Didn't St George play on it last night?
nah that was out at parramatta stadium. id know i was there haha.
Did the Waratahas (sp?) not play Super 14 there last night? I'm sure I saw a clip on the TV of some rugby game getting played at SFS last night??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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I think I'm gonna be sick (the 3rd one):
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Just got back from the game... I can't really say anything right now but I'm so gutted.
Yellow Fever went OFF when we scored, was absolutely amazing.
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
Yellow Fever went OFF when we scored, was absolutely amazing.
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
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Well, if it's any constellation I went straight to the SFS tunnel entrance to clap your lads off which Ifill nodded & acknowledged.
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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Sounded like the crowd clapped Ifill off too.
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Yeah they did show replays, no conspiracy just big cock-up I think.
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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There were no replays at the stadium?
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Ricki got out coached last night.
Midfield players not at the stadium for the first half, also too much space between banks of players for the Phoenix. If you've lost three times in a season to the same team, you MUST keep compact and make the other team play in front of your 8 [not 3 or at best 4] defenders/midfielders.
Midfield players not at the stadium for the first half, also too much space between banks of players for the Phoenix. If you've lost three times in a season to the same team, you MUST keep compact and make the other team play in front of your 8 [not 3 or at best 4] defenders/midfielders.
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First of all, congrats on a good season and a cracking finals series. Very much the team most deserving to make the Prelim and have been close to the most enjoyable side to watch all year. I've always been a big supporter of an NZ side in the league and am stoked you did so well thsi year to justfy much of that.
That said ...
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
That's a lie. The Durante goal wasn't shown at all. I'm not saying there is anything untowards about that goal (I wouldn't know - I've not seen the replay and we've been soft on defending set pieces of 5yrs) ... But it definitely wasn't replayed.
Numerous fouls also weren't shown - which is the same every week. No conspiracy here.
Tough luck on the Payne handball, but it's not much different to the "handball" call that saw Melbourne win in ET last week, so I can't pretend to feel a lot of pity. The officiating in this comp is poor, everyone gets hit by it at some point.
At the end of the day, I think the 4-2 scoreline flattered your side if anything. The second half was all Sydney, and Reddy made far more stops than Bolton did. Over 90mins we definitely proved we're the better side, and we're deservedly off to Melbourne next week.
Again congrats on a good year, congrats on the great numbers here this week, and FTT.
Jaza2010-03-14 04:04:37
That said ...
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
That's a lie. The Durante goal wasn't shown at all. I'm not saying there is anything untowards about that goal (I wouldn't know - I've not seen the replay and we've been soft on defending set pieces of 5yrs) ... But it definitely wasn't replayed.
Numerous fouls also weren't shown - which is the same every week. No conspiracy here.
Tough luck on the Payne handball, but it's not much different to the "handball" call that saw Melbourne win in ET last week, so I can't pretend to feel a lot of pity. The officiating in this comp is poor, everyone gets hit by it at some point.
At the end of the day, I think the 4-2 scoreline flattered your side if anything. The second half was all Sydney, and Reddy made far more stops than Bolton did. Over 90mins we definitely proved we're the better side, and we're deservedly off to Melbourne next week.
Again congrats on a good year, congrats on the great numbers here this week, and FTT.
Jaza2010-03-14 04:04:37
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Just read the thread, f**king LOL @ Steve-O.
Your squad, much like ours, overachieved this year. It's a credit to Herbert that he found Ifill who carried you in several parts of this season. Your central defence isn't HAL title quality, and your central midfield lacks any real creativity (notably with the flop that is Diego). On paper your squad should've battled for 6th, and it's really a credit to Herbert and Ifil (and possibly David Mitchell for being a terrible coach)l that you came 4th and got to the the Prelim.
Greenacre is a great signing who does far more than his goal tally suggests. He's a key player for you next year, and with a few key signings (key CB to replace McKain, key CM to do what Diego should've done, and key CF to replace Chen/Dadi would be my first suggestions) you're title contenders. RH has a bit of cap to spend in the off season with certain players off-contract, and if he spends it well you'l be back again in better form next year.
