Maybe an unpopular opinion, but TAHW is not up to it just yet. I'm seeing someone out of his depth. Even McCowatt, when he looks up to shoot (when he has the ball) he takes too long and always misses by a long way or gets blocked. Both show promise, but I'm not convinced.
R18 v Perth Glory | Fri 7th Feb | 11:45pm | SS7
Where was that desire that they showed at the end at the start of the game? Phoenix looked good but looked to be trying to slow the game down, probably to conserve energy in the humidity but showed at the end they has the energy to compete.
Should have won it. Talay has a problem that the most competitive looking phoenix team struggles to score, if only Ball could score or Hooper was fitter.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but TAHW is not up to it just yet. I'm seeing someone out of his depth. Even McCowatt, when he looks up to shoot (when he has the ball) he takes too long and always misses by a long way or gets blocked. Both show promise, but I'm not convinced.
This is his fourth professional game ever, he's used to playing on a much smaller field at Kiwitea in a different playstyle. I'd give him time
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but TAHW is not up to it just yet. I'm seeing someone out of his depth. Even McCowatt, when he looks up to shoot (when he has the ball) he takes too long and always misses by a long way or gets blocked. Both show promise, but I'm not convinced.
This is his fourth professional game ever, he's used to playing on a much smaller field at Kiwitea in a different playstyle. I'd give him time
Also Perth with 10 players. One errant cross aside thought he was okay?
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but TAHW is not up to it just yet. I'm seeing someone out of his depth. Even McCowatt, when he looks up to shoot (when he has the ball) he takes too long and always misses by a long way or gets blocked. Both show promise, but I'm not convinced.
This is his fourth professional game ever, he's used to playing on a much smaller field at Kiwitea in a different playstyle. I'd give him time
Also Perth with 10 players. One errant cross aside thought he was okay?
With Payne out I think TAHW deserves a chance at RB.
That second goal by Hopper shows what he can do if we get the ball to his feet in the penalty box. To often we have been guilty of lofting the ball to wards him, which is far more difficult for him to produce anything. We need to play the ball along the ground into his feet more often even if he has his back to goal.
Two goals against a Perth defence that was set up to block in the second half was actually pretty well done. Good on them for going all out for an equaliser, we were always going to be vulnerable at that stage with 10 men on the park.
Those 2 goals we conceded in the first half is what really cost us.
Where was that desire that they showed at the end at the start of the game? Phoenix looked good but looked to be trying to slow the game down, probably to conserve energy in the humidity but showed at the end they has the energy to compete.
Should have won it. Talay has a problem that the most competitive looking phoenix team struggles to score, if only Ball could score or Hooper was fitter.
For me, Hooper is fit enough, and is s fit as he will ever be. He can now play a full game and score goals. And Ball has already proven himself as a goalscorer. However, Perth closed us down well - that is why Poppa is (has always been) a good tactician.
We usually perform well against teams that allow us space, but we struggle when tightly marked. That is why Davila and Ball could not buy a goal for any money all night, while Perth were probably a bit lax in not marking Hooper tightly enough. What Perth has done was not very different from what Newcastle Jets did, except Perth are a better team than the Jets and successfully exploited the advantage. We scored two goals only when they've let up the pressure and the close marking, as they knew the game was in the bag.
Lets be honest, Kersey killed it for us with that red card. IT WASNT A FOUL AT ALL!!! I expected better from Marinovic with those goals. He could've easily saved 3 of those goals. But he's a strong keeper, he will step up. After their 3rd goal, it became clear that the Phoenix thought they were done for even Uffie. Hooper did a great job coming off the bench. Lifted the spirits and got us right into the game with 2 goals. I believe if Payne didnt get the red card and if Piscopo didnt leave, we would've made a comeback. Otherwise it was poor man-marking from us at the back. DeVere needs to communicate better with Cacace. There were awkward times where DeVere had to come out of position leaving a hole at the back. We need to bring our A game if we wanna win against City nxt week.
