Wellington Phoenix Men

Richard Johnson- 6 months in jail

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ballane wrote:
Im guessing the way some of you have posted you are all angels and have never made a mistake in your life. Given there is no excuse for what he did, its a shame some of you just dont ease up.Some of the shyte more high profile players get away with yet you ridicule this crap.


Of course everyone makes mistakes but not only did he break the law, he could have killed someone and he deserves to be punished.
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im suprised it got media coverage in NZ seeing as he plays a sport where the ball wasnt oval/being bowled/put through a hoop


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It got media coverage because its bad news. Bad news for football always gets covered. Its the conspiracy.
Richard Johnson was bloody awesome for the Knights last season. When he and Salley were in thr midfield, we played. A great loss if we can't have him.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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It will bet a dam shame that we could lose him , one of the stand out players last year , I hope that his lawyer can find someway he could keep him out of jail

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well, look on the bright side. We have another spot open...yay!
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None of you lot seem to be seeing the big picture here.

The Phoenix are a start-up club and this is a one-off opportunity to send a signal about the type of club it is going to be and the standards that will be expected of the players.

The opinions of the those who are already football fans and are already taking an interest in the Phoenix don't really matter. It's the opinions of those mums and dads who don't know much about football but are maybe picking up that something interesting is going on that really count. The massive fringe element who the Phoenix should be hoping to convert a modest precentage of into full-time football fans.

This is a great opportunity for the Phoenix (and football) to differentiate themselves from the macho rugby culture that is prepared to tolerate behaviour such as drink-driving and wife-beating from it's players.

Johnson should already be gone. As much as a marketing exercise as anything else. He is simply not good enough or going to be around long enough to justify the negative publicity and some good publicity could be generated by exiting him swiftly.

The fact that opinion on this forum is already pretty evenly split proves the point. Who needs a player when even some of your hardcore fans already consider him a liability and an embarassment?



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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
For me, Brown can do Johnson's job, which gives Christie more game time off the bench.  Nothing negative, And, a version 1 Newcastle reject & a version 2 wooden spoon stand-out does NOT mean he will be EXCELLENT for version 3 of the A-league.  Maybe there is chance for Webster or someone else.  From the image of the club prospective he has to be punished and released! Safire2007-05-26 13:21:11
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why are we going on about a player who is past his best. we need youth and talent, not druken old men.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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It's not a big conspiricy against football - if this happened in rugby it would be on the news straight away.


valeo2007-05-26 16:46:06

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo nice to see you edited the last part of your post, would have fired a few people up
 
i agree that if something like that happened with rugby it would be on the news too.
but you have to admit that there has been minimal mention of Wellington Phoenix on the news and it seems a little unfair that the first news story in a while is Richard Johnson's criminal conviction.
 
i think it'll be a different story when the season starts. wait till Phoenix starts tallying up the wins
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CelticFC wrote:
why are we going on about a player who is past his best. we need youth and talent, not druken old men.


We need youth, but we also need experience from sober veterans.
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Guys you have no idea about the personal issues Johnno is going thru that made him make a bad decision under the influence.
 
I hope non of you go thru what he has been thru in the past 6 months.
 
Browny is quality but he needs Johnno's experience.
 
Hopefully his appeal is successful and Jhnno gets a second chance
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lunatic wrote:
Guys you have no idea about the personal issues Johnno is going thru that made him make a bad decision under the influence.
 
I hope non of you go thru what he has been thru in the past 6 months.
 
Browny is quality but he needs Johnno's experience.
 
Hopefully his appeal is successful and Jhnno gets a second chance
 
 
explain please.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What has he been going through?
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He'll have been going through the same kinds of problems that many others go through - life is sometimes very hard.  In his case, he's unfortunate that he's in the public eye due to this rediculous notion that somehow sportsmen should be able to cope with the pressures of life better than 'regular' people.
 