Your squad, much like ours, overachieved this year. It's a credit to Herbert that he found Ifill who carried you in several parts of this season. Your central defence isn't HAL title quality, and your central midfield lacks any real creativity (notably with the flop that is Diego). On paper your squad should've battled for 6th, and it's really a credit to Herbert and Ifil (and possibly David Mitchell for being a terrible coach)l that you came 4th and got to the the Prelim.
Greenacre is a great signing who does far more than his goal tally suggests. He's a key player for you next year, and with a few key signings (key CB to replace McKain, key CM to do what Diego should've done, and key CF to replace Chen/Dadi would be my first suggestions) you're title contenders. RH has a bit of cap to spend in the off season with certain players off-contract, and if he spends it well you'l be back again in better form next year.
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First of all, congrats on a good season and a cracking finals series. Very much the team most deserving to make the Prelim and have been close to the most enjoyable side to watch all year. I've always been a big supporter of an NZ side in the league and am stoked you did so well thsi year to justfy much of that.
That said ...
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
That's a lie. The Durante goal wasn't shown at all. I'm not saying there is anything untowards about that goal (I wouldn't know - I've not seen the replay and we've been soft on defending set pieces of 5yrs) ... But it definitely wasn't replayed.
Numerous fouls also weren't shown - which is the same every week. No conspiracy here.
Tough luck on the Payne handball, but it's not much different to the "handball" call that saw Melbourne win in ET last week, so I can't pretend to feel a lot of pity. The officiating in this comp is poor, everyone gets hit by it at some point.
At the end of the day, I think the 4-2 scoreline flattered your side if anything. The second half was all Sydney, and Reddy made far more stops than Bolton did. Over 90mins we definitely proved we're the better side, and we're deservedly off to Melbourne next week.
Again congrats on a good year, congrats on the great numbers here this week, and FTT FTB.
FixedThat said ...
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
That's a lie. The Durante goal wasn't shown at all. I'm not saying there is anything untowards about that goal (I wouldn't know - I've not seen the replay and we've been soft on defending set pieces of 5yrs) ... But it definitely wasn't replayed.
Numerous fouls also weren't shown - which is the same every week. No conspiracy here.
Tough luck on the Payne handball, but it's not much different to the "handball" call that saw Melbourne win in ET last week, so I can't pretend to feel a lot of pity. The officiating in this comp is poor, everyone gets hit by it at some point.
At the end of the day, I think the 4-2 scoreline flattered your side if anything. The second half was all Sydney, and Reddy made far more stops than Bolton did. Over 90mins we definitely proved we're the better side, and we're deservedly off to Melbourne next week.
Again congrats on a good year, congrats on the great numbers here this week, and FTT FTB.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10631950
"The referee said it was ball to hand rather than hand to ball
and let
it stand," Durante said. "The linesman said he didn't see it. It's
really hard to take."
This better not be true, I'm angry on the basis that noone saw it, but if the Ref saw it and tries to explain it away like that.....
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Great year for the Phoenix. Thanks guys. Outcoached last night as Sydney exposed the weaknesses we all know about, and while spitting about the handball goal, at least this club is on the map, and recruitment of quality players will be easier than it was this time last year. Gruelling finals schedule caught up with some legs last night, which is understandable.
Re future. Our delivery into the box has been poor all year - Bertos is the worst offender and is clearly a major question mark, we're often suspect at both left and right back, no class creative midfielder and tactically naive in utilising Greenacre's strengths. Why sign a smash and grab six yard box guy, play him alone up front, and throw high balls aimlessly in his direction all year. Thought Greenacre was really good last night. Diego's been a total flop. But hey - I'm sure this club will sort thru all these things they won't be unaware of.
If the Phoenix get they recruitment right, they WILL make a huge challenge next season, and know now they have to win home games early on to have any chance of finishing 1 or 2 in the regular season. They just can't afford to play catchup in the last third. To get to the GF - they must finish 1 or 2. Big ask, but a definite possibility if they can get a flyer to the season.
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Your squad, much like ours, overachieved this year. It's a credit to Herbert that he found Ifill who carried you in several parts of this season. Your central defence isn't HAL title quality, and your central midfield lacks any real creativity (notably with the flop that is Diego). On paper your squad should've battled for 6th, and it's really a credit to Herbert and Ifil (and possibly David Mitchell for being a terrible coach)l that you came 4th and got to the the Prelim.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Good morning.
