How is it that people can still find angst after that? I gave up being angry about our predicament in Newcastle. For me we were gone after the pumping that Heart gave us, subsequent bummings have just been expected.
If anything, this season has highlighted our need for a reserve/youth team who are playing regular competitive football and if getting bummed a few times is what it takes for that to actually happen then the bumming was worth it!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
Did we get 1 stage further 2 years ago? I stand corrected. Still, is it right we haven't finished higher than 6th since 2010?
A fan is a fan.
Jesus we have made Frank Farina look like a rock star.
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
Fuck this stupid game
Once again it was the senior guys who did not perform....its no point blaming the kids. This side had a core of experianced players and they failed to deliver once again.
. Ernie mate....Stein and Brockie together does not work.....and even if you try it 20 times it still will not work. As soon as I saw the conditions and that Ernie selected Stein and Brockie I knew we were not going to trouble their keeper. Brockie just does not make runs. We needed to stretch their defence....get their big defenders pulled wide or turn them around in the wet. We played niave wet weather football. At least Boyd and Krishna could have given us some width and pace out wide and Watson could have been handy up front.
In last two seasons we must have conceded close to 80 goals.....and we have fielded senior defenders like Dura, Siggy, Muscat and Lia for most of these games....so WTF is going wrong. Leaking goals like we have been doing is just totally inexcusible....especially with so many senior defenders. We will always be at the arse end of the comp unless we can fix it.
I have never been in the Del Piero is a twat camp. i thought it was great having such a legend playing in the A-League. But I have changed my mind. He is a cynical diving cunt....he is a cheat of the worst kind....he is a disgrace to football and the sooner he gets his saggy old arse off the football pitch the better. The FFA will be happy....it looks like they will get their poster boy marquee into the playoffs
Am I right in thinking we only have one or two more years on the license? Gonna have to stop getting regularly pounded (regardless of the reasons/excuses) or the club might be gone. Not trying to be doom and gloomy but realistically the better we perform the stronger our case for staying in the competition. And vice versa
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Fuck this stupid game
Once again it was the senior guys who did not perform....its no point blaming the kids. This side had a core of experianced players and they failed to deliver once again.
. Ernie mate....Stein and Brockie together does not work.....and even if you try it 20 times it still will not work. As soon as I saw the conditions and that Ernie selected Stein and Brockie I knew we were not going to trouble their keeper. Brockie just does not make runs. We needed to stretch their defence....get their big defenders pulled wide or turn them around in the wet. We played niave wet weather football. At least Boyd and Krishna could have given us some width and pace out wide and Watson could have been handy up front.
In last two seasons we must have conceded close to 80 goals.....and we have fielded senior defenders like Dura, Siggy, Muscat and Lia for most of these games....so WTF is going wrong. Leaking goals like we have been doing is just totally inexcusible....especially with so many senior defenders. We will always be at the arse end of the comp unless we can fix it.
I have never been in the Del Piero is a twat camp. i thought it was great having such a legend playing in the A-League. But I have changed my mind. He is a cynical diving cunt....he is a cheat of the worst kind....he is a disgrace to football and the sooner he gets his saggy old arse off the football pitch the better. The FFA will be happy....it looks like they will get their poster boy marquee into the playoffs
And ridenton was the only young guy to start , so blame away on the kids
Jeez my memory must be failing. Surprised we finished 4th in 2012! Almost completely forgot that Sydney 3-2 game in the finals. In fairness, I was drunk.
Well, despite my ramblings, we've had quite a fall from grace since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
.In last two seasons we must have conceded close to 80 goals.....and we have fielded senior defenders like Dura, Siggy, Muscat and Lia for most of these games....so WTF is going wrong. Leaking goals like we have been doing is just totally inexcusible....especially with so many senior defenders. We will always be at the arse end of the comp unless we can fix it.
96 actually - 49 last year, 47 this year with one more game to go. Can we break the 100? Will be riveting watching on Saturday.
