Just a quick post on the poll about taking Nix games around the country been largely viewed negatively.
I don't quite understand why, if it is due to the lack of games in the season then i hope this current view will be changed for the following years of competition.
It seems a little short sighted, the nix are a Wellington admittedly, but they are marketed largely as New Zealand's team. If they are to be a good aid in developing the games profile throughout the country then surely they need to be avaliable to football fans throughout the country.
I don't mind supporting from afar and watching the games on t.v. but I DO MIND THE BELIEF OF VIEWPOINT THAT NON WELLINGTONIAN FANS DONT DESERVE TO SEE A GAME IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD and they the nix should only play in one city.
Surely on the bigger scale of things large areas like Auckland, Christchurch and Hamilton deserve a chance.
Hell, i'd settle for a friendly.
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No we are marketed as a Wellington franchise. The franchise marketed as NZ failed. You can have a friendly or better still try 'Air NZ grab a seat' and come to our home stadium to watch.
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I have nothing against the Nix playing inconsequential games around NZ but all League games need to be at home for a few reasons including the fact that atmosphere does have an effect and Wellington will provide by far the best support in the country.
I would like to point out, do we see the Aussie teams playing all around their home states?
I would like to point out, do we see the Aussie teams playing all around their home states?
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They are a Wellington team, competition games should only be played in Wellington. You dont see Chelsea playing "home" games outside of london do you
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It is the Wellington Phoenix.
The Phoenix are about winning the A-league.
The job of developing soccer in NZ lies with the NZFA.
Don't get them confused.
To win the A-league we need the home game environment to be as motivational as possible for the Nix and as intimidating as possible for visitors - fortress RoF.
I personally don't want any Wellington Phoenix home league games played away from the RoF -a friendly or two no problem.
Save up, come down - you'll love it.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Just a quick post on the poll about taking Nix games around the country been largely viewed negatively.
I don't quite understand why, if it is due to the lack of games in the season then i hope this current view will be changed for the following years of competition.
It seems a little short sighted, the nix are a Wellington admittedly, but they are marketed largely as New Zealand's team. If they are to be a good aid in developing the games profile throughout the country then surely they need to be avaliable to football fans throughout the country.
I don't mind supporting from afar and watching the games on t.v. but I DO MIND THE BELIEF OF VIEWPOINT THAT NON WELLINGTONIAN FANS DONT DESERVE TO SEE A GAME IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD and they the nix should only play in one city.
Surely on the bigger scale of things large areas like Auckland, Christchurch and Hamilton deserve a chance.
Hell, i'd settle for a friendly.
Aucklanders had a professional team for years and didn't want it.
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It is the Wellington Phoenix.
The Phoenix are about winning the A-league.
The job of developing soccer in NZ lies with the NZFA.
Don't get them confused.
To win the A-league we need the home game environment to be as motivational as possible for the Nix and as intimidating as possible for visitors - fortress RoF.
I personally don't want any Wellington Phoenix home league games played away from the RoF -a friendly or two no problem.
Save up, come down - you'll love it.
brilliant response! (except for the "two" bit, one's enough)
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It annoys me enormously when Australian radio commentators sometimes wrongly call us New Zealand.
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We (auckland) f**ked up our chance. Twice.
Why should Wellington have games up here? I'm not giving up that extra atmosphere and enjoyment of the game for 7 hours of travelling. I'd much rather travel and I will.
We'll be going down to (hopefully) all home games, depending on funds. Definetly be down to the first one so if ya after a lift, we might have a spare seat.
Wolfben2008-03-21 21:15:06
Why should Wellington have games up here? I'm not giving up that extra atmosphere and enjoyment of the game for 7 hours of travelling. I'd much rather travel and I will.
We'll be going down to (hopefully) all home games, depending on funds. Definetly be down to the first one so if ya after a lift, we might have a spare seat.
Wolfben2008-03-21 21:15:06
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It annoys me enormously when Australian radio commentators sometimes wrongly call us New Zealand.
Thats changing I have spoken to the Fox Commentators especially Slater and they agreed that we are Wellington not NZ. Was better towards the last half of the season.
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Thats the spirit Wolfben. Part of the problem with the NZ football public is the mentality of sitting there waiting for all good things football to come to their door. Good to see some outside of Wellington with the passion that don't mind travelling, given that their own city/town doesn't have a professional side.
Have to agree with the sentiments above, namely that it's a Wellington team and they play in Wellington. That's life folks. And if anyone in or near Auckland takes issue with that, remember that your chance(s) came and went. At least you even got a second chance up there.
