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Smeltz?

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smeltz?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't profess to be a soccer guru by any stretch, but to me smeltz just hasnt looked up to it. For every goal he gets he cocks up plenty of others (i know he's the teams top scorer but think of how many chances he gets), gets offside around 50 times a game, and gives up the ball so easily.
 
is it because he is the lone striker that is making it tough for him to play well? i think george has looked sharp when he has played, maybe putting him up front too would help, give smeltz less attention from the defenders because he hasnt played well at all in my books thus far.
 
when i read these posts i see a lot of people saying he's playing well etc but if he wasn't a kiwi i wonder if he would be getting the same sort of reception.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Until the last seconds of the game cock-up he was the leading goal scorer in the league (we gave the lead to Petrovski) and his goal against Fiji last week was superb.

I don't care what nationality he is, if you are leading the leagues scoring title you have my support.

...and please, let's not do the George thing over again.  That has been done to death.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yea i know he was the top scorer but he gets so many chances, i think a striker with class would be on more goals then he is given some of the chances he gets from daniel, felipe etc rodfarva2007-10-23 20:54:40
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i'm hating this forum these days
too many critics
too many coaches
no faith
 

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A-League stats prior to last week had him having 5 shots and scoring 4 of them.

He needs to back himself to take chances more and we need to consider a way of having all our myriad of midfielders and two strikers.  It's a tough balance, but hardly Smeltz' fault.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

he has had 5 shots on goal and scored 4 of them.. 5 shots on goal all season is my point.. thats pretty average considering he's had a lot of good service (generally) from the creativity behind him.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can see the day very soon when he buries a hattick. so long as the midfield keep supplying the amunition. Like everyone else, he's finding his feet. Upon refection perhaps I'm expecting too much from Moss as well.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yea don't get me wrong id love smeltz to bury a whole lot and have me eating my words. i just hope it happens sooner rather then later.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
you've been reading too many Roy of the Rovers comics

the lad is doing just fine!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????
 
smeltz has been a REVELATION!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
works his bum off, strong on the ball, can distribute, dribble, wins headers, even scores goals!
 
he is my favourite player and the best performing kiwi in the squad (with an especially honourable mention to lochy).
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well if a revelation is 5 shots on goal in 8 starts then your dictionary is wrong champ.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

rodfarva - 4 goals from 5 shots - tells it's own story "champ"

When playing up front as the lone man, you're not going to get a lot of shots on goal - but he is largely the reason why we have had players scoring from midfield and delivering great balls into the middle for others to score. He holds the ball in the middle, and then lays it off to midfielders either in the middle or out wide.
 
He is quality - he has already equalled last season's top striker for the Knights!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he still scored 4 goals mate. And he went close so many times. I mean, if we were the Knights we would be complaining that we never score a goal..
at least we have the consolation/pleasure of having a really talented striker up front. Have you seen the goal he scored vs Fiji? He almost did it again on Sunday..
 
And let's face it, the Nix are overall playing well, but there are times where the lads haven't been playing 100% (either cause they were already behind 1 goal after 10' or for other reasons) but Smeltz is ALWAYS running, he puts heaps of pressure on the opposition, he does great headers..
and he scored 4 times...if he continues like this he can easily find the back of the net 10+ in the season (and I'm not even being ottimistic).
 
 

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Yeah, Cnut, that's one of Smeltz's skills that I've become more aware of over the weeks: his ability to hold the ball and lay it off. His close ball control is excellent and it takes a fair old shove to get him off the ball. I like that bit of mongrel he has to keep possession, something I have to say is missing with others in the team. It was frustrating against CCM to see them constantly winning the 50-50 balls. Smeltz is tough and strong, and he scores goals. Thumbs up from me.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lets analyse his goals to date:
 
1st goal (v Melbourne) - trying to head it back across the box, takes a deflection and loops in.
 
2nd goal - (v Adelaide) - cross takes a deflection and hits his shoulder and goes in.
 
3rd goal - (v Perth) - ball falls to him after good work from Coveny, and he lifts it in from point blank range.
 
4th goal - (v Queensland) -  weak shot the 'keeper had covered deflected in by a defender.
 
Only one out of four was a "clean" strike. You could argue he has scored three "lucky" goals.
 
Four goals in nine games is not prolific, but is a good return in a close competition where not a lot of goals have been scored.
 
I think he is doing OK but I would like to see him score a few more like the one against Fiji before I class him as a "revelation". Remember, non-league Halifax didn't want him and if it wasn't for that night in Wales would he even be in Wellington??
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he is scoring, i don't care if he farts them in!!

give the lad a break - what is it with some folks?!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agreed tigers - he is doing well.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not liking the amount of negativity about the knights. It feels like you are crticising a family member.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What, like a handicapped, retarded cousin family member?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hehe 'farts them in' that would be cool.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
At least he is scoring instead of blasting da ball into outer space (micky ferrante)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smeltz is class! r u on something whoever made this post? hes 1 of the top goal scorers in the league how is that a bad thing?! 
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Ignore the person who started this topic. Knows nothing about football.
 