I can now confirm that Yellow Fever is in fact an actual medical condition - after a season of ever increasing A League pressure, the stress got finally too much for me and I was stricken with a migraine, sending me to bed for the evening - I never saw a ball played live (TRAGIC) but many thanks to LF1 and Chotey for keeping the game alive on radio as I drifted in and out of conscioiusness.
Anyway, have seen something of the replays this morning:
* gutting, gutting, gutting but so very proud that we support a team and players with INTEGRITY
* goal in question shd have been disallowed AND player sent off, reducing them to 10 men at 1 all. Would have changed all momentum of match. Even if player was not sent off, the closing stages would have been 3-2 and who knows???
* how will Reddy fit into that team now??!! It will require some gigantic team building I would have thought
* what a season for the Phoenix ... I cant be at the airport tonight (shift work) but I do hope that there can be a turn out to let them know how very proud we are
Phoenix Forever
Cronus and Family
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The state of the pitch was even more disgusting. I've seen a paddock in better nick
Sure it was bad, but it was bad for both teams.
The commentators are annoying, I find our rugby commentators the same (I feel sorry for anyone who watches our feeds overseas from rugby matches!), but it is crap to hear how good everyone else is all the time.
The second goal winded us a bit, but the game wasn't over, we even scored again. Sydney just played better, our attacking plays always broke down, a lot of our passing was pretty off target, often getting read too easy or going to Sydney players.
I don't blame Payne for using the arm at the time (like right at that moment), but he should have told the ref. Nice to see what professionalism does to sportsmanship eh. Get used to it though! I think it wil scar him for a while, and the YF will never let him forget...
"Hey Painy, this is football, this ain't handball!"
'Kin hell, sorry to see you all have the axe swinging after the best season ever. Maybe we should dig up all those"Let's fire Ricki!" threads from the start of the season after the best season in th club's history eh?
Sure, I'd like us to win, but I think they did well this year all things considered, and despite dropping at the second last hurdle, I think they did awesome this year! Let's not let dissapointment cloud judgement? Haha
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* goal in question shd have been disallowed AND player sent off, reducing them to 10 men at 1 all. Would have changed all momentum of match. Even if player was not sent off, the closing stages would have been 3-2 and who knows???
Except it's not a red card offence. Under what law of the game are you asking for a dismissal?
He should have got a yellow though.
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Big Ups to the 4Kings for playing 'always look on the bright side of life' just after the final whistle.
Sort of said it all ....
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* goal in question shd have been disallowed AND player sent off, reducing them to 10 men at 1 all. Would have changed all momentum of match. Even if player was not sent off, the closing stages would have been 3-2 and who knows???
Except it's not a red card offence. Under what law of the game are you asking for a dismissal?
He should have got a yellow though.
Deliberate handball to score a goal or prevent a goal is automatic send off is it not?
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No.
SiNZ2010-03-14 09:50:08
To clarify and quote Law 12:
Sending-off Offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
� serious foul play
� violent conduct
� spitting at an opponent or any other person
� denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
� denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player�s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
� using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
� receiving a second caution in the same match
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No.
To clarify and quote Law 12:
Sending-off Offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
� serious foul play
� violent conduct
� spitting at an opponent or any other person
� denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
� denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player�s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
� using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
� receiving a second caution in the same match
There you go then, thanks for that clarification. Thought it worked the other way as well ( ie scoring for yourself but it is only the denying of the opposition.) Cheers
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great to see so many phoenix fans, wish I was there.
What a sh*tter.
The whole game could have been completely different if that bloody handball was seen.
jesus.
What a sh*tter.
The whole game could have been completely different if that bloody handball was seen.
jesus.
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No problem - you haven't been alone in erroneously thinking it was a sending off.
Under the guidelines section included in the laws, there is a section on handballs, where the disciplinary sanctions are discussed - as hand ball must always be deemed as deliberate but is not always a yellow card offence. What is important is that the red card for prevention is not a direct result of the hand ball but from the prevention of the goal.
