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Possible replacements for Chiefy

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about 1 year ago
Ricki Herbert
about 1 year ago
Lol. Before the WWC part of me wondered what might happen if Ricki took over at the last minute from Klimkova, could he have turned around the team's fortunes instantly like he did when he took over the Knights all those years ago? I don't think he's looking to take on a big permanent job these days. 
Ninja
Ricki Herbert
about 1 year ago
number8
MetalLegNZ
I like Greeny, but for whatever reason he's been over looked a fee times already.

I guess he’s happy in his current job, no ambition for the stressful first team job. Has more fun working with youth.
This is understandable but contrary to some points on this thread - in Europe I have definitely seen it happen a few times where an internal appointment with experience on the youth side of the club has taken the first team head coach role, given it a go and in the end has returned back to the reserves/youth side.

Greenacre is a legend of the club and providing he didn't burn any bridges as first team coach would be welcome to stick around in another capacity if it didn't work out. 
about 1 year ago
imanixsupporter
Lol. Before the WWC part of me wondered what might happen if Ricki took over at the last minute from Klimkova, could he have turned around the team's fortunes instantly like he did when he took over the Knights all those years ago? I don't think he's looking to take on a big permanent job these days. 
Ninja
Ricki Herbert
Klimkova did better at the World Cup than through pretty much any other spell of her leadership. Not convinced there's any evidence Ricki would have done better especially at short notice
about 1 year ago
Ollie Harder.

I’d have taken him for the AW job at the last round.
about 1 year ago
number8
MetalLegNZ
I like Greeny, but for whatever reason he's been over looked a fee times already.

I guess he’s happy in his current job, no ambition for the stressful first team job. Has more fun working with youth.

He might well enjoy a bit of job security. I’d say 99% of us have jobs for life whereas 99% of coaches only have a job for a season or two bar your Wengers, Fergusons etc.

I image he enjoys stepping up in a temporary measure knowing his job is safe unlike Cheify who might be signing on in a few weeks.
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about 1 year ago
LT01
imanixsupporter
Lol. Before the WWC part of me wondered what might happen if Ricki took over at the last minute from Klimkova, could he have turned around the team's fortunes instantly like he did when he took over the Knights all those years ago? I don't think he's looking to take on a big permanent job these days. 
Ninja
Ricki Herbert
Klimkova did better at the World Cup than through pretty much any other spell of her leadership. Not convinced there's any evidence Ricki would have done better especially at short notice

Also zero experience as far I know of, coaching in the women's game. It's different. 
about 1 year ago
My team just literally fired our coach, who had successful experience coaching u17 boy's rep squads, because he just couldn't comprehend "woman-management"

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about 1 year ago
theprof
AucklandPhoenix
I’m preety sure he has applied at least the last 3 rounds. 

He's been the interim boss three times, and as Coochie says he's had someone else with him who had the badges. Whether he has applied for the perm role is unknown. I dont think the club has ever provided a list of applicants.
you can be an interim coach without the required qualifications for a certain number of games, why when the Des/Greenie management team was extended to the end of the season Des had to be made head coach on paper. I don't think Greenie has ever applied to be head coach as he's never been able to be one until recently.
about 1 year ago
Greenie on a 1 year deal with the proviso he will continue at the club in another capacity if it doesn't work out? 
about 1 year ago
Ollie Harder's Yellow Army..... fits the chant well, sign him up!
ClubOranje
Ollie Harder.

I’d have taken him for the AW job at the last round.
12 months ago
Des in town for the game tonight, will be on Sky Sports broadcast, according to AV on Twitter. Any chance he could be speaking to Welnix about the job for next season? It'd be borderline negligent for them to not at least have a chat with him surely 
12 months ago
That would be a massive coup
imanixsupporter
Des in town for the game tonight, will be on Sky Sports broadcast, according to AV on Twitter. Any chance he could be speaking to Welnix about the job for next season? It'd be borderline negligent for them to not at least have a chat with him surely 
12 months ago
a half time, he made the point about how we are playing compared to recent weeks. 

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12 months ago
Des has a lot of knowledge of how this team plays, preparation for a job interview?

I wonder how Chiefy felt standing next to his replacement at the after-match tv interview.
12 months ago
As I said in the match thread yesterday, I highly doubt that if Des had any intention of seeking the job for next season that he would have been on a TV panel interviewing Chiefy. Would probably be unprofessional of him and Sky TV to do that. 
12 months ago
imanixsupporter
As I said in the match thread yesterday, I highly doubt that if Des had any intention of seeking the job for next season that he would have been on a TV panel interviewing Chiefy. Would probably be unprofessional of him and Sky TV to do that. 

Why unprofessional?
He’s unemployed currently, he can do whatever he wants to earn some coin
12 months ago
i think he could have gone on the broadcast no problem, just probably should have recused himself from the after match panel interviewing Chiefy if he was hoping to take his job. The role is pseudojournalistic and as such there is something of an expectation of impartiality.

But I believe that Des probably doesn't intend to seek the Nix job at this stage, and as such there is probably no conflict of interest here.
ClubOranje
imanixsupporter
As I said in the match thread yesterday, I highly doubt that if Des had any intention of seeking the job for next season that he would have been on a TV panel interviewing Chiefy. Would probably be unprofessional of him and Sky TV to do that. 

Why unprofessional?
He’s unemployed currently, he can do whatever he wants to earn some coin
12 months ago
Yeah I wouldn't want Des coaching them if he is ok with interviewing the current coach how he did yesterday... it is a mad conflict of interest and completely unprofessional if he is being considered for the job 
12 months ago
But it's all hypothetical atm right? Chief still has the job and des was doing something while unemployed. I don't get the issue if at the end of the season we let chief go and Des applies for the job. Remember the title of this thread is possible replacements. 
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12 months ago
No job has been advertised... had it been, then yes a bad look, but it's fine for now.
12 months ago
Looks like a bit of movement in terms of gaffer for other A-League clubs too. Anyone else viable outside the below 5? 

