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about 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

number8 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Are the same people who scream we should be shooting from all over the place and to "get the ball in the box" the same ones who would mean about our direct approach under Ricki ?

No. But after 90min the 'only shoot inside the box' approach brought us nothing, zero! There is nothing to loose to shoot from a distance. I shouted shoooot on Siggy's solo run, more as joke. You need some alternative plan if it's not working.

Did you see Doyle goal? They where ten Perth players around the box and he was the most advanced Phoenix player (remember he his a left back player), he had no other option than shooting from outside. I guess the all the rest where waiting for back pass.

thought he was in the box when he shot?

he was.  The way Doyle went yesterday it was probably meant as a cross !
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about 10 years ago

number8 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Are the same people who scream we should be shooting from all over the place and to "get the ball in the box" the same ones who would mean about our direct approach under Ricki ?

No. But after 90min the 'only shoot inside the box' approach brought us nothing, zero! There is nothing to loose to shoot from a distance. I shouted shoooot on Siggy's solo run, more as joke. You need9 some alternative plan if it's not working.

Did you see Doyle goal? They where ten Perth players around the box and he was the most advanced Phoenix player (remember he his a left back player), he had no other option than shooting from outside. I guess the all the rest where waiting for back pass.

can you point me at one time in the match when we did not take a  opportunity to shoot from anywhere you could call a genuine chance to shoot.
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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

sthn.jeff wrote:

Are the same people who scream we should be shooting from all over the place and to "get the ball in the box" the same ones who would mean about our direct approach under Ricki ?

Decent shots on goal when an opportunity presents itself is different from the 'get the ball into the box at all costs' tactics of Ricki.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

number8 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Are the same people who scream we should be shooting from all over the place and to "get the ball in the box" the same ones who would mean about our direct approach under Ricki ?

No. But after 90min the 'only shoot inside the box' approach brought us nothing, zero! There is nothing to loose to shoot from a distance. I shouted shoooot on Siggy's solo run, more as joke. You need9 some alternative plan if it's not working.

Did you see Doyle goal? They where ten Perth players around the box and he was the most advanced Phoenix player (remember he his a left back player), he had no other option than shooting from outside. I guess the all the rest where waiting for back pass.

can you point me at one time in the match when we did not take a  opportunity to shoot from anywhere you could call a genuine chance to shoot.

Yesterday maybe not so much since we were going nowhere all day, but over the season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 10 years ago

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago

Merricks comments about striker envy are harsh and off the mark I think. Id hate to be up front for the Phoenix, they aint giving the strikers a bloody chance with their slow and lateral passing. Replacing the strikers in Sundays side would make no difference at all unless you changed the way you are playing or had a young Maradona as one of them

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about 10 years ago

Doyles goal reminded me very much of one that Lochhead scored also against Perth I believe. In a 4-1 win for us?? Anorach brigade to confirm.

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.
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about 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

You are correct, it would be better to "retain position and look for another opening".

Except our guys had no real "other openings" on Sunday night, against a tight defence that was not content with just pushing our attack away, but actively pursued them and wrestled possession from them.  Some more penetration was afforded on the left wing, very little on the right wing, and zip, a big fat zero, through the middle.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

but at 2-0 down in the 80th minute, I'd rather them have a go from range than pass the ball from side to side then back to the Centre backs etc
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about 10 years ago

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

but at 2-0 down in the 80th minute, I'd rather them have a go from range than pass the ball from side to side then back to the Centre backs etc

When there are 10 opposition players behind the ball ? May as well just kick it out for a throw in.

Surely keep moving the ball until you can move the defense around and create a decent opening.

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about 10 years ago

Shooting from distance helps draw the opposition out though, at least if they are worried you could score, because they will want to shut you down. At the very least Roly should be given a license to shoot from distance as he has proven several times he can hit screamers. Even if he doesn't score it might force the keeper to parry in a dangerous position or something. Or the opposition will come out to press him 30 yards from goal which might create space for our others attackers closer to the goal.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Still, some of the advice shouted out from the zone is retarded sometimes. There was a passage of play in the first half on Sunday where we were holding our defensive shape and Perth were probing down our right side. Both A-Rod and Manny were just holding up their men, forcing them to look for a difficult pass or to try to beat them. The rest of our team were marking Perth players tightly and there were no options for the ball carrier. Yet there were some guys in the crowd shouting out "Come on, just fudgeing tackle him! Don't just stand there!" or words to that effect... it was like the advice clueless parents yell at 10 year olds. There last thing you want your defenders to do in that situation is dive in and either get beaten or concede a free-kick in a dangerous position. Holding the opposition up a and forcing them to try and make something happen is the right thing to do and is exactly what Perth were doing to us when we were camped out outside their box for ages but couldn't create a chance.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Shooting from distance helps draw the opposition out though, at least if they are worried you could score, because they will want to shut you down. At the very least Roly should be given a license to shoot from distance as he has proven several times he can hit screamers. Even if he doesn't score it might force the keeper to parry in a dangerous position or something. Or the opposition will come out to press him 30 yards from goal which might create space for our others attackers closer to the goal.