But seriously, we've had the worst defence in the league for 2 years now. Last season as Ricki was about to leave I was saying that we needed to start revamping the backline and get a decent centre-back last off-season. We didn't, and of course it looks extremely unlikely we'll do it this offseason.
Ye gods - with each passing week I dread the next season even more.
I think we need to really talk about the defence. Is Sigmund and Durante really a good enough centre back pairing? They look good but the amount of goals we concede speaks for itself.
We should be thinking about replacing Durante, Sigmund, Muscat, Lia, Brockie, Stein.
I think that particular core of players have run their course now.
I think we need to really talk about the defence. Is Sigmund and Durante really a good enough centre back pairing? They look good but the amount of goals we concede speaks for itself.
Check link about Baseball and how umpires favor players with a higher status.
Baseball insiders have long suspected what our research confirms: that umpires tend to make errors in ways that favor players who have established themselves at the top of the game’s status hierarchy. But our findings are also suggestive of the way that people in any sort of evaluative role — not just umpires — are unconsciously biased by simple “status characteristics.
It's pretty easy for Del Piero, he has a little charming chat with the ref before the game, looking like a nice guy and then on the field he falls very quick to trick the referee.
And, the commentators, there are just total ADP fanboys, it is so obvious, every little flick is pure genius to them.
whats on tv 1 ?
A documentary on bandwagoning.
I think you'd like it.
COYN
I think we need to really talk about the defence. Is Sigmund and Durante really a good enough centre back pairing? They look good but the amount of goals we concede speaks for itself.
Thought we already knew Siggy is a hack with a big heart and a hot head and Dura best years are well past.
Also don't rate Dura as much of a leader. We fall apart too often.
The goals conceded relate to the whole team but these two don't make it any easier
Check link about Baseball and how umpires favor players with a higher status.
Baseball insiders have long suspected what our research confirms: that umpires tend to make errors in ways that favor players who have established themselves at the top of the game’s status hierarchy. But our findings are also suggestive of the way that people in any sort of evaluative role — not just umpires — are unconsciously biased by simple “status characteristics.
It's pretty easy for Del Piero, he has a little charming chat with the ref before the game, looking like a nice guy and then on the field he falls very quick to trick the referee.
And, the commentators, there are just total ADP fanboys, it is so obvious, every little flick is pure genius to them.
If ADP played for us most would cover him in cream
.In last two seasons we must have conceded close to 80 goals.....and we have fielded senior defenders like Dura, Siggy, Muscat and Lia for most of these games....so WTF is going wrong. Leaking goals like we have been doing is just totally inexcusible....especially with so many senior defenders. We will always be at the arse end of the comp unless we can fix it.
96 actually - 49 last year, 47 this year with one more game to go. Can we break the 100? Will be riveting watching on Saturday.
But seriously, we've had the worst defence in the league for 2 years now. Last season as Ricki was about to leave I was saying that we needed to start revamping the backline and get a decent centre-back last off-season. We didn't, and of course it looks extremely unlikely we'll do it this offseason.
Ye gods - with each passing week I dread the next season even more.
Yeah if we don't revamp our backline for next season ( and a decent controlling midfielder) maybe a punt on last might be the best bet.
Seems to me that while happy to have a team, it's done half arsed, then cry about the crowds and take more home games away.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Even the away/home crowds won't put up with half arsed forever.
Next year most teams will be better...
Think we are trying to keep the spoon!
Embrace the Spoon
Just got home- missed the game, and from some of the comments I am glad I did.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
Check link about Baseball and how umpires favor players with a higher status.
Baseball insiders have long suspected what our research confirms: that umpires tend to make errors in ways that favor players who have established themselves at the top of the game’s status hierarchy. But our findings are also suggestive of the way that people in any sort of evaluative role — not just umpires — are unconsciously biased by simple “status characteristics.
It's pretty easy for Del Piero, he has a little charming chat with the ref before the game, looking like a nice guy and then on the field he falls very quick to trick the referee.
And, the commentators, there are just total ADP fanboys, it is so obvious, every little flick is pure genius to them.