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I must be one of the "selfless" few in this debate then 
Im realistic enough to see there's no further merit in trying to reason with a rabid, blind, parochial mob ringled by such nutters and lunatics as Tigers.
Actually, Im pleasantly surprised we "few" muster as many as 40% (at least based on the home page poll). Definitely sufficient support for a strong and visionary leader such as Mr Pignata to bravely take our great franchise to another level.
YF on tour at home!
Marius Lacatus2008-03-21 21:16:00
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YF on tour at home!
We're not the soccer version of the Harlem Globetrotters.
We are the Wellington Phoenix who play their home games in Wellington. 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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as an aucklander i don't think i would want a phoenix league game up here, and thats not detracting from how much of a fan i am, i love the phoenix
but to be honest, i would be embarrassed by the likely small crowd turn up, lack of RoF type atmosphere.
we've had 2 opportunities and we right royally screwd them up, go wellington
but to be honest, i would be embarrassed by the likely small crowd turn up, lack of RoF type atmosphere.
we've had 2 opportunities and we right royally screwd them up, go wellington
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The Phoenix must play all there home league games in Wellington , there still in the process of building support in their home city and can't take it for granted after only one season. Once they builld a successful team maybe look at playing one-off games for financial reasons in other cities, but at the moment the Wellington supporters need to be rewarded for their efforts in the first season. Auckland had their chance but didn't get behind it for one reason or another, all poor excuses in my book, but maybe in the future they will get another chance.The Phoenix are a Wellington club 1st and as the only NZ team in the A-league by default represent the country, this would change if Auckland were granted a franchise. I remember the Bulldogs in the NRL playing the home game against the Warriors at the stadium instead of Sydney, and it seemed to work as they got crowds of nearly 30,000, not sure why they stopped but think it was to do with the stadium being too pricey. I wouldn't be against pre-season games outside Wellington but this coming season all home games must be at home so we can continue to build the club
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I must be one of the "selfless" few in this debate then
Im realistic enough to see there's no further merit in trying to reason with a rabid, blind, parochial mob ringled by such nutters and lunatics as Tigers.
Actually, Im pleasantly surprised we "few" muster as many as 40% (at least based on the home page poll). Definitely sufficient support for a strong and visionary leader such as Mr Pignata to bravely take our great franchise to another level.
YF on tour at home!
this is another re-run
Yeh Selfish Wellington for being parochial and committed, and for having a fantastic venue for football!
a home game should be played at home...
I've no objection to the club organising a tour for supporters to come to Wellington, or a discount for a group coming from out of town...
it should be pilgrims making the trip to the ring of fire...heck i'm ready to fork out the cash to go to China for the weekend to see them- its gotta be much cheaper to do a road trip with a few buddies or to grab a rail/ plane ticket ahead of time to go see them at the magnificent ROF...
There isn't the extra game now. home games are a precious comodity. Wellingtonians deserve them, and others who join them as well...not the other way round.
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NO WE DON'T SEE aUSSIE TEAMS PLAYING OUTSIDE THEIR STATES, BUT THEN AGAIN OTHER STATES HAVE FRANCHISES.
You do see other clubs tour to promote themselves, like Manu U and Chelsea, can't the nix do the same within their own country?
Yes they are the wellington phoenix, but to say they are not a New Zealand team is alittle off, afterall its the team we are trying to get all whites to, the new zealand manager coaches them. The Wellington team is very much in many respect a new zealand team.
Also everyone assumes i mean Auckland, i don't specifically, look at christchurch or even Otago, they have done alot of work for the young footballers of New Zealand, why nuot take a game there?
I'm glad my topic has caused some discussion, i will support the nix where ever they play, i just feel they could increase their following and media coverage if they branched outside of the area. Wellington holds 350,000 people, theres alot more to reach around the rest of the country.
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I must be one of the "selfless" few in this debate then
Im realistic enough to see there's no further merit in trying to reason with a rabid, blind, parochial mob ringled by such nutters and lunatics as Tigers.
Actually, Im pleasantly surprised we "few" muster as many as 40% (at least based on the home page poll). Definitely sufficient support for a strong and visionary leader such as Mr Pignata to bravely take our great franchise to another level.