I am not saying don't shoot, just that some half decent sight of goal is not a bad start. when Roly is 30 yards out, surrounded by three defenders and people yelling SHOOOOOOOT ?
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about 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Shooting from distance helps draw the opposition out though, at least if they are worried you could score, because they will want to shut you down. At the very least Roly should be given a license to shoot from distance as he has proven several times he can hit screamers. Even if he doesn't score it might force the keeper to parry in a dangerous position or something. Or the opposition will come out to press him 30 yards from goal which might create space for our others attackers closer to the goal.

I am not saying don't shoot, just that some half decent sight of goal is not a bad start. when Roly is 30 yards out, surrounded by three defenders and people yelling SHOOOOOOOT ?

Yup, agreed. You should still only shoot when it's actually a decent option. I was more thinking of Ernie's supposed blanket ban on distance shooting. 

I also always assumed those guys yelling "SHOOOOOOOT!" every time we are within 40 yards of goal were taking the piss, but I think I might have been wrong

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Doyle should've just turned back and retained possession. Screw those goals!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Shooting from distance helps draw the opposition out though, at least if they are worried you could score, because they will want to shut you down. At the very least Roly should be given a license to shoot from distance as he has proven several times he can hit screamers. Even if he doesn't score it might force the keeper to parry in a dangerous position or something. Or the opposition will come out to press him 30 yards from goal which might create space for our others attackers closer to the goal.

I am not saying don't shoot, just that some half decent sight of goal is not a bad start. when Roly is 30 yards out, surrounded by three defenders and people yelling SHOOOOOOOT ?

Yup, agreed. You should still only shoot when it's actually a decent option. I was more thinking of Ernie's supposed blanket ban on distance shooting. 

I also always assumed those guys yelling "SHOOOOOOOT!" every time we are within 40 yards of goal were taking the piss, but I think I might have been wrong

Given how angry and the abuse they throw if a shot isnt taken i dont think its said in jest by some.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 10 years ago

All this angst....and its not even off season yet...lol

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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about 10 years ago

paullt wrote:

All this angst....and its not even off season yet...lol

Given how the season has panned out i think angst is more than appropriate. 

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 10 years ago

Still, some of the advice shouted out from this forum is retarded sometimes.

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Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

but at 2-0 down in the 80th minute, I'd rather them have a go from range than pass the ball from side to side then back to the Centre backs etc

When there are 10 opposition players behind the ball ? May as well just kick it out for a throw in.

Surely keep moving the ball until you can move the defense around and create a decent opening.

I just know that we're a better team than only managing to have 1 shot on target in a game (in the 92nd minute!!), and it's frustrating when there's a lot of passing around but not doing much with it. Look at Central Coast's equaliser vs Sydney, he took a gamble and it paid off. With the game all but lost, why not try something different, instead of continuing to do the same thing that didn't work for the previous 80mins 
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about 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Still, most of the advice shouted out from this forum is retarded sometimes.

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GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 10 years ago

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

but at 2-0 down in the 80th minute, I'd rather them have a go from range than pass the ball from side to side then back to the Centre backs etc

When there are 10 opposition players behind the ball ? May as well just kick it out for a throw in.

Surely keep moving the ball until you can move the defense around and create a decent opening.

I just know that we're a better team than only managing to have 1 shot on target in a game (in the 92nd minute!!), and it's frustrating when there's a lot of passing around but not doing much with it. Look at Central Coast's equaliser vs Sydney, he took a gamble and it paid off. With the game all but lost, why not try something different, instead of continuing to do the same thing that didn't work for the previous 80mins 

We did try something different. Doyle took a shot. That was different.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 10 years ago

I think part of the problem is trying to play Roly as the attacking mid. He's a great player with the ball at his feet, but he is terrible playing at AM where he is supposed to be the pivot point for transitions from attack into defense. His instinct is to try and turn his man, which is great when he pulls it off but in doing so closes down the entire field (including our two other midfielders) who are all now behind him, so he lacks options. If he can't turn he'll try to run laterally and all that does is compress space over one side of the pitch (and he's facing away from the other two midfielders again) where the ball is inevitably lost. Though this worked against Sydney who didn't close down the wide positions, Perth nullified the Nix out wide effectively - this is where almost all our recent goals had come from - and we had nothing.