If ADP played for us most would cover him in cream
Am I right in thinking we only have one or two more years on the license? Gonna have to stop getting regularly pounded (regardless of the reasons/excuses) or the club might be gone. Not trying to be doom and gloomy but realistically the better we perform the stronger our case for staying in the competition. And vice versa
I do not agree (well, I agree we should be winning the league every season.... but someone always gets pounded in any given season).
According to your logic Perth should be really shitting themselves. What have they done for the league anyway (note: sarcasm). They are likely to come last or second last behind us this year. It takes longer to fly from Sydney to Perth, than it is from Sydney to Wellington. Perth have not won the league either (not since the halcyon days of Berndt Stange in the old NSL anyway).... etc etc.
Until there is a whole pile of well-run, financially viable clubs ready to enter the comp, I think we're OK for as long as WelNix are happy to be on board. Even with one of two more we're fine.
FFA does not care if we win or lose, as long as we put bums on seats. If we play well, we achieve that objective even if we lose.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Check link about Baseball and how umpires favor players with a higher status.
Baseball insiders have long suspected what our research confirms: that umpires tend to make errors in ways that favor players who have established themselves at the top of the game’s status hierarchy. But our findings are also suggestive of the way that people in any sort of evaluative role — not just umpires — are unconsciously biased by simple “status characteristics.
It's pretty easy for Del Piero, he has a little charming chat with the ref before the game, looking like a nice guy and then on the field he falls very quick to trick the referee.
And, the commentators, there are just total ADP fanboys, it is so obvious, every little flick is pure genius to them.
Watching the game on the big telly at the Spectators' Bar with my fellow ChCh YF Masochists' Club, we were pleasantly surprised by Mark Bosnich calling the penalty for SFC a joke. And Bozza is not a natural WPX fan. He said the ref got it wrong because otherwise he'd have to book ADP for diving (which he did in the second half).
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Think we are trying to keep the spoon!
We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix
And this is our Home
Am I right in thinking we only have one or two more years on the license? Gonna have to stop getting regularly pounded (regardless of the reasons/excuses) or the club might be gone. Not trying to be doom and gloomy but realistically the better we perform the stronger our case for staying in the competition. And vice versa
I do not agree (well, I agree we should be winning the league every season.... but someone always gets pounded in any given season).
According to your logic Perth should be really shitting themselves. What have they done for the league anyway (note: sarcasm). They are likely to come last or second last behind us this year. It takes longer to fly from Sydney to Perth, than it is from Sydney to Wellington. Perth have not won the league either (not since the halcyon days of Berndt Stange in the old NSL anyway).... etc etc.
Until there is a whole pile of well-run, financially viable clubs ready to enter the comp, I think we're OK for as long as WelNix are happy to be on board. Even with one of two more we're fine.
FFA does not care if we win or lose, as long as we put bums on seats. If we play well, we achieve that objective even if we lose.
Am I right in thinking we only have one or two more years on the license? Gonna have to stop getting regularly pounded (regardless of the reasons/excuses) or the club might be gone. Not trying to be doom and gloomy but realistically the better we perform the stronger our case for staying in the competition. And vice versa
I do not agree (well, I agree we should be winning the league every season.... but someone always gets pounded in any given season).
According to your logic Perth should be really shitting themselves. What have they done for the league anyway (note: sarcasm). They are likely to come last or second last behind us this year. It takes longer to fly from Sydney to Perth, than it is from Sydney to Wellington. Perth have not won the league either (not since the halcyon days of Berndt Stange in the old NSL anyway).... etc etc.
Until there is a whole pile of well-run, financially viable clubs ready to enter the comp, I think we're OK for as long as WelNix are happy to be on board. Even with one of two more we're fine.
FFA does not care if we win or lose, as long as we put bums on seats. If we play well, we achieve that objective even if we lose.
Heres mud in ya eye Sydney...
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
Am I right in thinking we only have one or two more years on the license? Gonna have to stop getting regularly pounded (regardless of the reasons/excuses) or the club might be gone. Not trying to be doom and gloomy but realistically the better we perform the stronger our case for staying in the competition. And vice versa
I do not agree (well, I agree we should be winning the league every season.... but someone always gets pounded in any given season).