YF on tour at home!
leading a blind rabid pack is no easy task ML, they keep bumping into me and covering me with slobber 
but if it is my fate to protect YF from 'anti-democratic poll swindlers' such as your good self then so be it 
but if it is my fate to protect YF from 'anti-democratic poll swindlers' such as your good self then so be it
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NO WE DON'T SEE aUSSIE TEAMS PLAYING OUTSIDE THEIR STATES, BUT THEN AGAIN OTHER STATES HAVE FRANCHISES.
You do see other clubs tour to promote themselves, like Manu U and Chelsea, can't the nix do the same within their own country?
Yes they are the wellington phoenix, but to say they are not a New Zealand team is alittle off, afterall its the team we are trying to get all whites to, the new zealand manager coaches them. The Wellington team is very much in many respect a new zealand team.
Also everyone assumes i mean Auckland, i don't specifically, look at christchurch or even Otago, they have done alot of work for the young footballers of New Zealand, why nuot take a game there?
I'm glad my topic has caused some discussion, i will support the nix where ever they play, i just feel they could increase their following and media coverage if they branched outside of the area. Wellington holds 350,000 people, theres alot more to reach around the rest of the country.
would you say that Man U and Chelsea have established themselves as clubs and have a secure home base? or do you think they are trying to get a city to support them, when their sport has traditionally been a minority one in their country?
also do they do that for EPL home games? No one is arguing about pre season friendlies..
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NO WE DON'T SEE aUSSIE TEAMS PLAYING OUTSIDE THEIR STATES, BUT THEN AGAIN OTHER STATES HAVE FRANCHISES.
If you read closer you'll find I was talking about teams playing whithin their OWN states.
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NO WE DON'T SEE aUSSIE TEAMS PLAYING OUTSIDE THEIR STATES, BUT THEN AGAIN OTHER STATES HAVE FRANCHISES.
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You do see other clubs tour to promote themselves, like Manu U and Chelsea, can't the nix do the same within their own country?
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Yes they are the wellington phoenix, but to say they are not a New Zealand team is alittle off, afterall its the team we are trying to get all whites to, the new zealand manager coaches them. The Wellington team is very much in many respect a new zealand team.
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Also everyone assumes i mean Auckland, i don't specifically, look at christchurch or even Otago, they have done alot of work for the young footballers of New Zealand, why nuot take a game there?
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I'm glad my topic has caused some discussion, i will support the nix where ever they play, i just feel they could increase their following and media coverage if they branched outside of the area. Wellington holds 350,000 people, theres alot more to reach around the rest of the country.
It's all in the title The Wellington Phoenix. This means they represent Wellington and play home games in Wellington. It's not like Cardiff City play games around Wales to gather up support. The Phoenix have less reason too aswell because they're still gathering home city support and establishing themselves on the Wellington sports scene where as Cardiff would have a more stable support base from years of being a club.
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guys they're called the New Zealand Phoenix so they should play in other cities like Putaruru
I like tautologies because I like them.
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As CL says, teams in Aussie don't play in other cities other than pre-season (eg: Victory played in Geelong last pre-season)... why should the Phoenix be any different? Is anyone calling out QLD (not Brisbane!) Roar for never leaving Brisbane during their season?
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This is going to sound a bit cheeky, but maybe the rest of NZ is jealous cos we've made a success of the Nix in a way that Auckland or Christchurch couldn't have.
Now that they've seen how exciting the Nix are, they want some for themselves.
Understandable, but the only way to really experience a regular league home game is to come here.
Especially you Aucklanders who never travel outside your own city!
I'm looking forward to going to Christchurch for a pre-season game though ...
Now that they've seen how exciting the Nix are, they want some for themselves.
Understandable, but the only way to really experience a regular league home game is to come here.
Especially you Aucklanders who never travel outside your own city!
I'm looking forward to going to Christchurch for a pre-season game though ...
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guys they're called the New Zealand Phoenix so they should play in other cities like Putaruru
[Sarcasm:] Oh, right you are Cosimo, yOu win the debate.
LOOK AT THE PHOENIX LOGO TOP RIGHT OF THIS PAGE OR THE YELLOW FEVER ONE TOP LEFT!
Wellington for life. We earned it, you want it. Come down for the experiance or get yu wn team together.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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I'd be interested to know, was this a problem with the NEW ZEALAND Knights?
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wellington phoenix pre season tour around nz would be good,but i have to agree all home games for the season should be in wellington,we travel to all home games from wanganui and would not miss them for anything the atmospher is great and hopefully better in the new season.i feel it would be hard to recreate the atmosphere at any other stadium around the country that there is at the rof.