Solution? Small tactical change, swap Roly and Arod. Arod was picking up the ball with miles of space in the midfield in front of him against Perth and was moving it on effectively, he looked good and it was bizarre to see him subbed. Despite looking good, I can imagine Roly picking up the ball deep, facing the way he wants to run and having acres of space to run into and do some magic. Riera would have to concentrate to cover Roly when he's making the runs, but he's a good enough player to do this. Arod would then be the pivot at the top of the midfield, he'd be receiving the ball with his back to goal, but I believe his instinct is to pass it on immediately, bringing the rest of the team into the game rather than turning and shutting them out.

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about 10 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

but at 2-0 down in the 80th minute, I'd rather them have a go from range than pass the ball from side to side then back to the Centre backs etc

When there are 10 opposition players behind the ball ? May as well just kick it out for a throw in.

Surely keep moving the ball until you can move the defense around and create a decent opening.

I just know that we're a better team than only managing to have 1 shot on target in a game (in the 92nd minute!!), and it's frustrating when there's a lot of passing around but not doing much with it. Look at Central Coast's equaliser vs Sydney, he took a gamble and it paid off. With the game all but lost, why not try something different, instead of continuing to do the same thing that didn't work for the previous 80mins 

We did try something different. Doyle took a shot. That was different.

And we got a Goal !!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago

I agree, though there's a risk of losing the ball from having a shot in a crowded penalty area, (or just outside.) There's also a chance of over-playing it and losing the ball due to a sloppy pass. 


It's easier to start a counter-attack from an intercepted square pass than it is from a shot in my opinion. 

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Kyle1502 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

When our attack got to the 18 yard line and Perth stuck 7 players into the goal, our guys passed backwards. The player receiving should have taken a long range shot and Watson and Powell could have folled through for any rebounds. This position happened about 6 times yesterday and in the end, we gave the ball away insipidly and lost the advantage.

and all you do when you shoot in that situation is give the ball away. Is it not better to retain possession and look for another opening. Yes our execution of that let's us down often through a lack of patience on our part.

but at 2-0 down in the 80th minute, I'd rather them have a go from range than pass the ball from side to side then back to the Centre backs etc

When there are 10 opposition players behind the ball ? May as well just kick it out for a throw in.

Surely keep moving the ball until you can move the defense around and create a decent opening.

I just know that we're a better team than only managing to have 1 shot on target in a game (in the 92nd minute!!), and it's frustrating when there's a lot of passing around but not doing much with it. Look at Central Coast's equaliser vs Sydney, he took a gamble and it paid off. With the game all but lost, why not try something different, instead of continuing to do the same thing that didn't work for the previous 80mins 

We did try something different. Doyle took a shot. That was different.

And we got a Goal !!

He was also moving forarwd at pace and only had one Perth defender near him
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about 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Still, some of the advice shouted out from this forum is retarded sometimes.

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So?

For whatever reason none of us are A-league coaches.

If we had some golden game plan maybe we would be.

Could you learn the art of coaching by reading the day-to-day interactions between members on this forum? Doubtful.

Anywho, retarded is just a label and you can't ever fully discount that there is some wisdom in the utterances we witness on here.

A fan is a fan.

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about 10 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Still, some of the advice shouted out from this forum is retarded sometimes.

Fixed

So?

Could you learn the art of coaching by reading the day-to-day interactions between members on this forum?

If you don't know the answer to these questions by now, you never will. 


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about 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

yellowsite wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Still, some of the advice shouted out from this forum is retarded sometimes.

Fixed

So?

Could you learn the art of coaching by reading the day-to-day interactions between members on this forum?

If you don't know the answer to these questions by now, you never will. 

Whoa, you mean you can't learn coaching just by observing Kevin Muscat at sideline?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

No. you'll learn a few new swear words though. 


Allegedly

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about 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

No. you'll learn a few new swear words though. 

Like fudge and cod and shark

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about 10 years ago
Game needed more appiah.
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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about 10 years ago

What was up with that Perth NobEnd kicking the ball at our players after the referee blew for a foul on the other side of the field in the first half. Amazingly the linesmen neither saw it.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

What was up with that Perth NobEnd kicking the ball at our players after the referee blew for a foul on the other side of the field in the first half. Amazingly the linesmen neither saw it.

This was right behind the referee's back.   I was also surprised this was missed by linesmen.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

wrong thread :/ how did that happen


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