Lets be honest, Kersey killed it for us with that red card. IT WASNT A FOUL AT ALL!!! I expected better from Marinovic with those goals. He could've easily saved 3 of those goals. But he's a strong keeper, he will step up. After their 3rd goal, it became clear that the Phoenix thought they were done for even Uffie. Hooper did a great job coming off the bench. Lifted the spirits and got us right into the game with 2 goals. I believe if Payne didnt get the red card and if Piscopo didnt leave, we would've made a comeback. Otherwise it was poor man-marking from us at the back. DeVere needs to communicate better with Cacace. There were awkward times where DeVere had to come out of position leaving a hole at the back. We need to bring our A game if we wanna win against City nxt week.
Never played in goal, have you?
Lets be honest, Kersey killed it for us with that red card. IT WASNT A FOUL AT ALL!!! I expected better from Marinovic with those goals. He could've easily saved 3 of those goals. But he's a strong keeper, he will step up. After their 3rd goal, it became clear that the Phoenix thought they were done for even Uffie. Hooper did a great job coming off the bench. Lifted the spirits and got us right into the game with 2 goals. I believe if Payne didnt get the red card and if Piscopo didnt leave, we would've made a comeback. Otherwise it was poor man-marking from us at the back. DeVere needs to communicate better with Cacace. There were awkward times where DeVere had to come out of position leaving a hole at the back. We need to bring our A game if we wanna win against City nxt week.
Never played in goal, have you?
Nope
Time for my usual speech about referees:
If you are going to be piss poor, be piss poor to both teams, not one or the other. If you are going to be a good referee, be good to both teams, not one or the other. Be consistent. Either be good or be bad, but maintain consistency.
As for Kersey, I wouldn't ever let him ref a father/son game let alone anything higher than school kids. He has one consistency about him, he is always shark toward the Phoenix.
I bet the Referees Association back him to the hilt as per normal. He should not be allowed to have any involvement in and future Phoenix games. NOT even VAR. He is an embarrassment to other referees trying to do their best. He singlehandedly ruined a game I stayed up and watched. Very embarrassing but his arrogant attitude will not acknowledge he was crap or biased.
What was the final card count? 9-2 or similar??
the cards were a little inconsistent, but we got the benefit of the inconsistency at times too
To be honest I thought the first yellow was harsh too. Payne caught him with a mistimed challenge sure, but it was slightly from the side, wasn't deliberate or dangerous and the fouled player was running away from goal. I thought it was a knee-jerk reaction by a ref who was already out of touch with the flow of the game and at that point I was 80% sure we wouldn't finish with 11 men on the park.
That said I'm not going to get too het up about it. Firstly, I don't believe it effected the result at all: the two goal margin was a pretty fair reflection of Perth's dominance. Secondly, as has been pointed out most teams have had to put up with incompetent officials this season, especially with stupid interpretations of stupid rules. We've copped a few howlers but to my mind we've also been given a few dodgy late penalties that have won us games. Unfortunately last night we lost out in the continuing game of referee roulette.
It's good we made a bit of a come back and didn't get thrashed 5-0. Should ensure a decent crowd against City next week when I think we will be a lot more competitive.
To be honest I thought the first yellow was harsh too. Payne caught him with a mistimed challenge sure, but it was slightly from the side, wasn't deliberate or dangerous and the fouled player was running away from goal. I thought it was a knee-jerk reaction by a ref who was already out of touch with the flow of the game and at that point I was 80% sure we wouldn't finish with 11 men on the park.
That said I'm not going to get too het up about it. Firstly, I don't believe it effected the result at all: the two goal margin was a pretty fair reflection of Perth's dominance. Secondly, as has been pointed out most teams have had to put up with incompetent officials this season, especially with stupid interpretations of stupid rules. We've copped a few howlers but to my mind we've also been given a few dodgy late penalties that have won us games. Unfortunately last night we lost out in the continuing game of referee roulette.
It's good we made a bit of a come back and didn't get thrashed 5-0. Should ensure a decent crowd against City next week when I think we will be a lot more competitive.
It cheated the guys who'd stayed up late of a quality finish.