If I were to go on a bender and lead the police on a wild-goose-chase, no one would know about it and I'd most likely keep my job...  If a pro-footballer does it, he's suddenly public enemy no. 1.
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I heard his mother was ill?
No excuses for drunk driving. Still hope he makes it over there though

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Benjamin wrote:
He'll have been going through the same kinds of problems that many others go through - life is sometimes very hard.  In his case, he's unfortunate that he's in the public eye due to this rediculous notion that somehow sportsmen should be able to cope with the pressures of life better than 'regular' people.
 
If I were to go on a bender and lead the police on a wild-goose-chase, no one would know about it and I'd most likely keep my job...  If a pro-footballer does it, he's suddenly public enemy no. 1.


What a load of crap.

Drink drivers kill people. They ruin other people's lives. And they ALL have great excuses.

I have sympathy for Richard Johnson if he has personal issues but drink driving is not the way to deal with it. Nor is taking a high public profile job like being a professional footballer. Especially when your employer not only relies on your footballing ability but your image as a professional.

Professional sportsmen (and women) ARE expected to cope with the pressures of life better than "regular" people because that's exactly what having a job in the public eye is about. And there are plenty of "regular" jobs for those who prefer to conduct their affairs more privately.

As this weekend's blitz on the roads has shown drink driving is still a major problem in this country and some of the moronic comments posted in this thread show just how far away we are from solving it.




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Sizzla, that is an opinion I wholeheartedly agree with - well written and the are NO excuses for drunk driving. 
 
Cut it out of our society and for it to be seen as "supportable or acceptable" in any professional sporting environment in any code is unacceptable and sending the wrong message.  I hope if he gets convicted then we cut him loose from his contract. 
 
Surely there are better players who value their position as a role model and a well paid sportsperson who can fill the spots left by those that don't...... 
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Two words....
 
 
Tony Adams.
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Two Words...

Arsenal Legend.
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One word George Best.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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One word George Best.
 
This is one educated man right here...
 
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sizzla wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
He'll have been going through the same kinds of problems that many others go through - life is sometimes very hard.  In his case, he's unfortunate that he's in the public eye due to this rediculous notion that somehow sportsmen should be able to cope with the pressures of life better than 'regular' people.
 
If I were to go on a bender and lead the police on a wild-goose-chase, no one would know about it and I'd most likely keep my job...  If a pro-footballer does it, he's suddenly public enemy no. 1.


What a load of crap.

Drink drivers kill people. They ruin other people's lives. And they ALL have great excuses.

I have sympathy for Richard Johnson if he has personal issues but drink driving is not the way to deal with it. Nor is taking a high public profile job like being a professional footballer. Especially when your employer not only relies on your footballing ability but your image as a professional.

Professional sportsmen (and women) ARE expected to cope with the pressures of life better than "regular" people because that's exactly what having a job in the public eye is about. And there are plenty of "regular" jobs for those who prefer to conduct their affairs more privately.

As this weekend's blitz on the roads has shown drink driving is still a major problem in this country and some of the moronic comments posted in this thread show just how far away we are from solving it.
 
Don't get me wrong - he should (and will) be punished as is appropriate according to the law of the land.  I'm not excusing what he's done, I'm simply saying that people get into mental strife all the time, and stressed people do stupid things (sometimes).  My point about his position is that his offense gets publisized and people start suggesting that he should lose his job, etc., whilst if any  of the club's supporters wouldn't rate a mention in the newspaper, and as a result wouldn't risk losing there jobs before the matter has even gone to court (which is what some are suggesting here).
 
"Professional sportsmen (and women) ARE expected to cope with the pressures of life better than "regular" people because that's exactly what having a job in the public eye is about. And there are plenty of "regular" jobs for those who prefer to conduct their affairs more privately."
 
Disagree entirely.  Everyone has the same responsibility to obay the law.  Doesn't matter if you're a plumber or a footballer.
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Benjamin wrote:
Disagree entirely.  Everyone has the same responsibility to obay the law.  Doesn't matter if you're a plumber or a footballer.