Smeltz is class, works his ass off for the team in a lone striker role and still causes defences problems.
 
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Smeltz is playing really well, it doesn't matter what nationality he is, he's up there scoring them.  You call 3 of his goals lucky?  I call them poacher goals, and there are a LOT of teams that don't have players aware/accurate enough to score goals like that.  Look at Reinaldo in the recent game vs us, he had a clear shot and bungled it.  Smeltzie gets half a chance and buries it.

I'm glad he's a kiwi however for two reasons, first off its good to see our boys stepping up and representing, and second our media is well known for sl*gging off our homegrown players when things go wrong.  If Ferrante was scoring 4/5 shots and Smeltz was firing wide there'd be all sorts of negative comments about NZ players lacking the ability to score.  I remember reading newspaper articles about the confederations cup back when we were last in it, and the Dom Post writer back then had lots of snarky things to say including mocking the fact that the only goal scored by a kiwi was from a defender.

With Smeltz on form as he is currently it puts a lot of demons to bed and gives kids someone homegrown to aspire to.  Wanna be Dan Carter son? Nah Shane Smeltz!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I have to confess not having fallen head over heels with Smeltz like some of you fellus seem to have.
 
Having said that I think the problem is more systemic than down to an individual (yes, even Moss included in that bold assertion).
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree, watched the game, the back 3 kept looking at the linesman, then go forward - Shane offside!!
Really, to play a lone striker, the midfield have to run forward and ASSIST. He holds the ball up to pass it off but no ones running in. If he takes a shot against 3 defenders it will probably be scooped up by the keeper. Smeltz IS playing well, wish we had a Burns in the team to run on to some of the balls he passes in!! Daniel flatfooted more than once, cant wait for the ball to drop at his feet. Its a tough call playing in Aus, time difference difficult. But I love the Nix, they have a good team. Don't lose faith, new team, keep supporting them.
But Smeltz is NOT the problem, he is doing great job. Equal leading goal scorer..........wow, how many goals do you others think he should have?
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I am off contract, age 53, games must be over a 1, 000, fee well not as much as Johnyy Aloisi say 2 slabs a week plus rent and living expenses.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he still scored 4 goals mate. And he went close so many times. I mean, if we were the Knights we would be complaining that we never score a goal..
at least we have the consolation/pleasure of having a really talented striker up front. Have you seen the goal he scored vs Fiji? He almost did it again on Sunday..
 
And let's face it, the Nix are overall playing well, but there are times where the lads haven't been playing 100% (either cause they were already behind 1 goal after 10' or for other reasons) but Smeltz is ALWAYS running, he puts heaps of pressure on the opposition, he does great headers..
and he scored 4 times...if he continues like this he can easily find the back of the net 10+ in the season (and I'm not even being ottimistic).
 
 
 
Mate I don't want to make a judgement either way (altough his European lack of form or skill always plays on my mind) but if the Knights had the midfield we have in seasons one or two, Devine, Brockie, Casey, Marcina, and Yeo would have all scored plenty of goals and we would not have ended up bagging them!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
At least he is scoring instead of blasting da ball into outer space (micky ferrante)
 
If Ferrante could hit the target with the number of chances created for him then I think he'd be the leagues top scorer. Fact is that Smeltzy hits the target (intentionally or not) and if a striker is scoring, what more can you ask of him. Admittidly, some of his goals have been slightly fortunate (both equalisers in the 2-2 draws at home spring to mind) but you have to be there to score.
Bigs ups to Smeltzy, keep up the hard work and more goals will come.

Its no longer a problem.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He's scoring goals, which is what he's paid for, so as long as he keeps doing that I'll be happy. Thought he was disappointing on Sunday tho'.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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He is a box player, got great close control and a presence which makes him a great box player. Think Ruud VN and Smeltz is a similar style player. I can think of a lot worse strikers starting in other a-league teams
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Never thought I'd see Ruud VN and Shane Smeltz mentioned in the same sentence

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Auckland Jag wrote:
Never thought I'd see Ruud VN and Shane Smeltz mentioned in the same sentence
 
Have to agree there, class is worlds apart. Smetlz is a good player, and certainly on the improve, the biggest frustration I have with him, and I've mentioned it before in other posts, is simply his conversion of chances he gets, and the time he sits on the ball before taking a strike. Sure he has setup plenty of chances for others but as the loan man up front he has to make more shots out of the chances he gets. With his current 4/5 goals/shots just thin of the numbers if he'd actually taken the shot with the other 10 or so chances he has had in front of goal.
theprof2007-10-24 11:22:42

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