante 7 Looked to have excellent understanding with McKain
Lochie 6 Solid, didn't seem to have a lot to do
Daniel 7.5 or 8 Excellent crosses, a real worry for their defence
Ifill 8 Creates and creates, lots of heart too
Brown 8.5 His best ever game for the Nix?
Lia 7 Did really well in midfield
Bertos 6 Not many chances to shine today
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Hearfield 6 Did the job well
Rojas good to see him get a couple of touches.
Well done team.
f**k me our angle was sh*te, had no idea we were doing so well.
Well done Nix, big shame we didn't snatch a win.
You know we belong together...
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Yeah Manny had a really good game I thought. 7.5 for him
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Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Manny was giving it straight back to them and never backed down 1 inch. I would push him to 7.5
Greenie worked is ass off and you only give him a 6.5??
Running a lot does not equal a high rating.
The descriptor used was 'worked his ass' off not 'ran alot'. Working your ass off = more than a 6.5
If working your ass off doesn't refer to running a lot, what does it refer to? Trying hard?
PS: I'm not saying Greenacre was really bad, but I wouldn't be giving him a high rating.
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Good all round performance. Def and Mid were better organised than they have been and there seemed to be more energy in the legs of most today.
Thought Blochead and Paston were average. Kicking goal kicks out on the full isn't acceptable.
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It annoyed me in injury time when Paston took his time getting the ball and taking the goal kick. Would have liked to see a bit more urgency in getting the ball in play and going for the win. Kicked it out on the full anyway as you said.
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Looked like we were playing for the draw in that last 5 minutes.
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you might want to drop paston's value, especially after you watch the first 5 minutes. whilst the free kick wasn't his fault his positioning was sh*te for the kick. He should have been way closer to the right hand side of the goal mouth....I'm happy with everyone elses.
I disagree. His organisational skills were fantastic today and he looked commanding in the air. Also the few saves he had to make (he didn't have to make many due to his great organisation of the defence) looked strong, an example would be that shot that was low and hard by the post if you remember that. I think 7 is a good showing of his game today.
Perhaps he had slightly poor positioning for the FK. However the to wall was there to block it but Hernandez took a fantastic freekick that curled so I don't think Paston can be blamed at all. Obviously his kicking game has never been strong and today it was no different but it is not a huge part of goalkeeping.
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Defence was absolutely brilliant. McKain was a monster and Durante
probably had his best game in a Nix shirt. Were a bit off going forward
for most of the game but still thought we played better in that regard
than last week.
Brown was everywhere as well. He is brilliant at popping up at the right time - just needs to finish a bit better. Good work for the goal though.
Brown was everywhere as well. He is brilliant at popping up at the right time - just needs to finish a bit better. Good work for the goal though.
a.haak
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Looked like we were playing for the draw in that last 5 minutes.
Yeah that annoyed me. We dawdled with our last couple of goal kicks. No urgency. They were happy with a point.
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Woh, one of the best displays for a while....
Really? We played THAT well?I missed the first 15 min or so, so feel free to comment on performances that I might not have taken into account.
Paston 7 More commanding than usual, but not a lot of saves to make
Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
McKain 9 Outstanding display to keep Thompson shut out and on the back foot
Durante 7 Looked to have excellent understanding with McKain
Lochie 6 Solid, didn't seem to have a lot to do
Daniel 7.5 or 8 Excellent crosses, a real worry for their defence
Ifill 8 Creates and creates, lots of heart too
Brown 8.5 His best ever game for the Nix?
Lia 7 Did really well in midfield
Bertos 6 Not many chances to shine today
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Hearfield 6 Did the job well
Rojas good to see him get a couple of touches.
Well done team.
f**k me our angle was sh*te, had no idea we were doing so well.
Well done Nix, big shame we didn't snatch a win.
Maybe you should have stayed at home. Missed a good game
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Looked like we were playing for the draw in that last 5 minutes.
Yeah that annoyed me. We dawdled with our last couple of goal kicks. No urgency. They were happy with a point.
Muscat was playing CB for the last 5 or so minutes. 'Nuff said.
Paston 6 Makes me nervous every time he comes out. Didn't position himself very well when it was obvious Hernandez was going to try for that corner - was a good hit though
Manny 7 Did pretty well. The fullbacks always look good against Melbourne because they play with no width
McKain 9 My MoM - was brilliant. Best game in a nix shirt. Hopefully his injury isn't bad.
