Wellington Phoenix Men

Ricky Herbert

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I normally buy the Sunday Star Times to catch up on football news.  However, as is the case for this papers to do at times, it had no football articles published, including from Billy Harris.  Yesterday's non-reporting was pretty pathetic in my view given the Phoenix had just played an important match against Melbourne, and it was the last game of the season and an opportune time for a bit of analysis and wrap up.  I suppose it's a reflection of the lack of respect for football in this country by this major newspaper.
 
Anyway, in desperation, I purchased a copy of the Sunday News, which was fortunate as there was a two page spread on the Phoenix (pages 42 and 43).  One was an article by John Matheson, which basically was his review of and take on the Phoenix's season and what needs to happen in 2009/10.  The other was an assessment by Danny Hay of the performances of each of the players at the club.
 
Both are worth a read if you get a chance (is it possible to put these on the YF news site?).  I thought Matheson's assessment was blunt and hardhitting, but honest and, generally, right.  He pretty much covers all the angles, including (for your benefit Scousekiwi!) the merits of Brian Turner as an assistant / advisor to Herbert.
 
 
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Those articles don't seem to be on stuff yet (if at all). Sunday News seems rather skimpy with putting them up.
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axmfc wrote:
I normally buy the Sunday Star Times to catch up on football news.  However, as is the case for this papers to do at times, it had no football articles published, including from Billy Harris.  Yesterday's non-reporting was pretty pathetic in my view given the Phoenix had just played an important match against Melbourne, and it was the last game of the season and an opportune time for a bit of analysis and wrap up.  I suppose it's a reflection of the lack of respect for football in this country by this major newspaper.
 
Anyway, in desperation, I purchased a copy of the Sunday News, which was fortunate as there was a two page spread on the Phoenix (pages 42 and 43).  One was an article by John Matheson, which basically was his review of and take on the Phoenix's season and what needs to happen in 2009/10.  The other was an assessment by Danny Hay of the performances of each of the players at the club.
 
Both are worth a read if you get a chance (is it possible to put these on the YF news site?).  I thought Matheson's assessment was blunt and hardhitting, but honest and, generally, right.  He pretty much covers all the angles, including (for your benefit Scousekiwi!) the merits of Brian Turner as an assistant / advisor to Herbert.
 
 
 
that Matthson article was pure Akld based rubbish. So much so I felt compelled to text in. It has inaccuracies are wreaks of Akld bias. Hay gave good reviews for his boys Cov and Plodder.
These things are hardly ever on their crappy website

Founder

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I see some people on here are condemning 6th place, and I agree to a point. We were all hopefull for 4th place, when suddenly we lost against melbourne, and lost 5th place on GD. However, 6th-almost- 5th-almost 4th is a hell of a lot better than our dismal 8th last season. 6th is a stepping stone that we can use to make the top 4 our benchmark. Again, disappointed with 6th,  but sometimes you have to remember that that season was not the last HAL season for the nix, and that at the end of next season, we will not be judged on this dissappointment, but our (hopefully) successful season next time around. 
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Most successful season in A League ever.  Nothing to be ashamed about.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I played against Brian Turner and I thought he was a pratt (although a very good player). Has anyone here had experience of him as a coach/manager? if so, what was/is he like in that capacity?
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Napier Phoenix wrote:
I played against Brian Turner and I thought he was a pratt (although a very good player). Has anyone here had experience of him as a coach/manager? if so, what was/is he like in that capacity?
 
Were you on Ready Steady Cook? Whats Ainsley Harriott like?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Napier Phoenix wrote:
I played against Brian Turner and I thought he was a pratt (although a very good player). Has anyone here had experience of him as a coach/manager? if so, what was/is he like in that capacity?

I've played dozens of really really good players and all of them were pratts. Only ones that weren't were the ones that weren't as good as me
Royal2009-01-26 20:53:06
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Royal wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
I played against Brian Turner and I thought he was a pratt (although a very good player). Has anyone here had experience of him as a coach/manager? if so, what was/is he like in that capacity?

