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Threat by ACC to wind up Phoenix

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Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 
Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
 
Thanks Tony.
 
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it's case closed ladies.

IBTL....
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Dwyer wrote:
Tony P wrote:

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.






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Apologies Tony, wasn't trying to discredit you or question your commitment/loyalty or�anything like that.

Was just an innocent�fleeting thought.

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My humble,�public apologies to you.

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[COLOR=#000000">DKP22[/COLOR"> - Note: to listen to your point of view in future.

Also - Could be time to get a new moniker/yellow fever account.


It's quite alright Dwyer. Much, much stupider things have been said about it before.
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whooooooo wrote:
it's case closed ladies.

IBTL....
 
not really... they paid the money... why did it take the media getting involved for them to pay?
= more bad publicity = another excuse for people not to attend games
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Being paid today.
Can we get on DomPost's case about Phil Kitchin and how he's a terrible journalist? The whole article reeks of scaremongering, doesn't actually offer any proper facts and merely points to an upcoming press conference. You could say that's deliberate, generating press out of nothing, but it just irritates me and I feel media agencies get away with it far too often. Blame America.
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Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA.�Our battle has always been about why we pay� so much to the ACC when our claim is�nowhere near the levy we pay.�But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
�

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.


This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo.

Tony P, we salute you
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what ? people won't attend games because the owner paid fines on time........
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progeny wrote:
Being paid today.
Can we get on DomPost's case about Phil Kitchin and how he's a terrible journalist? The whole article reeks of scaremongering, doesn't actually offer any proper facts and merely points to an upcoming press conference. You could say that's deliberate, generating press out of nothing, but it just irritates me and I feel media agencies get away with it far too often. Blame America.
 
No, blame Canada.
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sthn.jeff wrote:
My contention is that it is the Nixs "fault" should have either been paid or sorted, but I am just astounded that the ACC is making these private matters very public. Once it goes before a court, fair enough it is then public record, unless surpressed, but at this stage the ACC should be saying nothing publicly.


I am convinced that they did this on purpose, to publically shame Terry into coughing up in full right now. And it worked.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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Terry thank you, we love you!
Tony P, thanks for clarifying the situation for us. How we would love for your situation to be resolved, so you could be where you belong...here in NZ!!
 
I can't bitch too much about ACC - personally. I've claimed a lot of money worth of treatment thanks to my injuries since I became a Permanent Resident. However, I see Tony P's point: why do we have to pay so much, especially when we pay top money to an Australian insurance.
 
This seems to be another one of those 'murky areas' where we come out second best for playing in a different nation's competition/conference. Not having a Youth team is another one.

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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Why do we have to pay so much, especially when we pay top money to an Australian insurance.
 


I imagine there is little data in risk profile for Pro Footballers in NZ, so we're probably rated similarly to other NZ pro codes.
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Jade North and Mckain in the AUS squad to play Paraguay. 
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whooooooo wrote:
Jade North and Mckain in the AUS squad to play Paraguay. 
 
Can someone confirm that they are covered by ACC
Teza2010-09-28 14:15:12
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.


This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo.

Tony P, we salute you
Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.
The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.
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Teza wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
Jade North and Mckain in the AUS squad to play Paraguay. 
 
Can someone confirm that they are covered by ACC


Is and was.
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whooooooo wrote:
Teza wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
Jade North and Mckain in the AUS squad to play Paraguay. 
 
Can someone confirm that they are covered by ACC


Is and was.


I think it was referring to North/Mckain, not you, and I think it was a joke.
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yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA.�Our battle has always been about why we pay� so much to the ACC when our claim is�nowhere near the levy we pay.�But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
�

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo. Tony P, we salute you


Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.

The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.

Well then what are the ACC levies for?
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Bullion wrote:
yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo. Tony P, we salute you


Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.

The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.

Well then what are the ACC levies for?
I represent a bunch of companies that pay very large ACC levies, far and away higher than their claims. They dont like it. They pay.
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yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:


Tony P, we salute you
Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.
The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.


