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Terry and the WCC...show me the $$$

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Doloras wrote:
Quite frankly, I don't care if Terry is as crooked as a dog's hind leg. In fact, I actually assume he is, because I assume all really rich and successful people didn't get that way by being kind to old ladies and helping sick puppies across the road. 
 
 
Right on Dolaras!!!
It sounds like not many people posting on here have never  been in private business. I have worked in the private sector for over 20 years. The rumours that people have posted about Terry would apply to just about ever sector of the commercial world. My time working in the construction industry was a real eye opener. None payments...rip offs, law suites were standard practice. I have never met a rich succesful person who has not stomped on a few people on the way up.
 
As a football fan I owe a huge amount of gratitude to Terry. I know he is not mother Teresa...and I don't give a rats arse.
 
When I started this post I meant it as a comment about how this financial situation would impact on the viability of the Phoenix. I pointed out that the Nix losing $1.5 mill followed by a reported debt of $2 mill to the WCC obviously could have a negative impact on the Nix.
 
I never intended that it become a rumour forum about Terrys business practices.
 
Some of the press coverage so far has been scum bag muck racking. Especially Campbell live. We are in the middle of a recession. Lots of businesses are struggling to pay their bills and make ends meet. Terry is just unfortunate that he has a higher profile than most of us. Kiwis like taking a pot shot at the sucessfull.
 
Leave the guy alone and let him sort out his business problems in private.
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Black Plague wrote:

Loco Abreu e o cara!!!!!!!!!

 
 
Isn't that a Ricky Martin song?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Boring.

I think many of us are making a mountain out of a mole hill.  These sorts of things happen with the club owners here in the UK.  There are many dodgy business owners in football.

Just think about Clive or Trumpy himself.  Trump has had these kinds of issues himself for years (he's definitely not clean-cut).

I believe that Terry has probably shafted a number of small business owners over the years but then again I'm sure some of them may have been fully deserving of that shafting. 

As some of you have said on here "his business dealings and timeliness for making payments is abismal and has been for a long time and is well known in the property development market".  Why then do business with him idiots?  Surely "once bitten twice shy"?

Lets leave this Dom argument to die-off and get back to football.  As long as he doesn't come out and say that he's doing a Matheison or Clive tomorrow who cares.
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possibly with the license being secured for the next five years, it is time for terry to look at bringing other investors on board.
 
It depends on what model is utilised but for me the only way to do this and to capitalise on good feeling around the city is to follow the Barcelona Fc model. (2000 owners and one elected board) 
 
This would at least put a block between linking the business of Century 21 with the business of the Phoenix FC which seems to have happened..
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pompey 657 wrote:
This would at least put a block between linking the business of Century 21 with the business of the Phoenix FC which seems to have happened..
Century City

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The Wellingtonian has got in on it aswell.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/the-wellingtonian/3633002/Wellington-Phoenix-safe-for-now


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Originally posted by Midlander

For any 'fan' of the Wellington Phoenix this story should be of huge importance. Mainstream media outlets don't run stories of this nature unless they are very sure of their information and where the story might finish up. That said it is not confirmation that Terry is in 'financial' trouble that he can't fight his way out of.

 What planet do you live on? (from TEGAL)

Great addition to the discussion................i'll leave you to the sand your head is currently in.

To generalise, clearly a large number of contributors to this topic believe this is one or all of the below:
a: Scare Mongering
b: Lies by the media
c: Tall poppy syndrome
d: Bullsh*t
 
I hate to wake a few of you up, but here is the truth:
 
The owner of the Phoenix is having some financial issues
The owner of the Phoenix owes a huge bill to the City Council for unpaid rates
The owner of the Phoenix is under fire in the media for a raft of unpaid creditors
Those creditors are getting restless
The media is reporting all of the above
 
Now, you can debate the rights and wrongs of whether Terry is an 'easy target' and should be in the papers at all. You can debate whether it has anything to do with a football forum on a fan website. You can roll the rock over the entrance to the cave and hope when you come out again this has all gone away.
 
What is not up for debate though is the veracity of the claims being made in the media, they are entirely truthful (yes, mainstream media actually does research this sort of potentially libellious story), creditors are owed money, the council is owed a huge amount in upaid rates, Terry Serepisos company is struggling to pay and in some cases is simply choosing not to.
 
The fact he is a property developer and all property developers are under stress because of the recession is not cause for comfort. Guess what, property developers who are owed money by failed contractors or third party developers who have gone under are themsevles at risk. Guess what, some of them go broke and leave investors out of pocket.
 
Now again, i stress that i am concerned as a fan of teh Phoenix and football. I sincerely hope that Terry's company is able to trade out of these difficulties, i hope all the bills can be paid and life goes on happily ever after.
 
Because what some of you don't seem to grasp is that the alternative for the Phoenix does not bear thinking about.
Midlander2010-04-30 19:09:30
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Well said. There is always fire under the smoke unless the bomb has already gone off.
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If the alternative does not bear thinking about, why are you thinking about it?