I've played dozens of really really good players and all of them were pratts. Only ones that weren't were the ones that weren't as good as me


Seems to be the way, doesnt it?
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It's easier to like people who are worse than you. :p

a.haak

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valeo wrote:
It's easier to like people who are worse than you. :p
 
tell me about it,,,its the story of my life
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MESSIAH wrote:
mikecj wrote:
So we didn't make the finals. Woopee.
 
 
sorry to state the obvious but finals football is what it is all about :)


uh huh.




However if you want to bring that up, I would say that finals football isn't what it is all about. It is very nice to be apart of, but so are a lot of other things about this game.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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mikecj wrote:
MESSIAH wrote:
mikecj wrote:
So we didn't make the finals. Woopee.
 
 
sorry to state the obvious but finals football is what it is all about :)


uh huh.




However if you want to bring that up, I would say that finals football isn't what it is all about. It is very nice to be apart of, but so are a lot of other things about this game.
 
What like fair play and participation?
 
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
mikecj wrote:
MESSIAH wrote:
mikecj wrote:
So we didn't make the finals. Woopee.
 
 
sorry to state the obvious but finals football is what it is all about :)


uh huh.




However if you want to bring that up, I would say that finals football isn't what it is all about. It is very nice to be apart of, but so are a lot of other things about this game.


 
What like fair play and participation?
 
 


 At the end of the day - sport is the true winner playwithFire2009-01-27 13:17:34


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C-Diddy wrote:
mikecj wrote:
MESSIAH wrote:
mikecj wrote:
So we didn't make the finals. Woopee.
 
 
sorry to state the obvious but finals football is what it is all about :)


uh huh.




However if you want to bring that up, I would say that finals football isn't what it is all about. It is very nice to be apart of, but so are a lot of other things about this game.
 
What like fair play and participation?
 
that should have stopped after you turned 12
 
 
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It's always the taking apart that counts
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If you had asked me this question at the start of the season i would of defenatly said sack him.
 
But the way he handled the team, behind the scenes and on the pitch (apart from his stupid subs and therefore lack of) and the teams performance as a whole, i think hes capable of staying.
 
ANd if he doesnt take us to at least fourth spot next year, then cya snitch.
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uncle steve wrote:
If you had asked me this question at the start of the season i would of defenatly said sack him.
 
But the way he handled the team, behind the scenes and on the pitch (apart from his stupid subs and therefore lack of) and the teams performance as a whole, i think hes capable of staying.
 
ANd if he doesnt take us to at least fourth spot next year, then cya snitch.
 
Apart from as you mentioned, stupid subs, you forgot clueless tactics or total lack of , lack of ability to  motovate and the inability to get the best out of his players skill wise , the aparant lack of an on field plan and  lack of leadership. Yeah hes been great.
 
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Do you actually know anything about football?
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el grapadura wrote:
Do you actually know anything about football?
 
No, not like that. What you say is: "You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football".
 
This is the more traditonal YF response to something you don't agree with.
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auskiwi wrote:
uncle steve wrote:
If you had asked me this question at the start of the season i would of defenatly said sack him.
 
But the way he handled the team, behind the scenes and on the pitch (apart from his stupid subs and therefore lack of) and the teams performance as a whole, i think hes capable of staying.
 
ANd if he doesnt take us to at least fourth spot next year, then cya snitch.
 
Apart from as you mentioned, stupid subs, you forgot clueless tactics or total lack of , lack of ability to  motovate and the inability to get the best out of his players skill wise , the aparant lack of an on field plan and  lack of leadership. Yeah hes been great.
 

So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
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el grapadura wrote:
Do you actually know anything about football?
 
Yes, what can I help you with?
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StopOut wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Do you actually know anything about football?
 
No, not like that. What you say is: "You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football".
 
This is the more traditonal YF response to something you don't agree with.
 
