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Private Football Academies

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
gings wrote:
james dean wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Yeah can't get NZ licence recognised in AUs or anywhere else.

UEFA, FFA > NZ
2B, you probably know more about this stuff than most - isn't it the case that if you've played at pro level you pretty much get the UEFA B licence without having to do anything?  Or you get skipped a big part of the course?


During my research on the UEFA badges it appears that having played at a satisfactory level allows you to skip certain modules, thus making it easier to get.
Yeah I'm sure that pro players can get it in about a week.
 
So don't get too excited about UEFA B


UEFA B > Daylight > NZF quallies (from a global perspective)


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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Even if that wasn't the case in content etc (I have no idea how close they are), it would certain be the perception that they are different.
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gings wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_managers_and_coaches_who_have_qualified_for_the_UEFA_Pro_Licence#Coaching_diplomas

I'm currently looking at a way to do my UEFA/american/asian coaching quals online as they seem to hold more sway both locally and overseas. the NZ quals are really only valid here...even Australia ignore them largely


The question is can you do te courses online, I had a look into this and couldn't find any online courses.

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
gings wrote:
[QUOTE=james dean][QUOTE=gings] [QUOTE=james dean][QUOTE=2ndBest]Yeah can't get NZ licence recognised in AUs or anywhere else.

UEFA, FFA > NZ


Is this due to a quality perspective, just due to them being NZ qualifications i.e no one knows about them in the big wide world  or the fact that NZ Football have not aligned them to FIFA best practice?

Are the NZ qualifications FIFA accredited ( I would assume they would have had to have been signed of at some level by FIFA)?


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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Think confederations set standards etc.

Given the practical content of higher quals, doubt any would offer online options.
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Teza wrote:
gings wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_managers_and_coaches_who_have_qualified_for_the_UEFA_Pro_Licence#Coaching_diplomas

I'm currently looking at a way to do my UEFA/american/asian coaching quals online as they seem to hold more sway both locally and overseas. the NZ quals are really only valid here...even Australia ignore them largely
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The question is can you do te courses online, I had a look into this and couldn't find any online courses.

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I've found you can do certain modules online (for example through the English FA) but going to keep on hunting. the UEFA site isnt exactly helpful.

[QUOTE=Teza] [QUOTE=gings] [QUOTE=james dean][QUOTE=gings] [QUOTE=james dean][QUOTE=2ndBest]Yeah can't get NZ licence recognised in AUs or anywhere else.

UEFA, FFA > NZ


Is this due to a quality perspective, just due to them being NZ qualifications i.e no one knows about them in the big wide world  or the fact that NZ Football have not aligned them to FIFA best practice?

Are the NZ qualifications FIFA accredited ( I would assume they would have had to have been signed of at some level by FIFA)?




I suspect its more we aren't a known quantity. The UEFA quallies are globally recognised as the best available (rightly or wrongly). The FFA pushes their own and the Asian coaching badges (fair enough) and as a result our kiwi ones arent recognised over there.


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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
gings wrote:
Teza wrote:
gings wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_managers_and_coaches_who_have_qualified_for_the_UEFA_Pro_Licence#Coaching_diplomas

I'm currently looking at a way to do my UEFA/american/asian coaching quals online as they seem to hold more sway both locally and overseas. the NZ quals are really only valid here...even Australia ignore them largely
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The question is can you do te courses online, I had a look into this and couldn't find any online courses.

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I've found you can do certain modules online (for example through the English FA) but going to keep on hunting. the UEFA site isnt exactly helpful.

[QUOTE=Teza] [QUOTE=gings] [QUOTE=james dean][QUOTE=gings] [QUOTE=james dean][QUOTE=2ndBest]Yeah can't get NZ licence recognised in AUs or anywhere else.

UEFA, FFA > NZ


Is this due to a quality perspective, just due to them being NZ qualifications i.e no one knows about them in the big wide world  or the fact that NZ Football have not aligned them to FIFA best practice?

Are the NZ qualifications FIFA accredited ( I would assume they would have had to have been signed of at some level by FIFA)?




I suspect its more we aren't a known quantity. The UEFA quallies are globally recognised as the best available (rightly or wrongly). The FFA pushes their own and the Asian coaching badges (fair enough) and as a result our kiwi ones arent recognised over there.


True although I have have been told today that out Senior level 3 qualification is recognised as equal to the Asian, OFC and UEFA B qualifications
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Teza wrote:

True although I have have been told today that out Senior level 3 qualification is recognised as equal to the Asian, OFC and UEFA B qualifications


Wheres that info coming from? - its very handy if correct


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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
gings wrote:
Teza wrote:

True although I have have been told today that out Senior level 3 qualification is recognised as equal to the Asian, OFC and UEFA B qualifications


Wheres that info coming from? - its very handy if correct


Cap Football Development (this is their understanding re it's recognition).
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane
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However if the club has a coaching position I would hope they would be professional and advertise the job. What would happen if say the likes of a Mulvey??? the GC youth guy applied? You don't know whats out there until you advertise.
 If after they have interviewed the applicants they decide that Greenie is the best then thats fine by me. Otherwise it just looks like "jobs for the boys". You really need to appoint the best if you want your organisation to progress.
  Nothing wrong with promoting within without going to the open market.
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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On the subject of private academies, there's a relatively new one established in Australia with backing from Italian clubs like AS Roma, which is a branch of Genova International School of Soccer .They've become pretty influential on the Australian scene and have even started a Victorian state league club - called funnily enough MELBOURNE PHOENIX (OI! YOU'VE STOLEN OUR NAME !!!)