Tony = legend.
youmomma get facts straight before tossing it upo eh. Not everyone in NZ pays ACC Employer Levies and it is based on case by case basis according to the risk that business faces. Army , Police all carry their own and part of that due to international case. This is different so if you have inside info about why Dr Kieth McLea decided to break policy and involve media please describe.
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yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.


This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo.

Tony P, we salute you
Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.
The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.
yourmomma, I think Tony P's point is that they've been trying to get some kind of concession (probably because the Nix are theoretically an Australian club based in NZ), not that they're trying to not pay anything. It would be interesting to know what the case is with the Warriors and the Breakers.
 
Are they considered Australian entities? (This may not be so important because they don't have an AFC equivalent to deal with)
Do they have to pay insurance in Australia through the ARL/NBL?
Do ACC charge them similar levies to the Nix? Do they pay them?
wolfman2010-09-28 14:54:41


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Phoenix ACC debt paid

By PHIL KITCHIN - The Dominion Post Last updated 14:45 28/09/2010

LATEST: ACC says it is unfortunate that it took the threat of legal action for the Phoenix A-League football club to clear its debt.

Club owner Terry Serepisos today gave a bank cheque to ACC clearing the $260,000 debt owed for unpaid levies.

The club held a press conference this afternoon outlining the payment dispute the club had with ACC.

Brett Whyte, the director of Whyte Group which was brought in to help the deal with the ACC debt, said there had been a repayment plan in place. However, but the club missed a payment at the end of last month which prompted the legal action by ACC.

ACC spokesman Laurie Edwards confirmed that the bill had been paid and legal action withdrawn.

In a statement issued this afternoon, ACC acting chief executive Keith McLea said it was odd that the situation should "shock" Mr Serepisos since the football boss had known about it for some time.

ACC had not entered into an agreement with Century City Football last week as had been claimed, Dr McLea said.

Century City had offered another payment plan but this was declined based on ACC's previous experience with the club.

Mr Edwards said: "It is unfortunate that it took the threat of legal action to achieve this payment."

"But we are pleased it has been paid."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/4174252/Phoenix-ACC-debt-paid
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YAY!
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Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 
Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
 
I think I love this man more than Paul Ifill.
wolfman2010-09-28 15:20:29


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Bullion wrote:
yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA.�Our battle has always been about why we pay� so much to the ACC when our claim is�nowhere near the levy we pay.�But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
�

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo. Tony P, we salute you


Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.

The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.
Well then what are the ACC levies for?

I represent a bunch of companies that pay very large ACC levies, far and away higher than their claims. They dont like it. They pay.

It seems to me that the Phoenix have to have some sort of Insurance in Australia as well as pay ACC levies covering the same sort of thing.

I have no problem the Phoenix paying ACC levies if it was not compulsory for them to pay some form of Insurance on top of that in Australia (any extra insurance the Phoenix want to purchase is fine). I am not sure if the Australian insurance is due to players being registered in Australia or conditions of the FFA licence. If it is the conditions of the FFA licence then maybe a deal could be made to reduce/remove those payments so as stated in the article, the Phoenix aren't "doubling up".
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wolfman wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 
Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
 
I think I love this man more than Paul Ifiil.
 
 
hate that it had to be dragged throught the press but at least it's sorted.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 
Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.
 
Legend = Tony P
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@ Bullion I would think the players insurance covers the chance the player cant play ever again due to injury etc
@ Wolfman one way around it would be to pay the players in Aus that way its not classed as NZ earnings
@ skylab .. you have no clue
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From the many stories between Terry Serepisos and his contractors, Lower Hutt City Council, Wellington City Council etc, and now, with ACC, it appears that Tery has been a repeat offender in not paying bills but dispute the bills as a ploy to delay payments! For such repeat offending, harsher measures must be taken and pubilicity is part of them. Publicity and taken together with legal actions, this got Terry off to a flying start and came up with the bank cheque to ACC.
 
Would Terry allow his customers and debtors not to pay up on time? He would have taken legal actions yonks ago. In Phoenix terms, would he allow members to get membershp passes without paying up? Bet Terry would have none of that.
 
