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R2 V Central Coast Mariners | Sat 18th Oct | 7pm | SS4

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over 11 years ago

paulm wrote:

- commentators were absolutely ridiculous. Literally the whole time until we led, they spoke of CCM's dominance. And yet it was like a flicked switch when we took the lead, all of a sudden we'd apparently been dominant the entire game, and our movement and passing was 'amazing'. It was like 1984, as if they'd gone back and erased all their previous comments from our memories, and acted like they'd been talking like that all along. 

I just wish theyd shut the hell up. The constant chatting about stats and their thoughts on tactics is annoying as hell. I really don't care. I want to know who is on the ball, and keep most of the opinion to yourself please

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

el grapadura wrote:

Also surprised there's still so much knocking of Brockie - I'm well known as a Brockie critic, but you can't fault his contribution last night: won the penalty that eventually got us back in the game, played a crucial part in the second goal, got himself into a couple of other good positions, and chased hard the whole day. That's a pretty good game in my books.

Christ, u could get me to play up front for you if that's your measure of a good performance.

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over 11 years ago

It seems like many here would get on well with those a league commentators yesterday

Healthy optimism tinged with an ounce of realism..........A League media chaps however swing with the breeze, not surprising they're paid by Foxsports! Andrew Dewhurst stand up..... 

Introducing Mr.Stevens

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

That's some good work there Fox Sports

I thought the commentators were rather harsh on the lino . That decision is absolutely marginal, even with freeze frame TV

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over 11 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

“We gifted them two goals and at this level you can’t do that,” - Phil Moss.

Particularly if you don't actually score any yourselves!

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over 11 years ago

This is how the sub bench looked 10 seconds after taking the lead. Russell looks to be breaking protocol

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

This is how the sub bench looked 10 seconds after taking the lead. Russell looks to be breaking protocol

Any word why Ernie doesn't wear a suit?

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago

He's a coach, not a manager?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 11 years ago

Think he said on the podcast that football is for working.

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

This is how the sub bench looked 10 seconds after taking the lead. Russell looks to be breaking protocol

Any word why Ernie doesn't wear a suit?

I cant think for the life of me why anyone would want to wear a suit sitting on the touchline of a football game

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over 11 years ago

Fenix wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

That's some good work there Fox Sports

I thought the commentators were rather harsh on the lino . That decision is absolutely marginal, even with freeze frame TV

I think the problem here is, the line is not even in the correct position.



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over 11 years ago

Fenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

This is how the sub bench looked 10 seconds after taking the lead. Russell looks to be breaking protocol

Any word why Ernie doesn't wear a suit?

I cant think for the life of me why anyone would want to wear a suit sitting on the touchline of a football game

Bring back Miron Bleiberg!


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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over 11 years ago

Fenix wrote:

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

This is how the sub bench looked 10 seconds after taking the lead. Russell looks to be breaking protocol

Any word why Ernie doesn't wear a suit?

I cant think for the life of me why anyone would want to wear a suit sitting on the touchline of a football game

Dress smart, work smart?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 11 years ago

Fenix wrote:

I cant think for the life of me why anyone would want to wear a suit sitting on the touchline of a football game



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over 11 years ago

Fenix wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Also surprised there's still so much knocking of Brockie - I'm well known as a Brockie critic, but you can't fault his contribution last night: won the penalty that eventually got us back in the game, played a crucial part in the second goal, got himself into a couple of other good positions, and chased hard the whole day. That's a pretty good game in my books.

Christ, u could get me to play up front for you if that's your measure of a good performance.

All right, let's see what you've got.

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over 11 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

Fenix wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

That's some good work there Fox Sports

I thought the commentators were rather harsh on the lino . That decision is absolutely marginal, even with freeze frame TV

I think the problem here is, the line is not even in the correct position.

Which was my point

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over 11 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

Fenix wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

That's some good work there Fox Sports

I thought the commentators were rather harsh on the lino . That decision is absolutely marginal, even with freeze frame TV

I think the problem here is, the line is not even in the correct position.