Disciplinary sanctions
There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting behaviour is required when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player:
� deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession
� attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball
A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10631950
"The referee said it was ball to hand rather than hand to ball and let it stand," Durante said. "The linesman said he didn't see it. It's really hard to take."
This better not be true, I'm angry on the basis that noone saw it, but if the Ref saw it and tries to explain it away like that.....
Yeah that makes no sense to me. To continue quoting from the ref guidelines in the LotG (below), surely his arm went up as he leant towards the ball? I haven't seen it since last night, but it was arm up going forward and making contact with the ball wasn't it?
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Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:
� the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
� the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
� the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
� touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard etc.) counts as an infringement
� hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard etc.) counts as an infringement
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I think Reddy is going to have a hard time fitting in with this cheating outfit next season. It would be justice to see him change his mind!
All those saying the handball didn't influence the result don't know football. It changed the whole game as we had to chase the game, and were exposed as we were pushing forward. We weren't great last night, but we didn't deserve to go down like that.
Considering the lack of cards for some dreadful tackles, the amount of cynical diving by Sydney, particularly Bosque, and that "goal", the ref should be lucky to officiate again.
Poor crowd, poor morals, poor pitch, poor Sydney.
Next year Phoenix!
All those saying the handball didn't influence the result don't know football. It changed the whole game as we had to chase the game, and were exposed as we were pushing forward. We weren't great last night, but we didn't deserve to go down like that.
Considering the lack of cards for some dreadful tackles, the amount of cynical diving by Sydney, particularly Bosque, and that "goal", the ref should be lucky to officiate again.
Poor crowd, poor morals, poor pitch, poor Sydney.
Next year Phoenix!
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I think the end result was fair and if you took out the offending Payne goal the scoreline would have been fair too. Sydney were far more incisive in attack than we were although we did our best to balance it out in the second half. But the boys did us proud after a gruelling few weeks.
Looking forward to next season. The challenge is to now to repeat the form and style of the latter stages of this season to show we ain't one-hit wonders.
Go the 'Nix! We love ya.
Looking forward to next season. The challenge is to now to repeat the form and style of the latter stages of this season to show we ain't one-hit wonders.
Go the 'Nix! We love ya.
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Highlights are up here.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Sydney-FC-hand-Phoenix-a-bitter-blow/tabid/317/articleID/146254/Default.aspx
http://www.3news.co.nz/Sydney-FC-hand-Phoenix-a-bitter-blow/tabid/317/articleID/146254/Default.aspx
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Phoenix rocks!! before this game they were 5 straight wins in a row!!
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The re f said it was ball to hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iM SO BEEPED OFF NOW
ball TO HAND.
HE STUCK HIS %^&&*&^* HAND OUT.
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Just got back from the game... I can't really say anything right now but I'm so gutted.
Yellow Fever went OFF when we scored, was absolutely amazing.
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
Yellow Fever went OFF when we scored, was absolutely amazing.
Interesting point... They showed replays of all fouls and goals... apart from Paynes handball goal
No balls to show it.
More to do with FIFA not allowing contentious decisions to be shown on the screens at grounds & I think Paynes goal qualifies just.
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finishing third in the A-League is a great feat. Congratulations to all the team and management. We will have learnt from this experiance and will come back even stronger next season.
What needs to happen off season is some smart recruiting to shore up some of the areas we are lacking. Greenacre will turn 34 this year and Dadi 37. They have been of some value this year but we need a couple of younger sharper attackers to build the attack around.
Greenacre gives his heart and soul everyweek but at his age he will not get any quicker or more lethal. 6 goals and 1 assist in a whole season shows his star is already in decline. Dadi was a useful and entertaining stop gap but will not feature again. Dadi did show in flashes the type of player that would be great for us. Someone tall..good in the air, with good ball control...someone the rest of the attackers can play off.
The Sydney game showed an area wich has been poor for us all season....we did good things moving the ball up the pitch but then the final delivery was very poor. Looped crosses are bread and butter for most A-League defenses. It was quite obvious when we saw Daniel come on against the Jets what difference quality passing can make.
The Diego recruitment did not work...right idea, wrong player.
So its quite simple really....a quality striker and a creative midfielder...not much to ask is it?