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Agent 47 wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
uncle steve wrote:
If you had asked me this question at the start of the season i would of defenatly said sack him.
 
But the way he handled the team, behind the scenes and on the pitch (apart from his stupid subs and therefore lack of) and the teams performance as a whole, i think hes capable of staying.
 
ANd if he doesnt take us to at least fourth spot next year, then cya snitch.
 
Apart from as you mentioned, stupid subs, you forgot clueless tactics or total lack of , lack of ability to  motovate and the inability to get the best out of his players skill wise , the aparant lack of an on field plan and  lack of leadership. Yeah hes been great.
 

So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
 
Most of those boys did ok, as individuals.
If Stopout said that regarding me, he is a clown.
Do you want to be a sheep and join his circus?
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auskiwi wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
uncle steve wrote:
If you had asked me this question at the start of the season i would of defenatly said sack him.
 
But the way he handled the team, behind the scenes and on the pitch (apart from his stupid subs and therefore lack of) and the teams performance as a whole, i think hes capable of staying.
 
ANd if he doesnt take us to at least fourth spot next year, then cya snitch.
 
Apart from as you mentioned, stupid subs, you forgot clueless tactics or total lack of , lack of ability to  motovate and the inability to get the best out of his players skill wise , the aparant lack of an on field plan and  lack of leadership. Yeah hes been great.
 

So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
 
Most of those boys did ok, as individuals.
If Stopout said that regarding me, he is a clown.
Do you want to be a sheep and join his circus?
 
 
Wow! A Clown Sheep!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
uncle steve wrote:
If you had asked me this question at the start of the season i would of defenatly said sack him.
 
But the way he handled the team, behind the scenes and on the pitch (apart from his stupid subs and therefore lack of) and the teams performance as a whole, i think hes capable of staying.
 
ANd if he doesnt take us to at least fourth spot next year, then cya snitch.
 
Apart from as you mentioned, stupid subs, you forgot clueless tactics or total lack of , lack of ability to  motovate and the inability to get the best out of his players skill wise , the aparant lack of an on field plan and  lack of leadership. Yeah hes been great.
 

So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
 
Most of those boys did ok, as individuals.
If Stopout said that regarding me, he is a clown.
Do you want to be a sheep and join his circus?
 
 
Wow! A Clown Sheep!!!
 
, i was talking about two separate individuals.
But anythings possible
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auskiwi wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
 
Most of those boys did ok, as individuals.
If Stopout said that regarding me, he is a clown.
Do you want to be a sheep and join his circus?
 
You just can't seem to see what the majority can.
I'm not above name calling nor taking the bait. You are a clueless c**t, a trolling twat and are just showing you have not the slightest clue about football.
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Agent 47 wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
 
Most of those boys did ok, as individuals.
If Stopout said that regarding me, he is a clown.
Do you want to be a sheep and join his circus?
 
You just can't seem to see what the majority can.
I'm not above name calling nor taking the bait. You are a clueless c**t, a trolling twat and are just showing you have not the slightest clue about football.
 
, YOU INSOLENT PUP. Trolling? . Thanks for the laugh.
The majority can be, and quite often are wrong.
Because someone have a different opinion they are a troll?
And as you so childishly put it a " clueless c**t " .
Grow up, or say it to my face and you will grow up quick
My guess is  I know more about football and much more about life than you will ever know in ten of your insular lifetimes
Mate, I have two eyes, thats what makes me diiferent to the majority on here.
I'm a mad nix fan but don't do it blindly.
Unlike most Kiwi's, I don't accept half arsed or average for my team. 
 
 
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auskiwi wrote:
My guess is  I know more about football and much more about life than you will ever know in ten of your insular lifetimes


Every time I read someone make that sort of claim, I just cringe.  You have no idea who you are talking to so how can you claim that ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
My guess is  I know more about football and much more about life than you will ever know in ten of your insular lifetimes


Every time I read someone make that sort of claim, I just cringe.  You have no idea who you are talking to so how can you claim that ?
 