Thank you for that incisive observation.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

nufc_nz wrote:

Fenix wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

That's some good work there Fox Sports

I thought the commentators were rather harsh on the lino . That decision is absolutely marginal, even with freeze frame TV

I think the problem here is, the line is not even in the correct position.

Whoosh

Edit: bit slow there Turfie!

I know, I know, its serious!

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over 11 years ago

I was under the impression that Fenix did not realize. No need to rip my cock off.



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over 11 years ago

i quite like ned zelic.  but he needs to learn to speak in sentences, not paragraphs

our commentators are an embarrassment.  they have absolutely no depth of knowledge

360footballnews.com

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over 11 years ago

Suit on the sideline takes some skill to pull off.

John Aloisi wins.

(for the record, I would pull off his suit, in a heartbeat)

End of an era.  Vinnie - It's over.

If anyone cares for my inane babbling follow @iluvnix17 on the Twitter.

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over 11 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Fenix wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Also surprised there's still so much knocking of Brockie - I'm well known as a Brockie critic, but you can't fault his contribution last night: won the penalty that eventually got us back in the game, played a crucial part in the second goal, got himself into a couple of other good positions, and chased hard the whole day. That's a pretty good game in my books.

Christ, u could get me to play up front for you if that's your measure of a good performance.

All right, let's see what you've got.

beer gut but lots of heart?

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over 11 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

I was under the impression that Fenix did not realize. No need to rip my cock off.

No there isn't any need for that.

I wasn't really looking at the line as its drawn by TV folk and doesn't mean anything.

I was just trying to interpret what actually happened, and decided the decision was 'marginal'

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over 11 years ago

reg22 wrote:

i quite like ned zelic.  but he needs to learn to speak in sentences, not paragraphs

our commentators are an embarrassment.  they have absolutely no depth of knowledge

prob been mentioned  - but when the ball got smashed into the back of Brockie one of the commentators said it was a nice backheel from him

Founder

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

I'm pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek.

I find the debate over Brockie's performance almost a litmus test for one's philosophy on the role of a striker. For some of us, missing a penalty and a couple of decent chances can be forgiven through winning a penalty and putting on the assist for a goal. For others, no goal = shit performance.

I think Brockie misses too many chances in general, and I would prefer it if we had a more clinical number 9. But the only thing that kept him from being man of match in this game and having a lot of you who slag him off talk about how impressive he was was his penalty being a couple of inches too high. His finishing was poor (again), but he made a great run and shielded the ball well to win the penalty, and his headed cross was perfect. Brockie basically won us that game.

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over 11 years ago

I'm pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek.

I find the debate over Brockie's performance almost a litmus test for one's philosophy on the role of a striker. For some of us, missing a penalty and a couple of decent chances can be forgiven through winning a penalty and putting on the assist for a goal. For others, no goal = shit performance.

I think Brockie misses too many chances in general, and I would prefer it if we had a more clinical number 9. But the only thing that kept him from being man of match in this game and having a lot of you who slag him off talk about how impressive he was was his penalty being a couple of inches too high. His finishing was poor (again), but he made a great run and shielded the ball well to win the penalty, and his headed cross was perfect. Brockie basically won us that game.

But that ignores Doyle's cross, Burns' through ball, Mcglinchey's header…all equally as important. Doing his job as a striker means scoring and setting up goals, so he did his job to a degree.  But he missed a penalty which could have been hugely bad for us and he still didn't have a shot on target.  It's better he's involved in goals, but there's just more we need from him

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago

oh right we didn't pick that up.

Brockie is pretty one dimensional in that he runs off the shoulder of the last defender almost all the time and isn't great at staying onside when doing it.

Founder

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

I'm pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek.

I find the debate over Brockie's performance almost a litmus test for one's philosophy on the role of a striker. For some of us, missing a penalty and a couple of decent chances can be forgiven through winning a penalty and putting on the assist for a goal. For others, no goal = shit performance.

