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Sydney Vs Phoenix - Match Thread 10pm Sat

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Toffeeman wrote:
May have been mentioned but in the first half when Brosque went down from Reddy. If it wasn't a penalty then it should have been a card for diving. And Bridge (I think) early on against McKain. No atttempt at the ball and hit him just below the knee. Yellow card with out a doubt. 
I think syndey deserved to win but not in the manner in which it happened. We were poor but that was becasue Sydney outplayed us and didn't allow us to play to our strenghts.
Congrats Sydney but we'll get you next year. Just you wait.
 
Bridge could have got a read for that, it was nasty.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
cronus wrote:
 
Good idea to try and get something constructive from all this. One thing which seems to me to be anomaly in the rules (clearly set out by SiNZ yesterday, see also p35 FIFA Laws of the Game) is that attempting to score or scoring from a handball is not one of the seven sending off offences, where as attempting to deny the opposition a goal  with the hand is.
 
My non - expert opinion is that attempting to score from handball should also be sending off material since it can be just as influential as preventing the opposition from doing so.
 
 
 
Exactly. I wonder if Fifa would like to address this issue. It needs to be. 2 important instances within months of each other.
 
 
 
The more I think about it, the more I am starting to fall in love with the idea above.
 
IMHO the reason we do not see as many handball attempts to prevent goals is because players know that the potential penalty is dire. Therefore they dont risk it.
 
It seems there's far more freedom to be slack with hands when you are trying to score because the consequences are nowhere near as severe, therefore it's worth the risk and if you get away with, the attitude is that's okay.
 
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why not try two refs as they have in the NRL?
 
One for each half?
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Whitehartlane wrote:
Why not try two refs as they have in the NRL?
 
One for each half?
 
I don't think players would like it. Each ref has their different interpretations and a ref for either half would create inconsistencies. And I don't think it is fitness that is the issue, rather refs not getting a good view of the action. Therefore we either need them on the goaline, or we utilise video technology.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
havnt been on for a few days, needed to cool down, still spitting every time i think of that aussie c**t. but, thats football i guess (which is sad)
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cronus wrote:
  
IMHO the reason we do not see as many handball attempts to prevent goals is because players know that the potential penalty is dire. Therefore they dont risk it.
 
It seems there's far more freedom to be slack with hands when you are trying to score because the consequences are nowhere near as severe, therefore it's worth the risk and if you get away with, the attitude is that's okay.
 
 
You remind me of my younger days when I used to play in goal for Worthing United in England. We were winning 1-0 late in the game and were in that back to the wall defensive mode for the final couple of minutes. Even our predatory striker was back in our area defending... except he gave away a blatant handball penalty in the final minute when there was no immediate danger. When asked what he was doing handling so blatantly in our area, his response was along the lines of - it was a bad bounce, instinctive reaction and he always tries to give it a sneaky hand when in the opposing area! He hadn't stopped to think that the consequences were so different in his own area.... after that he was told never to enter his own penalty area again!
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Footpaul wrote:
Whitehartlane wrote:
Why not try two refs as they have in the NRL?
 
One for each half?
 
I don't think players would like it. Each ref has their different interpretations and a ref for either half would create inconsistencies. And I don't think it is fitness that is the issue, rather refs not getting a good view of the action. Therefore we either need them on the goaline, or we utilise video technology.
 
You'd have to think that if the A-League was following the Europa League trial with an extra official behind each goal line, then the handball would have been easily spotted.
 
Personally, even after this, I remain unconvinced about video technology. I'd need to see a proper proposal for what gets reviewed and what doesn't and how we would avoid holding the game up. In American Football, it has many detractors - they brought it in, got rid of it and then brought it back again and it still produces arguments. And that's a game that has lots of natural stops. Plus they have a small self-contained sport and don't need to think about having one set of rules for with video replay and a slightly different set for without, which is an understandable issue of FIFA's where they want one approach for all.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
.....still feeling empty..... 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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C-Diddy wrote:
I'm still broken!

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Hope this picks you up a wee bit.
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Payne�s hand propelled the ball into the net. He knew it and he's under pressure to win on behalf of his team. Other players are absolving him of blame because they'd do the same in his position. People sweep ethics under the carpet when it suits. The fox doesn't turn himself in for robbing the henhouse, or other foxes.