Durante 7.5 Probably one of his best games as well. Playing against Melbourne, pretty much all of the attacks go through the middle - the amount of times Durante and McKain shepharded Archie or Fabiano out was amazing
Durante 7.5 Probably one of his best games as well. Playing against Melbourne, pretty much all of the attacks go through the middle - the amount of times Durante and McKain shepharded Archie or Fabiano out was amazing
Lochie 6.5 Solid - same as Manny. Never has much to do against Melbourne.
Daniel 7.5 Will have to watch the replay but he seemed to play pretty well - not as well as last week, mind you
Ifill 7.5 Not his best game, however saying 'not his best game' for Ifill is a bit deceiving because it's such a high standard where he is concered - still had a couple of great moments
Brown 8.5 He gets into scoring positions like no other midfielder we have but unfortunately doesn't convert most of the time. Luckily for us he converted on tonight - could've had a hat trick. Bit like last week.
Lia 6.5 Didn't notice him too much but will have to watch the replay. Solid outing.
Bertos 6.5 Unusually quiet day at the office for Leo
Greenie 6.5 Worked very hard like usual but am starting to question whether we will ever see any end product. Don't think the combination with Ifill is really there yet.
Hearfield 6 Solid without being spectacular
Rojas Not on long enough to rate but certainly willing to have a go and was impressed with his tracking back - he made a couple of crucial tackles. Didn't have much chance to get forward but put in a terrific cross at the end there which could very well of grabbed us the winner.
I watched live so a few of the ratings might be off
I watched live so a few of the ratings might be off
valeo2009-09-13 22:52:56
a.haak
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I don't think Paston deserves a 6 because you get nervous when he comes out. Plus how does one slight positioning error make him a 6? Obviously you gave him a bias rating.
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Yeah, you had to really squint to see what was going on up field. When McKain got injured it looked like he had made some sort of match saving tackle, so YF all cheered. But in fact I still have no idea what actually happened there.
Credit to Paston for getting his feet in the way when Melb stormed through the gaping hole of our defence a few minutes after we scored. Critical save - I thought we were goners
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Woh, one of the best displays for a while....
Really? We played THAT well?I missed the first 15 min or so, so feel free to comment on performances that I might not have taken into account.
Paston 7 More commanding than usual, but not a lot of saves to make
Manny 7 Great tussle with his man, a couple of top runs forward
McKain 9 Outstanding display to keep Thompson shut out and on the back foot
Durante 7 Looked to have excellent understanding with McKain
Lochie 6 Solid, didn't seem to have a lot to do
Daniel 7.5 or 8 Excellent crosses, a real worry for their defence
Ifill 8 Creates and creates, lots of heart too
Brown 8.5 His best ever game for the Nix?
Lia 7 Did really well in midfield
Bertos 6 Not many chances to shine today
Greenie 6.5 Worked his arse off
Hearfield 6 Did the job well
Rojas good to see him get a couple of touches.
Well done team.
f**k me our angle was sh*te, had no idea we were doing so well.
Well done Nix, big shame we didn't snatch a win.
Maybe you should have stayed at home. Missed a good game
I'll track down a replay when I get back, still have to watch the Jordan game too.
You know we belong together...
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Brown 8.5 He gets into scoring positions like no other midfielder we have but unfortunately doesn't convert most of the time. Luckily for us he converted on tonight - could've had a hat trick. Bit like last week.
Yeah he should have at least got that free header on target yesterday..
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I don't think Paston deserves a 6 because you get nervous when he comes out. Plus how does one slight positioning error make him a 6? Obviously you gave him a bias rating.
Mark, you're a spangle. One positioning error that leads to the oppositions only goal? Doesn't deserve a 6 for that. Well less. You're the one giving yourself a bias rating.
We're just lucky Melbourne's keeper isn't much better than ours, haha.
As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers
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paston was poor, a 6 is generous. He can't kick, has poor command of his area, though its hard to blame him for the goal we conceded. He gets a generous six. Have yet to see him have a convincing game for the nix.
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Brown 8.5 He gets into scoring positions like no other midfielder we have but unfortunately doesn't convert most of the time. Luckily for us he converted on tonight - could've had a hat trick. Bit like last week.
Yeah he should have at least got that free header on target yesterday..