According to your logic Perth should be really shitting themselves. What have they done for the league anyway (note: sarcasm). They are likely to come last or second last behind us this year. It takes longer to fly from Sydney to Perth, than it is from Sydney to Wellington. Perth have not won the league either (not since the halcyon days of Berndt Stange in the old NSL anyway).... etc etc.
Until there is a whole pile of well-run, financially viable clubs ready to enter the comp, I think we're OK for as long as WelNix are happy to be on board. Even with one of two more we're fine.
FFA does not care if we win or lose, as long as we put bums on seats. If we play well, we achieve that objective even if we lose.
The FFA will not drop our licence. It's all to do with the TV rights. By having a NZ team in the league, their TV rights revenue rises dramatically. The other thing? Our club is in good financial health. Morgan might be a stingy owner who really doesn't want to spend money, but he HAS money. That's what The FFA care about. Morgan should realise that a club coming last anywhere in the world can't turn a profit. A team winning trophies however...
That Gary Phillips guy is making Dewhurst seem like a great commentator.
Ok, fair call. I was just in the immediate post-match angst phase when I wrote that post about the license.
However, I still think that the longterm future of the club is concerning. There doesn't seem to be any plan in place beyond "develop kiwi youth" which itself isn't exactly easy when we don't have a youth/reserve team. At this rate Welnix may as well save themselves some cash and build a 7000 seat stadium because we aren't going to be getting anywhere near 12,000 if we keep serving up performances like that.
We did play well midseason, but I think some of our older players are declining worryingly fast. And we're talking about extending more of their contracts. And it would be naive to think that other teams in the league won't continue to improve.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Siggy has got to go... he just doesn't have the brain to play at the higher level.
Thus why Emblem started Boxall at CB ahead of him.
Would like to see Boxall drop back into the middle next year. His strength and speed is needed, plus he's much better on the ball.
Our defence has been shit... but how many goals did we conceed when we had Riera playing?
What a difference one player can make. This is why Ernies for signings are going to be crucial, crucial for the team and whether he has a job at the end of next year.
And finally, if we get two EPL teams here next season for friendlies they better not fuck up the momentum that this will generate and use it to build numbers and support.
Offer half price tickets with every season pass brought or something.
So much angst... my students are going to have a great day!!
That Gary Phillips guy is making Dewhurst seem like a great commentator.
Gary Phillips is probably the only one who is worse.
With all the drawing of fouls Hernandez gets away with, I cannot understand why he didn't go down from that 'rugby tackle' challenge (as Simon Hill put it) in first half injury time. Carlos was away and Ryall was already on a yellow, so would've been sent off.
Siggy has got to go... he just doesn't have the brain to play at the higher level.
Thus why Emblem started Boxall at CB ahead of him.
Would like to see Boxall drop back into the middle next year. His strength and speed is needed, plus he's much better on the ball.
I think there is a lot of emotional angsting after this loss which is really knee jerk.
Our defence was not an issue until we got tonked by the Heart. We bounced back and did CCM but then got the same from Adelaide. We had kept it very tight at the back and that was in part because the guys in front of them did their job and stopped play getting there. It is obvious that Lia is not a DM stop gap which is not his fault - he is just not that type of player.
Sigmund and Durante are aging and are not the quickest but if they had the midfield in front of them that did their job, then all of those things are a lot less of an issue because they get protection from guys who are doing their job. At the moment, opposition stare solely at our CBs because that's what they can see. There is no defensive line between them and the CBs. Break that line with some slick inter play (or allow players to hit shots in from outside the box) then yeah, Sigmund and Durante are going to look past it.
I'm not a Sigmund fan but I don't think its fair to go 'well you are past it' when the help he is meant to be getting from the guys in the DM position in front of him, he is not getting. Its effectively a black hole position for us on the field cause the guy that is in there, is not his natural game and I think it is a little unfair to smash Lia for that when its not his game. He has been asked to play there and he has gone 'ok boss'. If Leo was asked to play there, he would go 'ok boss'. Both would be effective as each other in that role.