Are you drunk? If that's what you think then you agree with me!

Where we disagree is that you think it's unfair that he is subject to the publicity about it whereas I think that being in the public eye is part of what a pro-footballer is paid to do and as such he deserves whatever treatment he gets.
 
The Phoenix aren't just paying their players to play - they are also contractually expected to do a certain amount of publicity and marketing work and that's why their image is important. How can the Phoenix send Johnson along to do some promo at a school or a hospital if he's a convicted drunk driver?
 
Anyone who can't accept the additional responsibility that comes with being in the public eye doesn't have to do it. There are plenty of other good jobs around.
 
By the way, all drink driving convictions in New Zealand are published in the paper and people often lose their jobs because of it. Can't say fairer than that.
 
 
 
 
 
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One word: Dont drop the soap
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sizzla wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
Disagree entirely.  Everyone has the same responsibility to obay the law.  Doesn't matter if you're a plumber or a footballer.

Are you drunk? If that's what you think then you agree with me!

Where we disagree is that you think it's unfair that he is subject to the publicity about it whereas I think that being in the public eye is part of what a pro-footballer is paid to do and as such he deserves whatever treatment he gets.
 
The Phoenix aren't just paying their players to play - they are also contractually expected to do a certain amount of publicity and marketing work and that's why their image is important. How can the Phoenix send Johnson along to do some promo at a school or a hospital if he's a convicted drunk driver?
 
Anyone who can't accept the additional responsibility that comes with being in the public eye doesn't have to do it. There are plenty of other good jobs around.
 
By the way, all drink driving convictions in New Zealand are published in the paper and people often lose their jobs because of it. Can't say fairer than that.
 
There is no better job in the world than playing football.
 
As for the rest, I just feel that it's unrealistic to expect a bloke to cope better with the stresses of life than anyone else just because he happens to be a decent footballer.  It's like saying that a doctor shouldn't be allowed to practise medicine if he gets caught drink driving (and many have without losing their jobs).
 
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Benjamin - for your own safety I think you better stop there. Your argument is so confused that according to Darwin's theory of natural selection if anybody's going to get to run down by a drunk driver it'll be you.
 
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heggarty wrote:
One word: Dont drop the soap


.....aah, isn't that more than one???? .... or have I missed something here?

What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well said.
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heggarty wrote:
One word: Dont drop the soap


.....aah, isn't that more than one???? .... or have I missed something here?
 
Yeah you missed the boat.
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sack him!
 
and sign brockie, he looks much more like an ex-con...
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sizzla wrote:
Benjamin - for your own safety I think you better stop there. Your argument is so confused that according to Darwin's theory of natural selection if anybody's going to get to run down by a drunk driver it'll be you.
 
 
Point out a single contradiction in my argument.  It's not confused, it's straight forward.  Footballers are human, and as such are prone to making the same errors as anyone else.  He's done something wrong, he'll be punished appropriately.  I don't see why he should be sacked/released from his contract so long as he is available to do the job he's been contracted to do (play football)...  If he goes to jail, then obviously, he gets sacked/released.  Fair enough. 
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Logical solution: let's have out how games in jail! How about (cell) block 5? (See what I did there?)
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
no
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roonaldo wrote:
Logical solution: let's have out how games in jail! How about (cell) block 5? (See what I did there?)
 
In English please.
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's in the clear.......suspended sentence......
 
Johnson will be able to join the Nix for the season.
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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Where did you hear that?
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In Invercargill the Borstall (youth prison) used to have a team entered in the local division. Up they'd roll in their prison van, pile out with their PO supervising, and come and play (obviously the boys who'd been behaving themselves inside). A few rugged games from what I remember, but nothing too bad. Imagine a Richard Johnson turning up!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i see he got off lets hope he plays decent football now
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