I'm not sold on trying to stop incidents happening with technology and I'm mindful of expense, especially in the A-League. Part of the attraction of football is the lack of intrusion. Better to change the attitude.

Bring in a post-match penalty. If video evidence show hands used in a scoring action in the box the player in question receives a 3 game ban. No reversing of results or goals, and no holding up the game. Gamesmanship and the human element stay.

Payne felt little need to fess-up. It would be in both the player's and team�s interest to be honest at the time of the incident. The player would be blameless if the officials let it stand in-game and they can face similar consequences to a dishonest player. Consider it incentive based ethics.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

watched the game in Womadland, haven't read the thread -

but suffice it to say I'll be booing that bastard Payne everytime he touches the ball for the rest of his career (unless the Nix ever do the 'unthinkable' and sign him or the Tigers ever stoop so low)
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I can imagine hearing YF new chants of "Cheat cheat cheat cheat" or "can't score without cheating" or "Payne's hands got RSI" each time he touches of the ball.
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The major thing about this game, other than the Phoenix being robbed, is that it demonstrates very well the poor level of refereeing in the A league. I believe that these referees are not fit and therefore slow and are then poorly placed to see fouls , do not seem to understand intent (as in tackles and diving)  and do not seem to be able to read play very well. All of this contributes to the very poor quality of refereeing and therefore inconsistance. This would also generally point to a systemic failure of the referees as a group. Having said that I believe that the only 2 referees of any quality are Peter OLeary and Mathew Breeze, but even these 2 can be inconsistent. I believe that over the last couple of seasons the standard of refereeing has got worse. That's my 2 cents worth.
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AllWhitebelievr wrote:
I can imagine hearing YF new chants of "Cheat cheat cheat cheat" or "can't score without cheating" or "Payne's hands got RSI" each time he touches of the ball.
  or pehaps:
 
Payne Payne wherever you may be
You use you hand when the ref can't see
You cheat to win, wherever you may be
And you cheat to win like your mate Henry
 
(to Lord of the Dance ( Park, Park..) tune)
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pretty sick of talking about the hand ball now
 
Look forward to next season :]

a.haak

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it is such a buga that this incident is detracting us from all the positives about the season and game/ nite overall.

I went to Sydney to watch and yes was disappointed we lost, and that the hand of payne influenced the result so much BUT jeeze I had a great time before the game with the YF lads, the chanting during was great for 500 fans - we did us proud and what really impressed me was that even when we went further behind and hope was verging on miracles, we still out sang the cove..!!

We need to make sure we don't inherit the 'whinging' tag by carrying on about the hand ball and definately not ruin a good young footballers career with silly actions - yes get fan songs and banter but let it stop there.

Thanks to all those that went over - you made the trip very memorable and even though it creates a financial cahllenge in the budget, I wouldn't hesitate again given the enjoyment and time had...

Well done Phoenix - fantastic season and it was great to be able to walk around sydney wearing the colours with pride and on many occassions get positive comments from people just walkiing around / shop owners etc on how well they are rated....great stuff!!!
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I-C-Red Devils wrote:

Well done Phoenix - fantastic season and it was great to be able to walk around sydney wearing the colours with pride and on many occassions get positive comments from people just walkiing around / shop owners etc on how well they are rated....great stuff!!!
 
But not from taxi drivers
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"Not from the Taxi drivers"

Couldn't afford taxis after spending out on air fares

There was little to no mention about this game anywhere in Sydney, not in the free rags,main paper, or even the news. They were more interested in the relationship breakup than anything else then the other sports all got mentioned but not A league.

I tried to hunt down a Nix playing top at Rebel (city x 2, Bondi Westfield), Mick Skimmons in the city opp QVB and even Peter Wynns in Paremmata .... no one had them at all.

Went to the NRL on Sunday at ANZ homebush, first game of season between Rabitohs and Roosters - 23,000!! - in fine voice too I might add. Sydney has so much choice but you still think it would be in the press / news.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I saw an article or 2,and a piece on the news after the game. About what you see here when the NRL,super 14 and cricket are on. And to be fair,sydney has a few NRL teams to report on.

Allegedly

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Police Altercation at the end.

There was a little bit of drama at the end as a couple of police / security (too many drinks to notice difference), pushed us aside as they ran up the aisle to attedn to some of us. I never seen any problem so curious as to what it was all about...we chided them for being a bit over the top and I don't believe they arrested anyone.