This points back to recruitment. As JD reminded me, we lucked into Riera and prior to that, we were content with Manny and Lia. Ernie needs a DM recruit this winter pure and simple and these defensive woes go away.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I think there is a lot of emotional angsting after this loss which is really knee jerk.
Our defence was not an issue until we got tonked by the Heart. We bounced back and did CCM but then got the same from Adelaide. We had kept it very tight at the back and that was in part because the guys in front of them did their job and stopped play getting there. It is obvious that Lia is not a DM stop gap which is not his fault - he is just not that type of player.
Sigmund and Durante are aging and are not the quickest but if they had the midfield in front of them that did their job, then all of those things are a lot less of an issue because they get protection from guys who are doing their job. At the moment, opposition stare solely at our CBs because that's what they can see. There is no defensive line between them and the CBs. Break that line with some slick inter play (or allow players to hit shots in from outside the box) then yeah, Sigmund and Durante are going to look past it.
I'm not a Sigmund fan but I don't think its fair to go 'well you are past it' when the help he is meant to be getting from the guys in the DM position in front of him, he is not getting. Its effectively a black hole position for us on the field cause the guy that is in there, is not his natural game and I think it is a little unfair to smash Lia for that when its not his game. He has been asked to play there and he has gone 'ok boss'. If Leo was asked to play there, he would go 'ok boss'. Both would be effective as each other in that role.
This points back to recruitment. As JD reminded me, we lucked into Riera and prior to that, we were content with Manny and Lia. Ernie needs a DM recruit this winter pure and simple and these defensive woes go away.
The FFA will not drop our licence. It's all to do with the TV rights. By having a NZ team in the league, their TV rights revenue rises dramatically. The other thing? Our club is in good financial health. Morgan might be a stingy owner who really doesn't want to spend money, but he HAS money. That's what The FFA care about. Morgan should realise that a club coming last anywhere in the world can't turn a profit. A team winning trophies however...
The FFA will not drop our licence. It's all to do with the TV rights. By having a NZ team in the league, their TV rights revenue rises dramatically. The other thing? Our club is in good financial health. Morgan might be a stingy owner who really doesn't want to spend money, but he HAS money. That's what The FFA care about. Morgan should realise that a club coming last anywhere in the world can't turn a profit. A team winning trophies however...
Gareth Morgan isn't our owner, he is one of a group of 8 or 7 or whatever. I've never heard anyone rant and rave about Rob Morrison not spending any money, or Henry Tait. Why is he all of a sudden becoming the biggest scapegoat since Tim Brown? Because of the cat thing? Or the stupid comments he made about total football over a year ago?
I think there is a lot of emotional angsting after this loss which is really knee jerk.
Our defence was not an issue until we got tonked by the Heart. We bounced back and did CCM but then got the same from Adelaide. We had kept it very tight at the back and that was in part because the guys in front of them did their job and stopped play getting there. It is obvious that Lia is not a DM stop gap which is not his fault - he is just not that type of player.
Sigmund and Durante are aging and are not the quickest but if they had the midfield in front of them that did their job, then all of those things are a lot less of an issue because they get protection from guys who are doing their job. At the moment, opposition stare solely at our CBs because that's what they can see. There is no defensive line between them and the CBs. Break that line with some slick inter play (or allow players to hit shots in from outside the box) then yeah, Sigmund and Durante are going to look past it.
I'm not a Sigmund fan but I don't think its fair to go 'well you are past it' when the help he is meant to be getting from the guys in the DM position in front of him, he is not getting. Its effectively a black hole position for us on the field cause the guy that is in there, is not his natural game and I think it is a little unfair to smash Lia for that when its not his game. He has been asked to play there and he has gone 'ok boss'. If Leo was asked to play there, he would go 'ok boss'. Both would be effective as each other in that role.
This points back to recruitment. As JD reminded me, we lucked into Riera and prior to that, we were content with Manny and Lia. Ernie needs a DM recruit this winter pure and simple and these defensive woes go away.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.