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Must be a no news day
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3648816/Serepisos-sells-spare-Ferrari

Seems like a nothing article really.

Same with the one where sir bob jones said he was the wrong man for the apprentice.
I much prefer Terry on it to Bob. He may be a Sir but I have no idea about the companies he owns. He is a nobody to me.
He had his time on Dragons den. It suited him. He could be a grumpy old git And be on tv. Stefan2010-05-03 09:04:39
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Stefan wrote:
Must be a no news dayhttp://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3648816/Serepisos-sells-spare-Ferrari Seems like a nothing article really. Same with the one where sir bob jones said he was the wrong man for the apprentice. I much prefer Terry on it to Bob. He may be a Sir but I have no idea about the companies he owns. He is a nobody to me. He had his time on Dragons den. It suited him. He could be a grumpy old git And be on tv.


Sir Bob owns a number of office buildings around Wellington, and has been in the property business for a long time. He's also worth about $220M.
http://www.rjholdings.co.nz/

He's not the character that a lot of people like, but he's an intelligent man, even if you don't always agree with what he has to say.
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Has someone got a link to a list of all the sports/charities that Sir Bob financially supports?

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Yep, here it is:

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Feverish wrote:
Has someone got a link to a list of all the sports/charities that Sir Bob financially supports?
 
Does Terry support any sports or charaties other than the Phoenix? just saying you guys are a little biased on he who can do no wrong
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Sponsors the Saints Basketball and the Wellington Racing Cup so there are a couple more sports. Hard News2010-05-03 11:59:10

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I'm not sure if he still does but Bob Jones was a huge supporter of boxing when I was at high school and later on when I first got into the sport. He used to regularly put together tournaments and help set up the original clubs aimed at getting troubled kids off the streets
 
but I do think his idea to close down Wgtn streets to make them pedestrian only is a pain
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Smithy wrote:
Yep, here it is:


No, you're confused. That's the list of people Terry has paid this year.

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stealthkiwi wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Has someone got a link to a list of all the sports/charities that Sir Bob financially supports?
 
Does Terry support any sports or charaties other than the Phoenix? just saying you guys are a little biased on he who can do no wrong
yes he does.And Sir Bob is tighter than a camels ass in a sand storm.

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Oh ffs, let's not turn this into a Terry vs Bob pissing contest.
 
The truth is they are both hard-nosed business men who didn't get to the top by being nice to everybody.
 
I don't know either of them and if I did I suspect I wouldn't like either of them. But who cares? Terry's done a good job with the Phoenix and the only thing I want from him is that he keeps it going. If that means making tough decisions like paying his rates late to protect his cashflow in a recession then so be it - that's the kind of hard-arse I want running the Phoenix.
 
As for Bob the Gob - this story must be really running out of steam if they are relying on quotes from him. Bob would slag off Mother Theresa if you plied him with enough red wine.
 
At least Terry hasn't punched a journalist yet (although that may be coming!).

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lol I had the punching a journalist in the plus side of the Bob Jones column. I met him once whn I was working as a journalist a cpl of years after that incident and he was nice as pie and rather funny
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Arsenal wrote:
Smithy wrote:
Yep, here it is:


No, you're confused. That's the list of people Terry has paid this year.


No bites yet, I'm surprised.
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Today's DomPost front page headline was great!! What a STORY! Man Buys Car.    Crikey!!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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terminator_x wrote:
Terry's done a good job with the Phoenix and the only thing I want from him is that he keeps it going. If that means making tough decisions like paying his rates late to protect his cashflow in a recession then so be it - that's the kind of hard-arse I want running the Phoenix.
 
At least Terry hasn't punched a journalist yet (although that may be coming!).


Boys, I'm asking the same question here as I am asking on 4-4-2, it's not that Terry owes money to the Council or subcontractors or anything, but the NZ media (Fairfax NZ mainly?) have been picking on Terry every day for ther past week at least.

The FFA may ask for a 'please explain' sooner or later, not for the fact that he owes money, but for the negative press he is generating. Every article I've read quotes Terry as "Wellington Phoenix owner Terry Seperisos".

The FFA may not want to be associated with the bad press for any longer.

Just a thought.

PS - Terminator, like I mentionded to Haak/Valeo on 4-4-2, just becuase they are multi-millionaries, doesn't mean that we have to endorse bad behaviour from them, it's not a good look to set for the kids. Alan Bond and Christopher Skase were crucified for their actions here, we didn't give them leeway because they had money, the opposite happened.
diego's son2010-05-03 18:24:30
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Hang on a second, it's not like he's lead investment collapses and taken others money with him, or syphoned money from one company in to his own personal holdings.

His money, his business, is having a rough time, at no point has it impacted the Phoenix except generating more media inches.

Let's not beat it up into something it's not.  He's no Bond or Skase and to liken him to them on no evidence would be legally dodgy i would have thought,

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Hard News wrote:
Hang on a second, it's not like he's lead investment collapses and taken others money with him, or syphoned money from one company in to his own personal holdings.

His money, his business, is having a rough time, at no point has it impacted the Phoenix except generating more media inches.