Anyone know more ..

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markho wrote:
The major thing about this game, other than the Phoenix being robbed, is that it demonstrates very well the poor level of refereeing in the A league. I believe that these referees are not fit and therefore slow and are then poorly placed to see fouls , do not seem to understand intent (as in tackles and diving)� and do not seem to be able to read play very well. All of this contributes to the very poor quality of refereeing and therefore inconsistance. This would also generally point to a systemic failure of the referees as a group. Having said that I believe that the only 2 referees of any quality are Peter OLeary and Mathew Breeze, but even these 2 can be inconsistent. I believe that over the last couple of seasons the standard of refereeing has got worse. That's my 2 cents worth.


The two refs you think are good, I think they are probably the two worst.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
markho wrote:
The major thing about this game, other than the Phoenix being robbed, is that it demonstrates very well the poor level of refereeing in the A league. I believe that these referees are not fit and therefore slow and are then poorly placed to see fouls , do not seem to understand intent (as in tackles and diving)� and do not seem to be able to read play very well. All of this contributes to the very poor quality of refereeing and therefore inconsistance. This would also generally point to a systemic failure of the referees as a group. Having said that I believe that the only 2 referees of any quality are Peter OLeary and Mathew Breeze, but even these 2 can be inconsistent. I believe that over the last couple of seasons the standard of refereeing has got worse. That's my 2 cents worth.


The two refs you think are good, I think they are probably the two worst.


I forgot to mention that every time I saw these two clowns walking on the pitch i saw to my wife = bet this guy ruins the game. Sure enough he did.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I actually lol'd when he said Breeze.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Where's Peter O'Leary when you need him??

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Have to admit I am not a big fan of O'Leary either. As for Breeze....he is usually okay except he seems to make mistakes with major decisions!
The best ref in the league is Srebre Delovski, but at times i think he lets players get away with too much.

Peter Green however is the worst. That display on Saturday night was disgraceful even if we ignore the handball incident.
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Streb Delovski good. Peter O'Leary good.

Breeze- absolute pants, except that he cards players for diving.


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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The problem is these guys are only part timers, so we tend to be too critical of them. However, the players nabd the fans deserve better.
If they paid me say $500 per game ,I know I would do a better job than most of these guys.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We have full time professional referees in Scotland, and trust me, these idiots are not much better than their part time Australian counterparts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Matthew Breeze is also a Police Prosecutor.

God help the Aussies.Stefan2010-03-18 21:37:52
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who's Peter Breeze?
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fixed.
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Stefan wrote:
Matthew Breeze is also a Police Prosecutor.

God help the Aussies.


You are not wrong.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Steve-O wrote:
We have full time professional referees in Scotland, and trust me, these idiots are not much better than their part time Australian counterparts!


Oh come on!!!! The referees in Scotland tow the party line......all their decisions go to their friends in blue with a funny handshake....
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Didn't I hear FIFA were looking at trialing goal line assistant refs?  I wonder if that may have changed things?
 
Mind you, I was behind the goal-line and didn't see anything but that may have more to do with drinking all day beforehand :)
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Mr Jolly wrote:
Didn't I hear FIFA were looking at trialing goal line assistant refs?  I wonder if that may have changed things?
 
Mind you, I was behind the goal-line and didn't see anything but that may have more to do with drinking all day beforehand :)



That might as well have been the ref's excuse!
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Mr Jolly wrote:
Didn't I hear FIFA were looking at trialing goal line assistant refs?  I wonder if that may have changed things?
 
Mind you, I was behind the goal-line and didn't see anything but that may have more to do with drinking all day beforehand :)
 
I don't know about FIFA, but UEFA are currently trialling it in the Europa League. I don't know what the feedback is, but the problem is that the sort of incidents we're talking about don't happen very often so the whole tournament could be completed without much requirement for their input.
 
Their attention would be a little more focused that yours, I would think. I don't know their instructions, but I imagine that it's specifically looking for hand balls, ball crossing goal line etc - whereas you were of course taking all of it in (drink included) and were a little further away!
 
It just occurs to me that some of the old-time grounds might have trouble with incorporating this approach. Southampton's old ground, The Dell, and I believe QPR's Loftus Road and Luton's Kenilworth have bugger all room behind the goal line. The goal line assistant might have to sit with the fans!
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just give the (flag?) to someone in the each of the supporter bays
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