Davila was kept out of the game. Ball couldn't get his shooting boots on. The passes in behind ran away from Sotirio. McCowatt didn't get going and Libby couldn't find the final pass or shot. Piscopo had inconsistent moments- but Reddy is a quality keeper.
We didn't create a lot of chances so we didn't score.
They created a lot more than we did.
Hooper is quality. Nothing wrong with his speed of the turn and shot.
The main thing that annoyed me was their fouls to stop our breaks. Especially after Payne's second.
As Uffie said the standard for a yellow card was enormously inconsistent. The fair complaint was that they didn't get enough, allowing them to stifle our attack. On the flip side we did more than enough for a dismissal- Devlin and Payne beneficiaries. We were lucky not to have two off.
Time for my usual speech about referees:
If you are going to be piss poor, be piss poor to both teams, not one or the other. If you are going to be a good referee, be good to both teams, not one or the other. Be consistent. Either be good or be bad, but maintain consistency.
As for Kersey, I wouldn't ever let him ref a father/son game let alone anything higher than school kids. He has one consistency about him, he is always shark toward the Phoenix.
I bet the Referees Association back him to the hilt as per normal. He should not be allowed to have any involvement in and future Phoenix games. NOT even VAR. He is an embarrassment to other referees trying to do their best. He singlehandedly ruined a game I stayed up and watched. Very embarrassing but his arrogant attitude will not acknowledge he was crap or biased.
What was the final card count? 9-2 or similar??
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Time for my usual speech about referees:
If you are going to be piss poor, be piss poor to both teams, not one or the other. If you are going to be a good referee, be good to both teams, not one or the other. Be consistent. Either be good or be bad, but maintain consistency.
As for Kersey, I wouldn't ever let him ref a father/son game let alone anything higher than school kids. He has one consistency about him, he is always shark toward the Phoenix.
I bet the Referees Association back him to the hilt as per normal. He should not be allowed to have any involvement in and future Phoenix games. NOT even VAR. He is an embarrassment to other referees trying to do their best. He singlehandedly ruined a game I stayed up and watched. Very embarrassing but his arrogant attitude will not acknowledge he was crap or biased.
What was the final card count? 9-2 or similar??
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We conceded 3 goals away in Perth = all over rover.
Moving on to Eden Park now and can't wait. .
Time for my usual speech about referees:
If you are going to be piss poor, be piss poor to both teams, not one or the other. If you are going to be a good referee, be good to both teams, not one or the other. Be consistent. Either be good or be bad, but maintain consistency.
As for Kersey, I wouldn't ever let him ref a father/son game let alone anything higher than school kids. He has one consistency about him, he is always shark toward the Phoenix.
I bet the Referees Association back him to the hilt as per normal. He should not be allowed to have any involvement in and future Phoenix games. NOT even VAR. He is an embarrassment to other referees trying to do their best. He singlehandedly ruined a game I stayed up and watched. Very embarrassing but his arrogant attitude will not acknowledge he was crap or biased.
What was the final card count? 9-2 or similar??
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There were two yellows to the nix coaching staff or bench, 6-3
Time for my usual speech about referees:
If you are going to be piss poor, be piss poor to both teams, not one or the other. If you are going to be a good referee, be good to both teams, not one or the other. Be consistent. Either be good or be bad, but maintain consistency.
As for Kersey, I wouldn't ever let him ref a father/son game let alone anything higher than school kids. He has one consistency about him, he is always shark toward the Phoenix.
I bet the Referees Association back him to the hilt as per normal. He should not be allowed to have any involvement in and future Phoenix games. NOT even VAR. He is an embarrassment to other referees trying to do their best. He singlehandedly ruined a game I stayed up and watched. Very embarrassing but his arrogant attitude will not acknowledge he was crap or biased.
What was the final card count? 9-2 or similar??
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There were two yellows to the nix coaching staff or bench,
Time for my usual speech about referees:
If you are going to be piss poor, be piss poor to both teams, not one or the other. If you are going to be a good referee, be good to both teams, not one or the other. Be consistent. Either be good or be bad, but maintain consistency.
