Starting line up vs Perth

Letting in 9 goals in 5 games, we have the worst keeper in the league. If thats his best form whats his worst.

so what goals are his fault. you are short on detail. We can pin Sydney on Lochy. And I dont think Adel were his blame. Dodd being off the field prob caused the first. CCM - dont think so. And think of how many he has stopped. Cmon. Detail

o please give me a break? r u the kind who would tell man united that they need to sort there sh*t out if they conceide a goal in there next game after having about 5 straight clean sheets?

have u conveniently forgotten this team has only played 5 competitive games together? have u even watched the goals moss "leaked" all by himself? ffs give it time, the defense will get better the mroe games we play. Goals like adelaides second are always hard to stop when the striker has the ability to take the defender out of the game like he did. Just get over it, blame is not anything positive for the phoenix

I would really like to see Brown start and for Elrich to get some game time. I thought George looked like he had something different to offer. I think Ferrantes days are numbered and Richard Johnsen will need to fight hard to keep his place but hes capable of it.

johnson + brown + Ferrante + Lia = mean squad comptition

WE'RE NOT AUCKLAND, WE'RE NOT AUCKLAND, WE'RE NOT AUCKLAND ANYMORE!!

Agree. Would like to see Brown get a start but then who makes way? Hoping Elrich comes off the bench too.

I'd like to see him replace Ferrante simply because he has good distribution skills like Ferrante and they are similiar styled (even though Browns better). And Elrich to come off the bench. (which will mean Ferrante misses out all together). what do u guys think of George?

lol is brown and johnson both playing a possibility? or is that too much holding play?

Did u happen 2 watch Brown last year? I thought he showed he was  good on attack too. Wat u rekon?

Moss in goal

on George looks like he has something different, that could be very valuable. He pretty much blew all those "he cant trap a ball" comments out of the water in the last game, hope Riki persues him and look forward to seeing how it goes

 

They are all his fault, he's in charge of the defence. For starters the first goal against Adelaide, flapped at the ball and never got near it.

Mossy is having a blinder. End of.

That's very harsh. I don't think any of the goals we've conceded so far were Moss' fault directly - he could have done better on the 3rd CCM goal if he'd come aggressively to cut off the ball before Kwasnik squared it, but even then it was hardly his fault that he was so exposed by his defence. With the first goal gainst Adelaide - we had opportunities to clear the ball away and we didn't, so squarely blaming Moss for the goal is a bit overzealous imo.
The easiest way to stop leaking goals is not to have our keeper hopelessly exposed at least two or three times every game. If we limit such opportunites for the opposition to a bare minimum, both Moss and Paston - whoever is keeping - will feel much more comfortable between the posts.

moss has been doing bloody well, it could be argued that he alone was the reason we ad our first win against sydney, how many attacks did he beat single handedly? he was brilliant. Get off your fcking high horse and stop bagging people ffs. why do u even bother posting this crap? o and also, u cant just label our defense the worst in the league because we have let in the most goals, goals are so much more than just Defense and goalkeepers. Have u considered that our midfield is still learning its trade together, thus turning over more bal in dangerous areas compared to teams that have been playing for 2 years already?

honestly bro, if your gonna post this negative crap go and post with the sydney supporters, they'll love what u've gotta say

I just dont get some you, I think hardly a day goes by on here without someone bagging someone in the squad.Yeah okay we are fans and are able to express our thoughts but this constant bagging of the players  does become a little repetitive. Given the short time they have had together there is bound to be mistakes made.Much like the fever zone give us both time and we will get there.

Just encase you weren't aware of it, I thought I'd post 3 of your quotes of ineptitude on this subject.

This isn't the NZ cricket team when Bond if fit again and you can choose to drop Gillespie or Martin. There is only 1 keeper and he is performing well.

A differing illustration. The story thus far
2-2 Draw
0-3 Loss
0-1 Loss
2-1 Win
2-2 Draw for 5 points. 6 goals for, 9 against.

Now if they had been
0-0 Draw
0-1 Loss
0-1 Loss
1-0 Win
0-0 Draw for 5 points. 1 goal for, 2 against.
You would be moaning about changing strikers even though we would still be on the same points and position and still have conceded more goals than scored. You are reading the wrong column. At the end of the season (unless its tied) goals for and against don't count a lick. Its the points. Be thankful that they are a: Scoring goals b: playing good football and c: not conceding goals like through moments of sheer ineptitude or should I say, like the kingz/knights and d: people are actually going along to watch and they are capturing the imagination of the public. I'm sure no-one would want to see no goals, shyte football and another crap defensive season from another NZ based outfit in an Aussie league and an empty stadium. Then you'd have Aucklanders chanting "See, you couldn't make it work either"

Pull your head in son. Moss is playing well and deserves to be starting.

dude try supporting the match officials. Fair to say I don't fly south in duck hunting season....

