http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4172685/ACC-threatens-to-shut-down-Phoenix
$260,000 owed in levies apparently. In the article, Tel says there is a dispute surrounding the fact that they are covered in Australia and to also pay in NZ is double dipping. I think he has a point there.
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Typical modus operandi for Terry, (and just about everyother property develope in the world) string out what does not have to be paid for as long as possible, but my thoughts are wtf are ACC doing talking to the press about this in the first place.
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Typical modus operandi for Terry, (and just about everyother property develope in the world) string out what does not have to be paid for as long as possible, but my thoughts are wtf are ACC doing talking to the press about this in the first place.
because the press seems to be the only way of getting terry to pay anything these days
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they go to the press cos they have been asked about it......journos going around asking every company that is involved in tax, builiging etc to find out who Terry owes money too. The nix have a fair point int his arguement...the players are registered in aussie and therefore insured over there....why do they need to pay ACC levies here as well? Typical muck rucking again....and poor form from ACC to make it a news item when if they were really going to take the nix to court they would just do it!
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they go to the press cos they have been asked about it......journos going around asking every company that is involved in tax, builiging etc to find out who Terry owes money too. The nix have a fair point int his arguement...the players are registered in aussie and therefore insured over there....why do they need to pay ACC levies here as well? Typical muck rucking again....and poor form from ACC to make it a news item when if they were really going to take the nix to court they would just do it!
[/QUOTESo what if journo's are muck raking, this is a Quasi Government Dept. You would not expect the IRD to pull a similar stunt. Has the prick at ACCnot heard of "no comment?"
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ACC doesn't just cover you on that job, that's why they need to be covered here, and they should be paying it.
My general view is that the Phoenix is taking revenue from the WRFU, and they spend a lot of money on old world style promotions with the dompost.
(Saying that as a hand on heart rugby fan, all be it one who is annoyed with with the way WRFU are mis-manging the Lions marketing.)
My general view is that the Phoenix is taking revenue from the WRFU, and they spend a lot of money on old world style promotions with the dompost.
(Saying that as a hand on heart rugby fan, all be it one who is annoyed with with the way WRFU are mis-manging the Lions marketing.)
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Whilst I am totally against the fact that ACC have made public statements on this rather than just having the balls to go to court, one has to ask, do the medical bills and lost wages get paid by ACC or Australian Insurers.
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What is really confusing me is that the acting CEO of ACC has said they're taking Terry to court, but ACC's actual lawyer has told Terry they haven't. It sounds like the ACC are either (a) confused; or (b) are doing this deliberately to shame Terry into paying up. Either way, I do doubt there will be a court case.
And I still want to know what the DomPost's agenda towards the Phoenix - second most popular pro sports team in Wellington - is.
And I still want to know what the DomPost's agenda towards the Phoenix - second most popular pro sports team in Wellington - is.
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Typical ACC bullying, horrible organisation.
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ACC doesn't just cover you on that job, that's why they need to be covered here, and they should be paying it.
My general view is that the Phoenix is taking revenue from the WRFU, and they spend a lot of money on old world style promotions with the dompost.
(Saying that as a hand on heart rugby fan, all be it one who is annoyed with with the way WRFU are mis-manging the Lions marketing.)
My general view is that the Phoenix is taking revenue from the WRFU, and they spend a lot of money on old world style promotions with the dompost.
(Saying that as a hand on heart rugby fan, all be it one who is annoyed with with the way WRFU are mis-manging the Lions marketing.)
uh, sorry dumbarse here. but what has this go to do with the Wellington Rugby Union?
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Typical ACC bullying, horrible organisation.
They weren't so horrible when I got hit by a car and had months of rehab and am (still) in and out of hospital.
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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Typical ACC bullying, horrible organisation.
They weren't so horrible when I got hit by a car and had months of rehab and am (still) in and out of hospital.
They're just fattening you up so they can eat you.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Typical ACC bullying, horrible organisation.
They weren't so horrible when I got hit by a car and had months of rehab and am (still) in and out of hospital.
YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYED THE PHOENIX
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oh noz
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and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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I've been in the US for 3 weeks now, and many times I have thought "thank goodness we have ACC in New Zealand".
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I've been in the US for 3 weeks now, and many times I have thought "thank goodness we have ACC in New Zealand".
Stay in the US.
They may not be able to pay out if they dont get their $260,000.
Guilty by association
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Typical ACC bullying, horrible organisation.
They weren't so horrible when I got hit by a car and had months of rehab and am (still) in and out of hospital.
They're just fattening you up so they can eat you.
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uh, sorry dumbarse here. but what has this go to do with the Wellington Rugby Union?
The Phoenix's relationship with the dompost is very much governed by the dompost's relationship with WRFU as an old world print advertiser.
(WRFU and the NZRFU are both losing money hand over fist - look at the press they get...)
zonknz2010-09-28 09:59:46
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mikecj2010-09-28 10:04:06Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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uh, sorry dumbarse here. but what has this go to do with the Wellington Rugby Union?
The Phoenix's relationship with the dompost is very much governed by the dompost's relationship with WRFU as an old world print advertiser.
(WRFU and the NZRFU are both losing money hand over fist - look at the press they get...)
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Typical ACC bullying, horrible organisation.
They weren't so horrible when I got hit by a car and had months of rehab and am (still) in and out of hospital.
Good point mikecj (and I hope things get better for you soon!) Despite many faults, ACC is still a bloody good system for dealign with injury- a hell of a lot better than the dodgy insurance companies that came into the sector when it was privatised in the 1990's under the last national government. Getting payout on injuries was difficult, processes drawn out, and some of the bigger companies involved went bust (taking millions of dollars with them).
What worries me is not the just publicity around this (although that is not good for the club), but what seems to be an unwillingness to pay our way. If the levies are due- pay them. If there is dispute about how much, work to resolve the dispute- don't just let the bill mount up, with the obvious bad publicity this entails. Just saying we have had to take out insurance in australia does not absolve us of our legal (and moral) requirements in NZ.
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How do you reckon that foil hat works? Does it act as a shield against electronic mind-tapping or something? Quite resourceful if that's the case.
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I recommend you employ this tactic. Keep Key and his cronies out Marius 
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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Interesting position. I can see two point here.
I would have thought that in the case of the Phoenix paying insurance in Australia, if they use any medical services here, they are billed for the full whack, pay that bill and then claim that back off their Australian insurers. Physio, x-ray, A & E the whole lot.
The other point of view is that if any player gets hurt in any country, then they need to be covered in both countries. How does it work if a visiting team comes here and a player gets injured. Do we not fall under the same conditions if we are paying insurance overseas.
Either way, with stories coming out about the Phoenix, unpaid money and NZF giving them money (legitmate as it seems) you have to ask if where there is smoke, there is fire.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Good point mikecj (and I hope things get better for you soon!) Despite many faults, ACC is still a bloody good system for dealign with injury- a hell of a lot better than the dodgy insurance companies that came into the sector when it was privatised in the 1990's under the last national government. Getting payout on injuries was difficult, processes drawn out, and some of the bigger companies involved went bust (taking millions of dollars with them).What worries me is not the just publicity around this (although that is not good for the club), but what seems to be an unwillingness to pay our way. If the levies are due- pay them. If there is dispute about how much, work to resolve the dispute- don't just let the bill mount up, with the obvious bad publicity this entails. Just saying we have had to take out insurance in australia does not absolve us of our legal (and moral) requirements in NZ.
Thanks, I'm a lot better now. ACC paid for my operation, my time in hospital, all my consultations, my wages while I was off work (about 2 months I think). At times they are a little cold to deal with but that can be said about a lot of government departments who get taken for a ride by a minority who feel they can rip off the system. Also I have heard that private health insurers in NZ are also not so fun to deal with when you are wanting to make a claim involving sometime more than a trip to the Local GP. I have no experience myself to back this 3rd party story.
It could be argued that you could find a cheaper private health insurer - but for my circumstances I haven't found one yet, nor has anyone provided me with enough detail to prove that dissolving ACC would decrease health insurance premiums.