Let's not beat it up into something it's not.  He's no Bond or Skase and to liken him to them on no evidence would be legally dodgy i would have thought,


Just calm down HN, I wasn't trying to be nasty. I was coming from the angle that the CONTINUAL articles from Fairfax NZ may trigger the FFA to ask what is going on.

I know it's hard to relay yours and my intent through the internet, but it was more inquisitive than nastiness.

OK?

PS - what's with the legally dodgy bit, how sensitive are you? Lighten up. No way did I refer to Terry in the Bond/Skase category, that's stupid and foolish.

Lighten up.
diego's son2010-05-03 18:57:50
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LOL
You know we belong together...

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Oska wrote:
LOL


At him or me? The intent of my message wasn't to be nasty, how much more can I relay this?
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diego's son wrote:
Just calm down HN, I wasn't trying to be nasty. I was coming from the angle that the CONTINUAL articles from Fairfax NZ may trigger the FFA to ask what is going on.

I know it's hard to relay yours and my intent through the internet, but it was more inquisitive than nastiness.


Well let me put your mind at rest then DS.

The FFA couldn't give a flying f**k what's going on because:

a) They have far too many other problems to sort out than worry about hassling one of the A-League's most stable and committed owners, and

b) They probably also understand that this is the NZ media we're talking about, who frankly do not have enough to do and will get a hard-on when, for example, they see the deputy prime ministers car parked on a yellow line!


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terminator_x wrote:
They probably also understand that this is the NZ media we're talking about, who frankly do not have enough to do and will get a hard-on when, for example, they see the deputy prime ministers car parked on a yellow line!
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terminator_x wrote:
diego's son wrote:
Just calm down HN, I wasn't trying to be nasty. I was coming from the angle that the CONTINUAL articles from Fairfax NZ may trigger the FFA to ask what is going on.

I know it's hard to relay yours and my intent through the internet, but it was more inquisitive than nastiness.


Well let me put your mind at rest then DS.

The FFA couldn't give a flying f**k what's going on because:

a) They have far too many other problems to sort out than worry about hassling one of the A-League's most stable and committed owners, and

b) They probably also understand that this is the NZ media we're talking about, who frankly do not have enough to do and will get a hard-on when, for example, they see the deputy prime ministers car parked on a yellow line!


I don't know the history of the NZ media from a bar of soap, but my point was that if a NZ media agency is continually going to pop up stories (true or otherwise) about Terry's current financial/cashflow matters then it may trigger the FFA to politiely "ask" what's going on.

If the Phoenix and NZ football have made the gains suggested there in the last 12 months, do you think that the FFA want to stop that gain (or NZF for that matter?)? NZF as 'Nix Licence holders (Terry sub-leases the licence from NZF) may want to keep itself 'clean' as such.

Like I said, sincerely not trying to be nasty, but more hope that some sense can be made of it.

No Australian news agency has mentioned it, but obviously with the internet some here (see Joffa at 4-4-2) can pick up NZ media agency reports as required.
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diego's son wrote:

Oska wrote:
LOL
At him or me? The intent of my message wasn't to be nasty, how much more can I relay this?


I'm going to go out on a limb and say Oska was supporting what Hard News said.

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Fairfax. Gotta have some tabloid vendetta against someone. Whatever. Didn't read it before, this isn't going to make me buy their paper now.


Holy sh*t, someone sold a car? Front page please.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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diego's son wrote:
Oska wrote:
LOL


At him or me? The intent of my message wasn't to be nasty, how much more can I relay this?
Im going to take a massive leap and say at you....
 
What the hell would the FFA care about a beat up from a wellington newspaper about Terry S? They may ask what his situation is actually like (as I know for fact (at least one) sponsors have before signing up for the new season),but other than that...I fail to see what your point is..as usual

Allegedly

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Other significant story inside the paper: Hail disrupts weekend sports. Grade 7 match cancelled.

Obviously it's the off-season.

Reporter needs to come and cover my kids' games:

"Scratch team of 7/8 year olds have a good first up win in slightly windy conditions"

"Muddy conditions* at Vogelmorn spoil a good run for the junior Wharfies"

(*and a pretty nifty opposition player)Junior822010-05-03 21:40:05

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Diego's Son = classic concern troll. Compare his behaviour on this thread with his CONCACAF broken record act.

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Just a thought...
 
The rugby community is very close to the nz media and i wonder if they are scared.. With the success of the nix they may see it as a real threat. They're trying to bring him down..?
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Deeper than that. Al Quaeda are trying to stop the AWs getting to the World cup again because theyre funded by the Bahraini government. Tegal2010-05-03 23:09:44

Allegedly

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No... more likely his higher profile has made him a more useful target esp fronting something like The Apprentice... but the truth is that Terry has had a dodgy reputation amongst certain sections of Wgtn's building community for years and years. thats not passing judgement one way or the other as yes there are a few dodgy developers out there - just pointing out that their stories wdn't sell papers and by his own self promotion his now does stealthkiwi2010-05-03 23:11:39
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