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guys they're called the New Zealand Phoenix so they should play in other cities like Putaruru
"Oh New Zealand, is wonderful, New Zealand is wonderful, we've got Auckland, Wellington and Putaruru, Oh New Zealand is wonderful..."
Have to agree though, for the many reasons mentioned above, home matches should all be played in the RoF. Although a succesful Nix side is an integral part of developing NZ football, it is not their purpose for existing- that would be to win the A-League. Playing home games away would not help this cause.
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Surely they should take some games around the Wellington region first. Porirua Park, Newtown Park, Crawford Green.
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guys they're called the New Zealand Phoenix so they should play in other cities like Putaruru
[Sarcasm:] Oh, right you are Cosimo, yOu win the debate.
LOOK AT THE PHOENIX LOGO TOP RIGHT OF THIS PAGE OR THE YELLOW FEVER ONE TOP LEFT!
Wellington for life. We earned it, you want it. Come down for the experiance or get yu wn team together.
Thanks! but i wasn't actually debating, i'm kinda on the fence on this one, though being in Wellington I'd prefer all the games were here
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Surely they should take some games around the Wellington region first. Porirua Park, Newtown Park, Crawford Green.
And Happy Valley.
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When the new franchise idea was being thrown around I did think that maybe the traveling sideshow thing would be a way to make it work, but after experiencing first hand Wellington's love and passion for the Nix I totally believe it should stay in Welly as a Mecca for football fans across the country.
IMO.
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Its a big stadium the Ring of Fire and we currently only half fill it.....get off yah couches, get on the web, buy some flights and some match tickets, get down here, get to the Bencher pre-match and come and join the best sporting atmosphere in NZ.......
Come and join the Yellow Fever and the rest of the Nix supporters at any of our home games. Help to further enhance our home support and continue to create the cauldron that Australian teams are noting as "the most passionate" in the league and "the kind of support they would love to have at their own home grounds".
We don't want to dilute that by taking any league games away from Wellington. You want to experience it.....come and get it!!!
Its all neatly packaged for you in......PHOENIX CITY...!!!!
Come and join the Yellow Fever and the rest of the Nix supporters at any of our home games. Help to further enhance our home support and continue to create the cauldron that Australian teams are noting as "the most passionate" in the league and "the kind of support they would love to have at their own home grounds".
We don't want to dilute that by taking any league games away from Wellington. You want to experience it.....come and get it!!!
Its all neatly packaged for you in......PHOENIX CITY...!!!!
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I have no problem with pre season or friendly games going to Chch, Palmy North and Auckland but regular season games? Absolutely, 100%, no way. There aren't enough home games (yet) to do that and not annoy Wellington-based supporters ( the majority ).
a.haak
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No issue with pre-season games being away from Welly.
But if any home league games are moved sh*t will hit the fan
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I don't recall seeing any Knights or Kingz games in Wellington?
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I don't mind supporting from afar and watching the games on t.v. but I DO MIND THE BELIEF OF VIEWPOINT THAT NON WELLINGTONIAN FANS DONT DESERVE TO SEE A GAME IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD and they the nix should only play in one city.
It's not about whether fans in other cities deserve the Nix. Do you think the opposition to the WELLINGTON Phoenix giving up home advantage is because we consider other cities unworthy? No. It's because we are a Wellington team. Our support has been built up in Wellington on the basis of us being a Wellington team. If we were the NZ Phoenix with Wellington only getting a share of games, I doubt we would sell anywhere near as many season tickets. Us Wellington fans, with the few travelling fans that exist, are the target audience for the Nix.
I do mind the belief that non Wellington fans are willing to risk the (vast majority) Wellington support base for the Nix by taking our team away from us.
One day we hope to see another NZ city pick up an A-League franchise. That will stop people thinking the Phoenix are the NZ Phoenix.
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I don't recall seeing any Knights or Kingz games in Wellington?
The Kingz came down twice. The Knights never did.
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Heard Ricki interviewed on 2ZB this afternoon. He did talk about playing pre-season games around the Wellington region but didn't mention regular season games at all. I think a couple of pre-season games in cities that could provide a fan base who will travel to the RoF for regular season games makes sense e.g. Napier & New Plymouth.
To those who think the Wellington Phoenix should play regular season games away from fortress RoF ask yourselves this; How will giving away the huge advantage of playing a home game with the support of thousands of passionate, fanatical Wellington supporters help the Wellingon Phoenix win the A-league ? How can you think we will get a better match result playing in another city than we would by playing at fortress RoF ?
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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