Threat by ACC to wind up Phoenix

I'll never try to be hilariously funny again.

It is my lack of sense of humour. Be not discouraged.

Article updated - http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/4172612/ACC-moves-against-Phoenix

Who will be liquidated first then? If only we still had G*o and *****.

This seems so senseless. Destroying a fairly well run operation for $260k for probable losses of so much more?

/sigh

I used to get worried about articles like these. Now, I just ignore them. Most of them have amounted to nothing bad happening to the club. I've got no idea what could/will happen from this but I'm not worried yet.

The story has gone international: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2010-09-27-135225986_x.htm

Like I said earlier, Terry says he is going to pay, Case closed. The club is run pretty well compared with some other professional outfits, It would be very very strange if the greater Wellington public (in general) would let an outfit like the Phoenix be liquidated. Am I bothered by the dimpost?

The Phoenix's relationship with the dompost is very much governed by the dompos--- USA today's relationship with WRFU as an old world print advertiser.

(WRFU and the NZRFU are both losing money hand over fist - look at the press they get...)

I may be slightly off topic. I like the fact that the Phil Kitchin's the Dominion Post's "investigations editor" is on to to this...    long cold nights in a car staking out Century City.....   

Funny, it's things like ACC that has me saving up for a plane ticket to leave. I much preferred living in the States.

Feelings especially compounded by having to pay ACC and ACC not having to pay out. Been rejected a few times myself, but oddly once covered in a bout of drunken insanity when I sliced open my arm.

Meanwhile, there is no way to be covered for, say, a heart attack through ACC. Incidentally, you don't even get covered through private insurance since it's half-assed here and the hospitals won't deal with you, so you end up in Wellington Hospital anyway.

I'll take private insurance over the ridiculous half-assed public system we have here any day. I mean if we are going to do it, at least do it like Canada and do it right.

Anyway, on topic, I wonder if ACC has considered the potential backlash from this? I guess they don't care because it's not like you can opt out of ACC.

Methinks this is serious..but hopefully resolvable.

If they succeed in liquidating the Nix, this will be a small ripple on what ACC has done (good or bad) to people and organisations in the past. I would say that there would be a minimal backlash.

Can't believe there are so many people hassling the messenger. Fact of the matter is Terry ain't paying the bills. This isn't the first time. Is no one else concerned? Still, I suppose we can hope for a secret blank cheque from NZ football to bail them out. All good.

As a post script, there may be a backlash in the Wellington Nix supporters and maybe the Footballing community, but not many others.

Technically I understand where you are coming from, but when compared with other A league clubs...

According to radio sport they said terry was going to pay up

Well, if people don't like the way that Terry S. strings his creditors along to breaking point, then that's fine. It'll surely be no problem to get another tycoon who's willing to pay $1 million a year out of his own pocket to keep the Nix afloat. Or it can fail and we can all start going to TW games instead, right?

Jesus wept, guys. Some people are never happy with what they've got. And as for the people whining about NZF chipping in to help our only professional football club... that's a classic example of the mentality which has held NZ football back for decades. If the FFA didn't do precisely the same thing with various other A-League clubs we would all be watching the ASB premiership and pretending it was the real thing.

Also: I don't want to sound tinfoilhattish, but remember that rugby blogger saying "Ricki didn't really coach the AWs, Nelsen did, why doesn't poofball get as much media scrutiny as rugby?" Obviously some people have decided that he has a point and they're going to turn the spotlight on.Doloras2010-09-28 12:13:23

Online article updated now. Reckons ACC is pushing ahead with liquidation papers.

 

News or no news, this dude Phil Kitchin has been a weasel since day one.

Press conference at 2.

Radio NZ - just updated

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/57941/football-club-confident-dispute-debt-won%27t-go-to-court

By who? Nix or ACC?

Nix accountant

Nix.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/local/4172612/ACC-moves-against-Phoenix

This is just the way Terry does business.

Really loving this investigative journalism DomPost.

The Nix are a private company owned by Terry, he can run his business in whatever way he wishes. That doesn't mean we all have to sit back and say things are OK does it? People are quite free to voice their concern as it effects the club they have made an emotional investment in. There is probably an ethical message within all of this, while I would be sad if the Nix folded [and acknowledge it as a devastating blow to NZ football in general] if it folds because Terry can't/won't pay his bills on time - that will be a simple fact of life.

Actually, I doubt it, because NZ businesspeople are generally far less willing to make themselves tall poppies in this way than Australians. Why would you do so, if it suddenly meant that everyone you had business problems with or owed money to would run straight to Phil Kitchen to get back at you? I can imagine some Aussie buying the club and moving it to Canberra.

I don't actually condone Terry jerking his creditors around, but I don't think there's any property developer in the country who doesn't do that. Terry is just a target because of his Phoenix ownership - this crap would not be front page news, even business news, if he hadn't made himself a target by buying a football team.

Actually, I don't like NZ's culture whereby we expect every public figure to be a whiter-than-white role model. It's a way of encouraging a conformist, mediocrity-ridden public sphere, and then we wonder why the creative people go overseas.Doloras2010-09-28 12:30:48

Maybe Tony P saw this all coming, could be another reason why we don't have him...

Tony's reason for leaving was family, pure and simple.

Star in The Apprentice, get investigative journalists on your back for the rest of your life

might be a good discussion point for another thread: rank the value of the respective clubs and give the reasons why.

So you don't think the Phoenix & the WRFU are competing for the same dollar?

My view is the WRFU is storing up big trouble. Look at the average age of punters at the Lions- has got to be 10-20 years older. There are few young 20-somethings going to the rugby....

I doubt this would be the end of Terry's Nix, he seems to be way to involved to just give it up on something like this, but if ACC does get its way, maybe Uncle Bill from Porirua will buy the club.

Fair comment. Don't shoot the messenger.     <even if....>

... is that a dodgy euphemism for something? If you're coming up to NHS on October 9, we'll meet up and bring your own possum. ;)