Just saw the goal on telly for the first time - jeez, didn't realise what a great finish it was! Terrific stuff to bring it down and get it in the corner. Typical of him to score the hard chance and miss easy ones! :D
valeo2009-09-14 17:43:24
a.haak
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I'd take one off Bertos for his haircut anyway
na, he has shaved it all off now.
the nix were on my Qantas flight to welly this morning.
gave Ifill a handshake
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Were you at the game whooooooo? Didn't get to meet the famous man with a plan.
You know we belong together...
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I'd take one off Bertos for his haircut anyway
na, he has shaved it all off now.the nix were on my Qantas flight to welly this morning.gave Ifill a handshake�
Oh thank god for that
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I don't think Paston deserves a 6 because you get nervous when he comes out. Plus how does one slight positioning error make him a 6? Obviously you gave him a bias rating.
Mark, you're a spangle. One positioning error that leads to the oppositions only goal? Doesn't deserve a 6 for that. Well less. You're the one giving yourself a bias rating.We're just lucky Melbourne's keeper isn't much better than ours, haha.
Credit to Paston for one outstanding save. Nice free kick for the goal but Paston should have done a hell of a lot better on it. I cannot recall a single back pass to Paston that he dealt with well and this is a key role for a modern keeper.
Frankly, Paston worries the hell out of me, we have top 6 aspirations with a bottom 6 keeper.
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I don't think Paston deserves a 6 because you get nervous when he comes out. Plus how does one slight positioning error make him a 6? Obviously you gave him a bias rating.
Mark, you're a spangle. One positioning error that leads to the oppositions only goal? Doesn't deserve a 6 for that. Well less. You're the one giving yourself a bias rating.We're just lucky Melbourne's keeper isn't much better than ours, haha.
Credit to Paston for one outstanding save. Nice free kick for the goal but Paston should have done a hell of a lot better on it. I cannot recall a single back pass to Paston that he dealt with well and this is a key role for a modern keeper.
Frankly, Paston worries the hell out of me, we have top 6 aspirations with a bottom 6 keeper.
Do you think some of the back-passing to him is a bit...lazy. Why not put some toe into it and be damn sure, instead of a nudge in his direction that would be intercepted by a quick man chasing it down if paston decided to wait for it. Is there any good reason for that? (yes, I know they shouldn't hit it so hard he might let him through, but some of this soft toe-pokes into no-mans' land get me edgy).
And Paston "should have done a hell of a lot better" with the free kick. How? The kick was awarded right in the middle, which is where he stood. He dived as soon as it got over the wall, covered a fair chunk of real estate, but it still got past him. His reactions did not seem unduly slow by any stretch of the imagination.
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What's the deal with all this Paston bashing?? People need to get over the fact Moss has left and move on. Can't believe trying to blame him for the free kick. If someone hits it that perfrectly there is F all you can do about it. And surely if we are going to blame anyone it should be the guy that gave the free kick away.
And onanother note... what has happened to Blochead since season 1. He's lost the ability to cross a ball and at times looks clueless in defence. Hopefully he'll come right soon.
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I don't think Paston deserves a 6 because you get nervous when he comes out. Plus how does one slight positioning error make him a 6? Obviously you gave him a bias rating.
Mark, you're a spangle. One positioning error that leads to the oppositions only goal? Doesn't deserve a 6 for that. Well less. You're the one giving yourself a bias rating.We're just lucky Melbourne's keeper isn't much better than ours, haha.
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Do you think some of the back-passing to him is a bit...lazy.� Why not put some toe into it and be damn sure, instead of a nudge in his direction that would be intercepted by a quick man chasing it down if paston decided to wait for it.� Is there any good reason for that?� (yes, I know they shouldn't hit it so hard he might let him through, but some of this soft toe-pokes into no-mans' land get me edgy).
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And Paston "should have done a hell of a lot better" with the free kick.� How? The kick was awarded right in the middle, which is where he stood.� He dived as soon as it got over the wall, covered a fair chunk of real estate, but it still got past him. His reactions did not seem unduly slow by any stretch of the imagination.
Agree totally unnecessary free kick for Lia to give away. We'll have to disagree on the effort to save it I thought he was slow to react and this was not a free kick into the top corner it was roughly 1.5-2 metres inside the post and just over half the height of the goal.
Not Paston bashing just think he could have done better on a couple of things and rate him as one of the weaker keepers in the league.
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Frankly, Paston worries the hell out of me, we have top 6 aspirations with a bottom 6 keeper.
You know we belong together...