                -------moss----------

yeah good point Quacks

Reckon Ricky has to play  Elrich at the weekend surely better to blood him at home in front of a home crowd rather than on the road  in the next couple of games , as far as fitness goes he played in the Fulham reserves three weeks ago and i assume has trained since so should be up for half a game at least ,i would play him from the start maybe take him off after halftime if hes not coming up with goods and bring on Ferrante who seems to struggle with a full game anyway.

Ok, lets keep everyone happy.

  ...but, Moss IS playing well, that's the point, if he wasn't, put Paston in. If a keeper fails to save a direct penalty, is that a reason to bench him? cos he let the goal in...

nightz - that's one extreme to the other!

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Be thankful that they are a: Scoring goals b: playing good football and c: not conceding goals like through moments of sheer ineptitude or should I say, like the kingz/knights and d:[/QUOTE] nightz2007-09-27 12:08:19

Check those facts nightz.

At least two are wrong.

Still one wrong.

http://yahooxtra.net.nz/sport/0,,14561-5905754,00.html nightz2007-09-27 12:18:21

That's wrong.  The North Shore Shambles got tanked at Suncorp.

Dude, very selective facts. I posted what has happened this year and did so to illustrate that had we have the same points and position on the table with less goals for and against, you'd most likely complain about firing the strikers. Those results you used, were they ones you picked over the last 2 years?? Are they correct?? Did those selective results support your argument for dropping Moss because thats the crux of the argument here.

You can speak out against whomever you like and have an opinion on whomever, hell I do, but you need to actually back up that opinion with a couple of facts to support your opinion other than 'Well Paston was number 1 before he got injured". Paston WAS number one. He's not anymore cause Ricki is picking Moss and if (and I wish him good luck and fortune) Paston gets into the first team, then he will be the first choice keeper until such time as Moss gets picked again. Cleberson was the in the number 1 centre back pairing at the start of the season. He isn't now cause others are playing better so should we bring back Cleberson because he WAS one of the number 1 centre backs at the start of the season? You sound more like a cheerleader. Are you his mother/wife?

As for being clever sl*gging off the Knights? I wasn't trying to be clever nor chose a bad comparison at all. It was a DAMN f**kING OBVIOUS comparison cause they were a shyte NZ based football franchise in the A-League and the Phoneix are an NZ based franchise in the A-League. If I had compared them with the Warriors or Breakers, then take a crack at me for lining an orange up beside a lemon...

The Felipe argument, I work on the principle that if you wanna start for the Phoenix, play better than the man currently starting in 'your' spot or why take out a player who is performing, for one who may play as good as but not BETTER and disrupt team chemistry.

As someone else said above, would you drop Moss if he didn't save a penalty? No so why drop him when HE has not conceded any goals due to goal keeper error/ineptitude. Moss is playing well,  has saved a truck load of goals and has been solid without conceding any dumb goalkeeper mistake type goals. No reason to drop him, Paston isn't playing any BETTER than him.
DrQuack322007-09-27 13:12:04

Just a side note, Moss was voted Man of the Match against Sydney according to the A-league website.... kept us in the game with some ballsy saves. I completely agree with DrQuack, you can't drop Moss because he is playing well- If Paston begins to out keep him at practices on a regular basis then let the man play but obviously that hasn't been happening.

Don't think Elrich will play, let alone start. He's flying in today/tomorrow - not really enough time for Ricki.

If Nightz picked the team we would have Bazeley and Emblen at the back..

Here are the actual results from the Knights last year:
Drew 0 - 0 with the Jetz
Beat Adeliede 1- 0
lost to Melbourne 3 - 0
LOST to Qld Roar 5 - 0
lost to Sydney 1 - 0

After 5 games, 4 points For 1, Against 9! and sitting on a three match losing streak with Jonas Salley injured, Rodriguez limping around and Bazeley and Gemill at their brilliant best. And Milosevic has almost got his weight under 110kg.
Lets compare....
5 games, 5 points. For 6, Against 9. And have picked up 4 points in the last 2 games.Just signed a marquee player and have Felipe and Daniel carving up. No injury concerns and are actually looking like contenders. Plus have 2 great keepers.

I've worked hard on being stupid and supporting referees all week trying to earn that. Damn you people who take my award at the last minute....
DrQuack322007-09-27 14:17:03

That's a little harsh Frankie.

His assertion than the North Shore Shambles under Nevin could have beaten anyone away 5-0 was far more deserving.

well back to whole starting line-up. I think it's fair to say to elrich won't be starting if you look in the paper and Ricki hints at more players upfront. So im not really sure at all