I think Brockie misses too many chances in general, and I would prefer it if we had a more clinical number 9. But the only thing that kept him from being man of match in this game and having a lot of you who slag him off talk about how impressive he was was his penalty being a couple of inches too high. His finishing was poor (again), but he made a great run and shielded the ball well to win the penalty, and his headed cross was perfect. Brockie basically won us that game.

Isn't there a middle ground - ie Brockie had an adequate performance, it wasn't shit but it wasn't great?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

This is how the sub bench looked 10 seconds after taking the lead. Russell looks to be breaking protocol

Any word why Ernie doesn't wear a suit?


Its an older generation thing; look at Tony Pullis and Neill Warnock.....track suit brigade!

Introducing Mr.Stevens

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over 11 years ago

At least he hasn't gone native 

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Ernie mentioned that his a track suit guy.

Suits with advertising on the collar, should be forbidden.

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over 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

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Do you feel like a numpty now, Vader?

Nope. He exaggerates the contact that is not there. He did it last week and did it early on this week.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

I'm pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek.

I find the debate over Brockie's performance almost a litmus test for one's philosophy on the role of a striker. For some of us, missing a penalty and a couple of decent chances can be forgiven through winning a penalty and putting on the assist for a goal. For others, no goal = shit performance.

I think Brockie misses too many chances in general, and I would prefer it if we had a more clinical number 9. But the only thing that kept him from being man of match in this game and having a lot of you who slag him off talk about how impressive he was was his penalty being a couple of inches too high. His finishing was poor (again), but he made a great run and shielded the ball well to win the penalty, and his headed cross was perfect. Brockie basically won us that game.

I don't think he shielded the ball to win the penalty... Other than his assist i thought he had a very poor game. His finishing is all over the place, which is sad because that is killing his confidence. He had 2 or 3 clear cut opportunities to score and didn't finish any of them.

I'm happy to give him a few more games to prove himself, but if he doesn't start scoring soon we have to swap him out. Our lack of a clinical effective striker on and off the ball will hurt us this season. Perhaps he needs to take a leaf out of Keoghs' book.  

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over 11 years ago

We won the game. I don't think we can rave about dominating them but it was there for us and we took it. Phoenix teams of the past may have only gotten the draw in some of these 'could go this way, could go that way' games so that's a nice one to see.

There is an interesting mix in the midfield and someone else mentioned it. Bonevacia was touted as a defensive minded midfielder that can play at CB yet he seems to be getting forward and helping the attack. Rodriguez was touted as a box to box guy but seems to be sitting back a bit. I don't know if this is by design but like Chopah, I watched him too and he does a lot of stuff away from the ball that is effective. He has some poor touches early on but the second half was an improvement. I see a mirror image of Tim Brown to a degree. He will be the one labelled as the invisible man but its the things he does that you don't see. Kinda like Riera. He always happens to be in the right place at the right time to intercept an attack. That's not because he is lucky, but because he reads the game well when he is off the ball. If the Phoenix need a couple of guys that graft off the ball to let the likes of Burns and McGlinchey shine, I am ok with that because at the end of the day, you need guys that wont be superstars, always on the ball, doing this and that. You need guys that get in and just work too. As mentioned by someone else, the defense did not seem as 'leaky' this week. By that, I mean 'panic, last line clearance' but that could be revisionist memory on my part.

Brockie seems to be designated scapegoat this year. I don't think he was utter shit but I also think he did a little more this week. I guess he is one of those players with some people where there is no middle ground - he'll be outhouse or penthouse. He should have nailed that penalty and thats 0-2 in the last 2 we have seen (Mexico was the other) so I think its fair to remove penalty duties from him. I agree that Brockie needs to run some better lines and living on the last shoulder of the defender and running straight lines (and thats what he does) is probably why he does not have success like others because it is very basic and not too difficult to defend. I think HAL teams have seen enough of him to figure that out as well. A bit of variation would do wonders to his game cause then people have to second guess him and thats where he can use his pace again. Kinda like a fast bowler with a slower delivery. I don't think he is a natural striker and looks like he is missing some coaching around that from perhaps when he was younger where he was faster and better than others so coaches just unleashed him. I do ask myself if the Burns-Brockie swap might be better.