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Frankly, Paston worries the hell out of me, we have top 6 aspirations with a bottom 6 keeper.
The top 33.3% of the bottom 6 go through though.
Can't fault your maths
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Maybe one or two of the most agile keepers in the league would've got to that free kick but I doubt it.
Paston has yet to let us down (touch wood) in the way the following have for their teams: Kennedy, Vukovic, Velaphi and Henderson. All have made horrible blunders that have cost games and points.
Moss and Higgins have also looked uncertain.
Only Galekovic, Bolton and, surprisingly, Reddy have looked in good form so far.
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What's the deal with all this Paston bashing?? People need to get over the fact Moss has left and move on. Can't believe trying to blame him for the free kick. If someone hits it that perfrectly there is F all you can do about it. And surely if we are going to blame anyone it should be the guy that gave the free kick away.
And onanother note... what has happened to Blochead since season 1. He's lost the ability to cross a ball and at times looks clueless in defence. Hopefully he'll come right soon.
I think the Paston bashing is simply a reaction to WellyPhoenixFans constant and unflapable, yet hugely rose tinted, view that Paston is the second coming. I haven't seen a lot of Paston this year but I think my view is tarnished by THAT Adelaide game where he was at 6's and 7's throughout. In saying that Paston has potential, he's massive and, according to one in every three of WPF posts, he has vast organisational skills. If it gets down to a shootout come world cup qualifiers I'll be glad Paston is there rather than Moss.
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For goodness sakes does everything goes down on Paston?
In a free kick in front of the goal there are three main basic ways a direct shot can be done. The first that everyone knows is the pretty curve ball over the wall into the near top corner with a sideways spin to the ball like Beckham does. The second is the massive drive shot along the ground to the bottom corner right close to the post to the inside side netting. That shot is to the side of the wall where the keeper has position himself more to center of the goal to cover the first option and the third option. The third option is a slight curve with a power with less spin and that it is more centred than the first curved option. This is the option that the Melbourne player had chosen.
I cannot see how people are saying that he can save that goal as it was a textbook direct freekick that not one keeper can humanly react to it in time.. You can't say that Paston was not in the right position either as he can only save freekicks that are either not stuck well in power or with the right spin/curve nor in the right direction. That freekick did not allow any such mistake. Paston was position correctly as he can only go so far to the center of the goal without being caught out by the drive shot option.
Calls for him to be even more central position is ridiculous as any player at that level let alone a free kick specialist should be able to do the drive shot. Had he took a more centre role and the free kick specialist saw that, it would be the most simple goal that he would ever get and everyone will be calling for him to lose his starting lineup place and any keeper would die from embarrassment.
At least he was in a position to stop that drive shot and hoped that more third option shot was less powerful that he could get to it or that there was lesser curve/dip to the shot that he would be almost Johnny on the spot. If it was the pretty first option that people are more familiar with then, Paston, from his position maybe able to scramble across and stop a less accurate curve shot.
I don't think you can be in a better position that he was in for that free kick.
And honestly, who else can you replace him with? Moss is gone, the Aussie kid is still learning, and Jacob Oram is a professional cricketer on NZC contract who gets extra $$ for when he turns up a 20/20 IPL tournament month whenever that happens plus he hasn't played a soccer game for an very long time.
In a free kick in front of the goal there are three main basic ways a direct shot can be done. The first that everyone knows is the pretty curve ball over the wall into the near top corner with a sideways spin to the ball like Beckham does. The second is the massive drive shot along the ground to the bottom corner right close to the post to the inside side netting. That shot is to the side of the wall where the keeper has position himself more to center of the goal to cover the first option and the third option. The third option is a slight curve with a power with less spin and that it is more centred than the first curved option. This is the option that the Melbourne player had chosen.
I cannot see how people are saying that he can save that goal as it was a textbook direct freekick that not one keeper can humanly react to it in time.. You can't say that Paston was not in the right position either as he can only save freekicks that are either not stuck well in power or with the right spin/curve nor in the right direction. That freekick did not allow any such mistake. Paston was position correctly as he can only go so far to the center of the goal without being caught out by the drive shot option.
Calls for him to be even more central position is ridiculous as any player at that level let alone a free kick specialist should be able to do the drive shot. Had he took a more centre role and the free kick specialist saw that, it would be the most simple goal that he would ever get and everyone will be calling for him to lose his starting lineup place and any keeper would die from embarrassment.