However, this is now going down the 'off topic' track. I'll shut up now.
Signed,
MikeCJ's sore arm.
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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uh, sorry dumbarse here. but what has this go to do with the Wellington Rugby Union?
The Phoenix's relationship with the dompost is very much governed by the dompost's relationship with WRFU as an old world print advertiser.
(WRFU and the NZRFU are both losing money hand over fist - look at the press they get...)
I've read a lot of sh*t on this forum, but this is in the top three.
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Anyway, Terry says he will pay today. Terry won't let us down. Case closed.
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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It is not that Terry doesn't want to pay all the bills, rather his whole empire has hit a huge turbulence and he needs more dough to pay them all. It appears that his empire has been hitting turbulences one after the other!
ACC is not perfect but it is there to look after not only you, me but also Wellington Phoenix players who get injured while playing teh football for all to enjoy. Sh**ting on ACC doesn't help Terry's cause. Terry has no choice but do the right thing, ie pay up asap.
Only solution is to get more people to buy more season passes and buy tickets to support Wellington Phoenix games. Nothing else is useful to Terry and Wellington Phoennix!
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Ah yet another story,blown out of proportion no doubt.
"acc,does Terry owe you money?"
"yes about $260,000"
"if he didn't pay it would you take Jim to court?"
"well yes of course,like we would anybody"
Headline - Acc taking Terry and the Phoenix to court over unpaid levies.
"acc,does Terry owe you money?"
"yes about $260,000"
"if he didn't pay it would you take Jim to court?"
"well yes of course,like we would anybody"
Headline - Acc taking Terry and the Phoenix to court over unpaid levies.
Allegedly
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I really don't know how Terry lets things like this get so far. Actually pisses me off. If there was confusion or whatever he should have opened some dialogue with ACC and the many others who are owed money a long time ago. Hate having to read all these stories about people trying to take him to court for his money etc.
Wouldn't mind another rich, hopefully cleaner guy owning half of the Phoenix so if one gets done or has some monumental failings in the business world we'll still have the other to fall back on.
Wouldn't mind another rich, hopefully cleaner guy owning half of the Phoenix so if one gets done or has some monumental failings in the business world we'll still have the other to fall back on.
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Terry should sell Westpac Stadium and build a smaller one and pay all his bills with the profit 
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and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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This will all be sorted but it is extremely exhausting reading about our club in the financial doldrums every second week. I'll grab my tin foil hat but there has to be someone with a grudge. Also agree with loyalgunner, Century City Football shouldn't be letting things get so out of hand for their to be media beat up about.
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It would be interesting to know how the ACC treat the Warriors and Breakers
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Terry should sell Westpac Stadium and build a smaller one and pay all his bills with the profit
This has been covered many times. Neither Terry Serepisos or Century City own the Westpac Stadium.
Regardless if he did, your plan is not feasible for many reasons.
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Wouldn't mind another rich, hopefully cleaner guy owning half of the Phoenix
That's monumentally naive. Firstly: you don't really get big in the business world by being "clean". (You can get far by appearing clean, but as Allan Hubbard found out, that's not the same thing.) Secondly: the kind of clean, noble, upright citizen you're talking about wouldn't have the ego required to own half of a football team. Thirdly: such a character would take one look at the current fortunes of the A-League and say "no thanks".
In summary: the Nix exist because of Terry. Terry is a property developer and all those people are dodgy to some degree. As long as he's not actually doing anything illegal or running the club badly, his issues with paying his bills are his and his alone, as far as I'm concerned.
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Terry should sell Westpac Stadium and build a smaller one and pay all his bills with the profit
This has been covered many times. Neither Terry Serepisos or Century City own the Westpac Stadium.
Regardless if he did, your plan is not feasible for many reasons.
I know this....
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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Terry should sell Westpac Stadium and build a smaller one and pay all his bills with the profit
This has been covered many times. Neither Terry Serepisos or Century City own the Westpac Stadium.
Regardless if he did, your plan is not feasible for many reasons.
I know this....
Apologies. The amount of re-tard we get on these forums, you can never be quite sure.
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