 

     Melbourne Phoenix FC

 

Melbourne Phoenix FC was establsihed in 2008 as an affiliate of AS Roma Australia, and will offer football to male and female players from 10 to 26 years. Melbourne Phoenix FC was formed by the founders of Genova International School of Soccer as a direct result of player demand for professional level development. The aim is to provide a seamless training regime between the GISS academy and club competition participation. Melbourne Phoenix FC will implement a professional training program to groom players into elite players, with intentions to be a feeder club into the Australian A-league in the future. Melbourne Phoenix FC has established club offices and grounds at the Reggio Calabria Club, 476 Brunswick Rd, Parkville. Melbourne Phoenix FC will participate in the FFV competitions of 2010 at five team levels: u18, u16, u14, u13 and u11.Training sessions are held at Melbourne Phoenix FC, Reggio Calabria Club, 476 Brunswick Rd, Parkville (Melway 29,B9).

 

 

GISS Australia's aim is to train young players for pro careers in Europe and the A-League and it's already getting a few into Italian clubs. Teams from it's Aussie centre now regularly tour Italy and Europe playing matches.

 

It's another option for young kiwi players too. Former NZ u-20 international Liam Graham attended it in Australia and has now spent two seasons in Italy's top youth league playing for Vicenza against AC Milan u-20, Inter Milan, Brescia, Chievo etc.:

http://www.issgenova.com/au/index.php

 

September 15 2010: Vicenza signings « September 18 September newsletter » Three Genova International players have signed contracts with Vicenza Calcio: left, Theo Markelis (GISS Australia), coach Rino Lavezzini, Steven Domenici (GISS Australia), and right, Liam Graham (GISS New Zealand).

In an interview published in Goal Weekly, Theo Markelis discusses his move from Valencia to Vicenza.

 

About Genova International School of Soccer

The Genova International School of Soccer provides opportunities for outstanding young soccer players in Europe, North and South America, and Australia to develop a soccer career to international standard.

 

The school is based in Ovada, in Piedmonte, northern Italy, in a recently built fully equipped sports complex, and offers the right balance of an elite training regime and a healthy lifestyle. The complex includes indoor tennis courts, a basketball stadium, and a gym, and can accommodate up to 60 people at any one time. Detailed images of the centre can be viewed here.

 

GISS operates in an autonomous capacity as it is not controlled by any official organisation or governing body. GISS maintains close relationships with key clubs and personnel across Europe.

 

The Genova International Academy currently trains players five days per week in Melbourne, Australia, with the purpose of developing professional players for the European market and in future to feed into the Australian A-league. In the past eighteen months GISS has held five AS Roma clinics in Melbourne, establishing the brand in Australia and generating much publicity in Europe.

 

In 2007, Genova International director Morris Pagniello arranged for Australian players to particiapte in games against top Italian clubs and saw four teams travel to Italy to play games against seria A and B teams interested in talented young Australian players. Of these Australians, seven players have been successfully signed to professional clubs.

 

Activities for 2008 included three Australian AS Roma campuses in the early part of the year, two AS Roma campuses in Asia, three coaching courses and overseas coaching tours, and four Australian team tours. Morris is also negotiating major events in collaboration with the Italian Chamber of Commerce in Australia for Italian serie A teams to come to Australia and Asia for exhibition games against the Hyundai A-league Teams. Morris has also negotiated the exclusive distribution rights to AS Roma merchandising for Australasia.

 

As of September 2008, Morris Pagniello and the famous Gigi Maifredi - Juventus 1st team coach in the 80's and 90s' - are to jointly open a new football academy. Gigi Maifredi is one of Italy's major icons in the football world. The Maifredi family management group will also be GISS's Fifa agents for Italy. Christian Maifredi visited Australia in January, 2008 and met with Gabriela Priolo (GISS Australian Administrative Director) and Joe De Martino (Head Coach, GISS) to discuss future plans for the Australian academy.

 

An agreement has also been formalised between Morris Pagniello and AS Roma's famous 1st team player Alessandro Mancini, for Genova International School of Soccer to be represented by the Mancini family in Brazil. This will allow the exchange of players between Brazil, Italy & Australia.

 

GISS has operations in Holland, France, Switzerland, Brazil, Canada, Singapore, Mexico and Australia.

 

In order to enhance players' competitive standards, Genova International established Melbourne Phoenix FC, officially affiliated with AS Roma Calcio, to compete in the Victorian Football Federation state competition from 2008. In the 2008 competition, each Melbourne Phoenix team won its league by a convincing margin. For 2009, Melbourne Phoenix is fielding 4 junior boys teams - under 12, under 13, under 15, and under 18.

 

Genova International will also field junior teams in European and Asian competitions as Melbourne Phoenix FC.

 

Aims of GISS

  • To provide a professional approach to training
  • To provide professional standard technical knowledge
  • To raise the standards of players to compete at an elite or professional level
  • To create a bridge for Australian soccer players to access European teams
  • To place players in professional or semi-professional teams throughout Europe

GISS TV includes some video of Genova International activities, conversations with signed players, and other 

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Could Welnix sue over that? I seem to recall the Kingz had to have the 'z' on the end because there was a Kings franchise playing basketball in Oz. The Nix are now an established brand in the Australian football market after all and if this new bunch want affiliation with the A League later on then I would argue they have violated our intellectual property! They could give us first dibs on yougsters coming through for reparations though.

Of course I'm: a) amused by the thought of litigation, and b) not a lawyer, so maybe not....

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