At least he was in a position to stop that drive shot and hoped that more third option shot was less powerful that he could get to it or that there was lesser curve/dip to the shot that he would be almost Johnny on the spot. If it was the pretty first option that people are more familiar with then, Paston, from his position maybe able to scramble across and stop a less accurate curve shot.
I don't think you can be in a better position that he was in for that free kick.
And honestly, who else can you replace him with? Moss is gone, the Aussie kid is still learning, and Jacob Oram is a professional cricketer on NZC contract who gets extra $$ for when he turns up a 20/20 IPL tournament month whenever that happens plus he hasn't played a soccer game for an very long time.
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I'd take one off Bertos for his haircut anyway
na, he has shaved it all off now.the nix were on my Qantas flight to welly this morning.gave Ifill a handshake
Oh thank god for that
i was at the game, yes. it was great.
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For goodness sakes does everything goes down on Paston?
In a free kick in front of the goal there are three main basic ways a direct shot can be done. The first that everyone knows is the pretty curve ball over the wall into the near top corner with a sideways spin to the ball like Beckham does. The second is the massive drive shot along the ground to the bottom corner right close to the post to the inside side netting. That shot is to the side of the wall where the keeper has position himself more to center of the goal to cover the first option and the third option. The third option is a slight curve with a power with less spin and that it is more centred than the first curved option. This is the option that the Melbourne player had chosen.
I cannot see how people are saying that he can save that goal as it was a textbook direct freekick that not one keeper can humanly react to it in time.. You can't say that Paston was not in the right position either as he can only save freekicks that are either not stuck well in power or with the right spin/curve nor in the right direction. That freekick did not allow any such mistake. Paston was position correctly as he can only go so far to the center of the goal without being caught out by the drive shot option.
Calls for him to be even more central position is ridiculous as any player at that level let alone a free kick specialist should be able to do the drive shot. Had he took a more centre role and the free kick specialist saw that, it would be the most simple goal that he would ever get and everyone will be calling for him to lose his starting lineup place and any keeper would die from embarrassment.
At least he was in a position to stop that drive shot and hoped that more third option shot was less powerful that he could get to it or that there was lesser curve/dip to the shot that he would be almost Johnny on the spot. If it was the pretty first option that people are more familiar with then, Paston, from his position maybe able to scramble across and stop a less accurate curve shot.
I don't think you can be in a better position that he was in for that free kick.
And honestly, who else can you replace him with? Moss is gone, the Aussie kid is still learning, and Jacob Oram is a professional cricketer on NZC contract who gets extra $$ for when he turns up a 20/20 IPL tournament month whenever that happens plus he hasn't played a soccer game for an very long time.
In a free kick in front of the goal there are three main basic ways a direct shot can be done. The first that everyone knows is the pretty curve ball over the wall into the near top corner with a sideways spin to the ball like Beckham does. The second is the massive drive shot along the ground to the bottom corner right close to the post to the inside side netting. That shot is to the side of the wall where the keeper has position himself more to center of the goal to cover the first option and the third option. The third option is a slight curve with a power with less spin and that it is more centred than the first curved option. This is the option that the Melbourne player had chosen.
I cannot see how people are saying that he can save that goal as it was a textbook direct freekick that not one keeper can humanly react to it in time.. You can't say that Paston was not in the right position either as he can only save freekicks that are either not stuck well in power or with the right spin/curve nor in the right direction. That freekick did not allow any such mistake. Paston was position correctly as he can only go so far to the center of the goal without being caught out by the drive shot option.
Calls for him to be even more central position is ridiculous as any player at that level let alone a free kick specialist should be able to do the drive shot. Had he took a more centre role and the free kick specialist saw that, it would be the most simple goal that he would ever get and everyone will be calling for him to lose his starting lineup place and any keeper would die from embarrassment.
At least he was in a position to stop that drive shot and hoped that more third option shot was less powerful that he could get to it or that there was lesser curve/dip to the shot that he would be almost Johnny on the spot. If it was the pretty first option that people are more familiar with then, Paston, from his position maybe able to scramble across and stop a less accurate curve shot.
I don't think you can be in a better position that he was in for that free kick.
And honestly, who else can you replace him with? Moss is gone, the Aussie kid is still learning, and Jacob Oram is a professional cricketer on NZC contract who gets extra $$ for when he turns up a 20/20 IPL tournament month whenever that happens plus he hasn't played a soccer game for an very long time.
You are far too sensible for these forums.
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