As for Kersey, I wouldn't ever let him ref a father/son game let alone anything higher than school kids. He has one consistency about him, he is always shark toward the Phoenix.
I bet the Referees Association back him to the hilt as per normal. He should not be allowed to have any involvement in and future Phoenix games. NOT even VAR. He is an embarrassment to other referees trying to do their best. He singlehandedly ruined a game I stayed up and watched. Very embarrassing but his arrogant attitude will not acknowledge he was crap or biased.
What was the final card count? 9-2 or similar??
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There were two yellows to the nix coaching staff or bench,
Still cards that were given out.
I got the nine number from the match commentators whom were passing comments at the time. I think they were as bewildered over some of the cards given as well as the cards that were not given - Rimmer within the 1st 10 minutes for example.
I got the nine number from the match commentators whom were passing comments at the time. I think they were as bewildered over some of the cards given as well as the cards that were not given - Rimmer within the 1st 10 minutes for example.
I got the nine number from the match commentators whom were passing comments at the time. I think they were as bewildered over some of the cards given as well as the cards that were not given - Rimmer within the 1st 10 minutes for example.
you his son mate?
Mark Rudan questions how Kersey can "sleep at night": https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...
The FFA literally has to step in and apologise after Kersey makes an atrocious call, giving out a red because Lowry slipped: https://www.espn.com/soccer/wellington-phoenix-fc/... (imagine if my boss had to apologise to the nation after a big mistake I made? don't think I'd be in a job much longer...)
Clear handball, where Kersey is in the line of sight, against Victory where VAR has to step in and correct him: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2019/11/a-league-wellington-phoenix-claim-first-point-in-melbourne-victory-draw.html
And, of course, last night's game where there's an absolute litany of abuse all over the internet regarding his performance:https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/phoenix-coach-talay-gives-refs-a-whack/ar-BBZMc2b https://twitter.com/ALeague/status/1225754879395868672
All in the last two seasons - he's only reffed 5 of our games. And this is just the stuff that's reported on - I remember the recent WSW game was very poorly officiated. It's well known by now not only how partisan Kersey can seem against the Phoenix, but how inconsistent he is every single game. How is this guy still in a job?
the reason we know his name is he has been a crap ref several times. I don't think he's biased, but inconsistent and has too much input in the game. Other better refs I can't remember their names.
But tough places to play like Perth and Adelaide influence the ref. Used to be Wellington too!
We had a chance to prove we were good enough- second choice mid, but first choice defence and attack against them without Castro.
We were a clear second best. If we had got something it would have been a smash and grab.
Good points: we always stick to our knitting and back ourselves. Bad points: no individual brilliance. (Payne, Libby and Hooper aside). Fornaroli buried the game for them on an average night for them.
We will need to step up a gear if we are the real deal. Many of our players can I reckon, and Steinman to come back.
Big question for me is Piscopo- good enough? Think this opposition was tougher than he was used to with under age group. The attack didn't quite sync- but their defence was good.
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the ref out of the equation.
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the red out of the equation.
nobody's blaming the ref for the loss, at least I hope not. We deserved to lose as Pop was great as usual but who knows what could have happened if, say, a Cap 1 ref was there instead
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the red out of the equation.
nobody's blaming the ref for the loss, at least I hope not. We deserved to lose as Pop was great as usual but who knows what could have happened if, say, a Cap 1 ref was there instead
When we lose half the people on here blame the ref.
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the red out of the equation.
nobody's blaming the ref for the loss, at least I hope not. We deserved to lose as Pop was great as usual but who knows what could have happened if, say, a Cap 1 ref was there instead
When we lose half the people on here blame the ref.
Sometimes the calls affect a generally close game. I recall Krishna getting offsided a few times incorrectly. That destroyed several great chances. This officiating made it difficult for the best side to be clear winners.
Honestly, flying out on Monday for a Friday night game is as much time as we've ever had on the ground to prepare. Sure beats getting there on Wednesday night for a Friday kick off.