- Des Buckingham
- Chris Greenacre
- Rob Stanton 
- Carl Veart
- Chiefy Stays 
12 months ago
The silence says it all.
12 months ago
Des would be a magnificent acquisition. Perfect timing with Chief’s contract ending.
12 months ago
It's so unlikely that the club replaces Chiefy. There's no ambition or ruthlessness within upper management. I'm pretty sure Kalezic is the only permanent manager that the club decided to let go, the rest all left themselves under no pressure from the club. Chiefy has made it very clear he plans on staying. The club have made no noises that they are even considering the possibility that Chiefy won't be retained. 

But part of me wonders if the abysmal crowd last weekend might have some people at Nix HQ thinking. If the remaining two home games saw even worse turnouts, might that get them to do something? I think it'd be pretty easy, if overall fan sentiment was that Chiefy had to go, to engineer such low attendances that Welnix's hand would be forced. Though that's of course hypothetical, I think there is very little Chiefy out sentiment around given the circumstances. 
12 months ago · edited 12 months ago · History
The crowd was 3698.
They are so embarrassed that they don’t announce it anymore. I know there was some other event and they missed a bit of a better game. The fact is, the season is about nothing at this point, we are not even fighting for the wooden spoon, that would be somehow an exciting team building experience.

Average crowd size 8,567
Without the Auckland Game 6,356


12 months ago
Is that figure/average including the 12k Christchurch game?

Auckland will rise once more

12 months ago
imanixsupporter
It's so unlikely that the club replaces Chiefy. There's no ambition or ruthlessness within upper management. I'm pretty sure Kalezic is the only permanent manager that the club decided to let go, the rest all left themselves under no pressure from the club. Chiefy has made it very clear he plans on staying. The club have made no noises that they are even considering the possibility that Chiefy won't be retained. 

But part of me wonders if the abysmal crowd last weekend might have some people at Nix HQ thinking. If the remaining two home games saw even worse turnouts, might that get them to do something? I think it'd be pretty easy, if overall fan sentiment was that Chiefy had to go, to engineer such low attendances that Welnix's hand would be forced. Though that's of course hypothetical, I think there is very little Chiefy out sentiment around given the circumstances. 

Just sums up Wellington as a city really. Very kind and friendly. 

Not a cut-throat place.
12 months ago
number8
The crowd was 3698.
They are so embarrassed that they don’t announce it anymore. I know there was some other event and they missed a bit of a better game. The fact is, the season is about nothing at this point, we are not even fighting for the wooden spoon, that would be somehow an exciting team building experience.

Average crowd size 8,567
Without the Auckland Game 6,356


 Hey we're playing to avoid a trip to Darwin I guess
12 months ago
AucklandPhoenix
Is that figure/average including the 12k Christchurch game?

My bad.
8.5 K are All home games, including the 14k game in Christchurch
6.5 K is only Sky Stadium
Would be 7.2 K all ‘Home’ games including our Christchurch fans if my math is correct.
12 months ago
number8
The crowd was 3698.
They are so embarrassed that they don’t announce it anymore. I know there was some other event and they missed a bit of a better game. The fact is, the season is about nothing at this point, we are not even fighting for the wooden spoon, that would be somehow an exciting team building experience.

Average crowd size 8,567
Without the Auckland Game 6,356


To be fair that attendance is not even close to being the lowest in the A League this season. Some teams have got nowhere near 3000, while Melb City, who are 3rd on the table and play great football, barely cracked 3000 in one of their games. 

I'm not saying we should dismiss low attendance figures but times have changed for every A League club. Long gone are the good old days when MV/Sydney/WSW were pulling in 20-30k plus most weeks. AFC are riding the wave at the moment but nothing lasts forever.
12 months ago
 Just to show how attendances are, this is the median attendance for sides this season:

1. Auckland (14,243)
2. Sydney (12,194)
3. Victory (11,087)
4. Adelaide (10,722)
5. Wanderers (7,359)
6. Phoenix (7,249)
7. Mariners (6,493)
8. Perth (6,258)
9. Newcastle (6,152)
10. Brisbane (6,125)
11. City (5,018)
12. Western (3,928)
13. Macarthur (3,826) 

So in terms of the A-League, we're having pretty solid attendances, although last match was obviously poorly attended. We're one of the most variable teams
12 months ago
Auckland have been at the top of the table for practically the whole season and will win the plate easily with games  to spare. Kiwis love winners so why aren't their games selling out? 

Anyway back on topic, I don't think we are getting a new coach or saying hello to a former coach.  May as well bid adieu to our off contract players too.
12 months ago
12 months ago
Banzai!...AIEEE!!!
 That seems more accurate for Auckland. I was gonna say having 14k average after selling out multiple games and being 1st the whole year would be a disappointment.
12 months ago
wilbaker
Banzai!...AIEEE!!!
 That seems more accurate for Auckland. I was gonna say having 14k average after selling out multiple games and being 1st the whole year would be a disappointment.
mean versus median
12 months ago
Plenty of empty blue seats before kick off. Considering they could wrap up the Toilet seat pretty much today, it should be jam packed. I do laugh at Melbourn City though. We're winning everything and still get crap crowds.
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12 months ago
LG
Plenty of empty blue seats before kick off. Considering they could wrap up the Toilet seat pretty much today, it should be jam packed. I do laugh at Melbourn City though. We're winning everything and still get crap crowds.

"Nearly a sold-out stadium" - Tom Doyle.