Based on his asumptions.
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Ah, so because he has a different view to yours he can't know as much about football as you ?

Must be a tough life to be unable to learn any more about the sport.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Ah, so because he has a different view to yours he can't know as much about football as you ?

Must be a tough life to be unable to learn any more about the sport.
 
llol, Im basing my coments on his name calling and one eyedness in relation to the team.
Christ man , I more as much as anyone want the Nix to do well.
You take a giant leap in you last line. Who said that? Always things to learn, that is life

Edit - HN - Fixed quote tags (there you've learnt something).
Hard News2009-01-30 14:45:44
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People only attack other on here when they have nothing better to say or they have had their point proven wrong.
I am guilty of having done that too.
What was this thread about?
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Agent 47 wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
So how did Sigmund, Muscat, Hearfield, McKain, Smeltz, Moss and Costa go?

Yeah I'm cherry picking but I doubt anyone expected them to perform to the level they did (I have to admit Costa acquitted himself well in 2 games)

As Stopout said, 'You're talking sh*t and you know f**k all about football'
 
Most of those boys did ok, as individuals.
If Stopout said that regarding me, he is a clown.
Do you want to be a sheep and join his circus?
 
You just can't seem to see what the majority can.
I'm not above name calling nor taking the bait. You are a clueless c**t, a trolling twat and are just showing you have not the slightest clue about football.


Im not saying im any better. But you have proven yourself to be a c**t too. and are considered by many as a joke and a prat.
Dont have a go at other people when you yourself have many many problems.
Keep this forum clean from attacks.
And back on topic.
 
To quote Feverish: "This has gone to sh*t"
Stefan2009-01-30 15:13:08
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Crap... I've given you too much permission.  You are not meant to be able to edit on here.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I cant edit on here. Only off topic.
There is alot of editing needed to be done on here anyway.
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Good.

Now we have hi-jacked it.

Auskiwi, calm it down.  Agent47... behave.

Any more off topic and I'll just pull it.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Good.

Now we have hi-jacked it.

Auskiwi, calm it down.  Agent47... behave.

Any more off topic and I'll just pull it.
I'm calm as.
Just don't like being insulted for having an opinion.
On topic, Ricki, no thanks, but he will have to do till someone better is found or he gets an assistant for  tactics, subs, skills, vision and player motovation.
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auskiwi wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Good.

Now we have hi-jacked it.

Auskiwi, calm it down.  Agent47... behave.

Any more off topic and I'll just pull it.
I'm calm as.
Just don't like being insulted for having an opinion.
On topic, Ricki, no thanks, but he will have to do till someone better is found or he gets an assistant for  tactics, subs, skills, vision and player motovation.
Ricki's alright he needs time to develop, as does the team
They certainly didn't disgrace themselves,i mean it's not like they play football week in week out for 10 plus months of the year giving them time devlop those skills on the park.
So I'm actually look forward to Ricki being the manager of the Wellington Phoenix for several more seasons to come.
We're trying to build a history here.
giddyup2009-01-30 18:03:10
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I'm a Ricki supporter and much like others don't like it, I like the fact that he is in control of his emotions. Granted there are times he should let loose, but by and large, he has one emotion and thats mild.

I honestly don't think there is a better coach with in NZ. While I respect that we are an Australian club in an Australian competion, I myself believe that the coach should be a Kiwi where possible. The only others I could think of would be Tua'a (Samoa) Jacobs (The best of friends with the Phoenix??) and Milicich. While some people might chuck J Gould and his dad into that, they are a bit of a side show unto themselves..

Even if you went for an Australian, how many A League ready/quality coaches are just sitting there waiting, and even then, would they be better than Ricki? Possibly, but RH has his 2 and a bit years experience in his pocket with the players and the league. You'd need to go outside AU and that would costa packetta. And the Aussies that are A League ready, are possibly looking overseas save for the Sydney role.

What, we want John Kosmina??? Get the f**k out.....
Agent 472009-01-31 19:03:22
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