Did this a lot for Ricki back in the day but it didn't help much then.... or now. :-(
100% agree just plain not good enough. At 24 it will be difficult to see where he can be a pro after this season when he gets released. TAHW was not a standout even in the national league, has good technique to pass a ball but nothing else. Cam Howieson much better footballer ( different position I know )
McCowatt has the technical ability but needs to use his body better and release the ball quicker. A-League is a physical league and at the minute he gets bullied too often. He is younger though and should get more time to develop.
100% agree just plain not good enough. At 24 it will be difficult to see where he can be a pro after this season when he gets released. TAHW was not a standout even in the national league, has good technique to pass a ball but nothing else. Cam Howieson much better footballer ( different position I know )
McCowatt has the technical ability but needs to use his body better and release the ball quicker. A-League is a physical league and at the minute he gets bullied too often. He is younger though and should get more time to develop.
Harsh.
I never watched him play national league, but he certainly seemed to have plenty of supporters on here.
Don't think he's been bad in his cameos for sure. I guess the question is if he's improving with coaching or not.
what bit was harsh?
He's been ok in his cameos but there is a reason why Talay started Wilson ahead of him after only 2 weeks at the club
what bit was harsh?
He's been ok in his cameos but there is a reason why Talay started Wilson ahead of him after only 2 weeks at the club
Yeh- Talay said he views him as a CB option, more than a mid. Now he's had a few minutes at RB. Wilson, who was adequate, is a mid and had played with Devlin before.
Do you honestly think he's light years behind these guys? We've seen him more than McGing.
Not sure what to make of your handle and post count- not seen you on here much so not really sure where you're coming from.
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the red out of the equation.
nobody's blaming the ref for the loss, at least I hope not. We deserved to lose as Pop was great as usual but who knows what could have happened if, say, a Cap 1 ref was there instead
When we lose half the people on here blame the ref.
Sometimes the calls affect a generally close game. I recall Krishna getting offsided a few times incorrectly. That destroyed several great chances. This officiating made it difficult for the best side to be clear winners.
The best side did end up clear winners, I don't think the officiating made it more difficult for them.
don't think he is light years away but at 24 has not shown that he can make the step up.. there is a reason why he only gets the spot minutes
in the national league at his old club, as a CB Berlanga and Bilen are much better and would argue that Adam Mitchell has more potential/ is a better player if you're looking for a Kiwi
McGing don't think he will get a new deal either
just giving my view!
Not sure why people want to dismiss someone because they are 24.Our history shows we have given older guys a chance at times and have been rewarded with some good players.
If it wasn't for the red card we prob could have gotten a draw.
think some are being way too hard on TAWH.
How many minutes did he have the other day?
Wasn't it also when we were down to 10 men?
Was he also not played in his supposed best position - central defence?
The bottom line is he seems to be above the young Ausi McGing in the pecking order
and appears to be the next in line behind Taylor and De Verve
Considering he is on probably not much in terms of wages, I would be comfortable him being a squad member next year
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the red out of the equation.
nobody's blaming the ref for the loss, at least I hope not. We deserved to lose as Pop was great as usual but who knows what could have happened if, say, a Cap 1 ref was there instead
Some of you seriously need to let it go it's becoming bloody boring the constant blaming the refs for what's happening. It wasn't the refs who missed those chances or conceded a couple of soft goals late in the 1st half. We have been below par for a number of games recently and blaming the refs dosnt hide that.
Yes he was poor but it's not just us getting the bad calls just seems we play the persecution card more than other teams.
We need to get back into the form we had earlier as that takes the red out of the equation.
nobody's blaming the ref for the loss, at least I hope not. We deserved to lose as Pop was great as usual but who knows what could have happened if, say, a Cap 1 ref was there instead
blaming the ref for the loss is clearly silly, he didt cost us the game but he was rubbish and clearly influenced the outcome - the red card hurt us big time - would we have won with devlin still on the park - unlikely but we could have come back for a draw. I think our usual disruptive midfield play was stifled by the refs early yellows against us, it was made worse cos Perth could be disruptive and aggressive in the tackles for longer cos they werent getting the same yellows called against them.