One thing I would like to see and this is more of a bug bear than 'it does not work' is McGlinchey and Burns to interchange more and perhaps include Brockie in that too. McGlinchey does not have a left foot and there wont be crosses coming in from that side. He always cuts to his right. For a team that does their homework, they'll just keep forcing him left and he will become ineffective. He is a smarter player than that but I just see that as being an easy mark. Perhaps if he popped up on the right and you saw Burns central and Brockie out left, of just a little more rotation I think. It then allows all those players to use all their own strengths. I guess I kinda think of Marco when he was at the tards, whom would be on one flank and then pop up on the other and it made it hard to mark because you never knew he was going to be next. I'm not saying open licence so they get in each others way, just maybe the option to have a little more flex in it. As we saw when the goal was scored, Burns was central and Brockie was outside him. It can work. I guess thats something to work on.

I originally thought we would be 3rd when I posted 2 weeks ago. At the moment, I don't think thats quite as sure as I thought it would be but I also see a team that is getting better. There is enough there to show that we will be an ok team. Its up to them whether they go above being in midtable or below. Looking at the other sides, WSW, jam tards and Roar wont be as menacing as some people thought. I think Sydney are still pretenders. Perth have surprised as have Adelaide and last night I thought the Jets were reasonable. We might find that the easy start we thought we were getting (Perth, Jets) wont be as easy as we thought.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

Djinksta wrote:

I'm pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek.

I find the debate over Brockie's performance almost a litmus test for one's philosophy on the role of a striker. For some of us, missing a penalty and a couple of decent chances can be forgiven through winning a penalty and putting on the assist for a goal. For others, no goal = shit performance.

I think Brockie misses too many chances in general, and I would prefer it if we had a more clinical number 9. But the only thing that kept him from being man of match in this game and having a lot of you who slag him off talk about how impressive he was was his penalty being a couple of inches too high. His finishing was poor (again), but he made a great run and shielded the ball well to win the penalty, and his headed cross was perfect. Brockie basically won us that game.

I don't think he shielded the ball to win the penalty... Other than his assist i thought he had a very poor game. His finishing is all over the place, which is sad because that is killing his confidence. He had 2 or 3 clear cut opportunities to score and didn't finish any of them.

I'm happy to give him a few more games to prove himself, but if he doesn't start scoring soon we have to swap him out. Our lack of a clinical effective striker on and off the ball will hurt us this season. Perhaps he needs to take a leaf out of Keoghs' book.  

I think he made the right run to keep the ball on the outside of him and the defender. He is a right footer but kept it on his left cause he knew the defender was on his right hip and had to go across him to get it. Thats smart but also dumb defending.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Agree with most of that - especially on weeMac. In both games so far this season he has got past his marker on the left hand side and then not been confident enough to whip it in (either that, or he's under instructions not to cross - which would make sense considering we don't exactly have any great headers of the ball in there)

a.haak

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over 11 years ago

Don't get the feeling ernie is into lobbing it in the box at every opportunity a la Ricki. He is more after early low balls behind the defence not lobbed crosses to our short forwards with a set defence.


Though it does seem McGlinchey is being somewhat predictable. Usually he is able to hang on to the ball though and lay it off

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over 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

Agree with most of that - especially on weeMac. In both games so far this season he has got past his marker on the left hand side and then not been confident enough to whip it in (either that, or he's under instructions not to cross - which would make sense considering we don't exactly have any great headers of the ball in there)

Yeah that is true. Brockie is not a noted headerer of the ball in terms of scoring that I can recollect. That is kind of ironic when you think back to last year when Ernie said he wanted wing backs that get up and down. He has well and truly shelved that so I guess its fair to say that Ernie can adapt (aye Doloras?)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

Ernie has always inevitably moved to a narrow game; which I think we're seeing here too.

a.haak

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over 11 years ago

We improved but we looked terrible for the last 20 minutes, and to me the team breaking down was a sign of panic.

I hope Ernie gives them all a blocking about holding possession and moving forwards even when we have a lead. Lucky to get that win - any other day we wouldn't have.

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