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Your squad, much like ours, overachieved this year. It's a credit to Herbert that he found Ifill who carried you in several parts of this season. Your central defence isn't HAL title quality, and your central midfield lacks any real creativity (notably with the flop that is Diego). On paper your squad should've battled for 6th, and it's really a credit to Herbert and Ifil (and possibly David Mitchell for being a terrible coach)l that you came 4th and got to the the Prelim.
+1 what a misguided thing to say
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The argument of' ball to hand' is not valid in this scenario as Payne's arm is not in what would be considered as a natural position for heading the ball ( i.e. straight arm extended above head). Also the velocity of the ball needs to be taken into consideration too. It was travelling fairly slowly so 'ball to hand' becomes harder to justify. Furthermore, with respect to ' benefit of doubt' clearly in this situation the defending team needs to be given B of D ( not that I'm saying there is any doubt)In Summary if the ref saw this and deemed ' ball to hand ' the league need to look at his suitability at this level.
One more point. We need a simple law change. Deliberate hand ball in opposition area creating goalscoring opportunity/goal should be worthy of red card-(reciprocal law to denying goal scoring opportunity with hand in own area)
BlattersBalls2010-03-14 12:36:01
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Just read the thread, f**king LOL @ Steve-O.
Your squad, much like ours, overachieved this year. It's a credit to Herbert that he found Ifill who carried you in several parts of this season. Your central defence isn't HAL title quality, and your central midfield lacks any real creativity (notably with the flop that is Diego). On paper your squad should've battled for 6th, and it's really a credit to Herbert and Ifil (and possibly David Mitchell for being a terrible coach)l that you came 4th and got to the the Prelim.
Greenacre is a great signing who does far more than his goal tally suggests. He's a key player for you next year, and with a few key signings (key CB to replace McKain, key CM to do what Diego should've done, and key CF to replace Chen/Dadi would be my first suggestions) you're title contenders. RH has a bit of cap to spend in the off season with certain players off-contract, and if he spends it well you'l be back again in better form next year.
Your squad, much like ours, overachieved this year. It's a credit to Herbert that he found Ifill who carried you in several parts of this season. Your central defence isn't HAL title quality, and your central midfield lacks any real creativity (notably with the flop that is Diego). On paper your squad should've battled for 6th, and it's really a credit to Herbert and Ifil (and possibly David Mitchell for being a terrible coach)l that you came 4th and got to the the Prelim.
Greenacre is a great signing who does far more than his goal tally suggests. He's a key player for you next year, and with a few key signings (key CB to replace McKain, key CM to do what Diego should've done, and key CF to replace Chen/Dadi would be my first suggestions) you're title contenders. RH has a bit of cap to spend in the off season with certain players off-contract, and if he spends it well you'l be back again in better form next year.
I said Ifill and Phoenix had a great season? I also said Ifill was crap last night, which he was.
Greenacre has had an average season, but as I also said, this is not all down to being his fault. He's said himself that he does not like playing the lone striker role, but we persist with it anyway. We went through a stage of playing 2 up front, and I think we were better when we did.
I hope McKain does not need to be replaced!
I'd probably be inclined to give Dadi another year as just another option. He's still managed to get 5 goals...not far off Greenacre's total, so he does offer something, at least off the bench.
We do need another striker, hopefully to partner Greenacre just as I said.
So, still f**king LOLing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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The re f said it was ball to hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
iM SO BEEPED OFF NOW
ball TO HAND.
HE STUCK HIS %^&&*&^* HAND OUT.
Ball to hand from a cross 25 yards away? What a complete and utter pile of nonsense. I would've preferred if he'd said he never seen it! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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But that's want the A-League wanted a SYD v MELB final, they didn't want a kiwi side coming from nowhere in the final. F me, I was there, that HAND BALL for a goal. what can i say but WOW, The A-League have great refs that's why no Aussie's are the ref in the World Cup
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Tbh, I wouldn't mind a new LB, Lochhead has been a real weakness. Striker is key as well. Jaza, I'd agree with the midfield call- Brown, Lia and Muscat are all the same sort of player... We need some creativity in there. However McKain & Durante have been class! Both got deserved Socceroos call ups and I'm pretty sure at least after the regular season we had second tightest defense.
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