Fair is fair, Terry needs to make a choice, ie get his own house oi order and act like a legend! Posters here should not make more immature and ill-informed accusations about Dom Post or ACC or anyone for that matter. If anything, Terry and his mamanegment team have be at fault all the way by not paying up!!
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AngusBeef wrote:
From the many stories between Terry Serepisos and his contractors, Lower Hutt City Council, Wellington City Council etc, and now, with ACC, it appears that Tery has been a repeat offender in not paying bills but dispute the bills as a ploy to delay payments! For such repeat offending, harsher measures must be taken and pubilicity is part of them. Publicity and taken together with legal actions, this got Terry off to a flying start and came up with the bank cheque to ACC.
 
Would Terry allow his customers and debtors not to pay up on time? He would have taken legal actions yonks ago. In Phoenix terms, would he allow members to get membershp passes without paying up? Bet Terry would have none of that.
 
Fair is fair, Terry needs to make a choice, ie get his own house oi order and act like a legend! Posters here should not make more immature and ill-informed accusations about Dom Post or ACC or anyone for that matter. If anything, Terry and his mamanegment team have be at fault all the way by not paying up!!
Well said this man!

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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does it ever occur to people that, especially in Terry's line of work if you're not paid, you often can't pay yourself?

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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wolfman wrote:
yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.


This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo.

Tony P, we salute you
Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.
The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.
yourmomma, I think Tony P's point is that they've been trying to get some kind of concession (probably because the Nix are theoretically an Australian club based in NZ), not that they're trying to not pay anything. It would be interesting to know what the case is with the Warriors and the Breakers.
 
Are they considered Australian entities? (This may not be so important because they don't have an AFC equivalent to deal with)
Do they have to pay insurance in Australia through the ARL/NBL?
Do ACC charge them similar levies to the Nix? Do they pay them?


yeah, my view is that if the Phoenix (or anyone else) was in the situation of having to pay insurance in an Australian competition, that is where the negotiation should be- trying to reduce the insurance premiums due to being covered by ACC, not the other way around.

And the comment that "our claim is no where near the levy we pay" is spurious. In a general sense, that is what happens with insurance (or, in this case, ACC) premiums. Always annoying until the day you need to make a big claim . . .  which you hope never to have to do, because it would clearly mean a major injury with ongoing costs to ACC, and thus, potentially career ending for a player.

Glad that it has been paid, and hopefully we can avoid this kind of public mess again.

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bopman wrote:
AngusBeef wrote:
From the many stories between Terry Serepisos and his contractors, Lower Hutt City Council, Wellington City Council etc, and now, with ACC, it appears that Tery has been a repeat offender in not paying bills but dispute the bills as a ploy to delay payments! For such repeat offending, harsher measures must be taken and pubilicity is part of them. Publicity and taken together with legal actions, this got Terry off to a flying start and came up with the bank cheque to ACC.
 
Would Terry allow his customers and debtors not to pay up on time? He would have taken legal actions yonks ago. In Phoenix terms, would he allow members to get membershp passes without paying up? Bet Terry would have none of that.
 
Fair is fair, Terry needs to make a choice, ie get his own house oi order and act like a legend! Posters here should not make more immature and ill-informed accusations about Dom Post or ACC or anyone for that matter. If anything, Terry and his mamanegment team have be at fault all the way by not paying up!!
Well said this man!
 
+1 Legend.
 
If Terry had paid his fees on time we wouldn't even have this thread. Good on the ACC for going to the press, I would if it meant actaully getting the money owed. I highly doubt it would have been solved this quickly had it not gone to the Dom Post.
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anyone got any debts owed to them that they'd like Phil Kitchen to plaster over tomorrow's DomPost front page?  $10 from your neighbour perhaps??
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I am still waiting on that cup of sugar back from the neighbours.
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Phil Kitchen owes me $50 for a gobby down marion street last friday night, cheap bastard said he'd pay me back but still nothing. I think i'll threaten legal action
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I think we'll see more of this now, businesses know if they go public about any unpaid money big or small the Dom Post will build it up and Terry will pay.

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yourmomma wrote:
@ Bullion I would think the players insurance covers the chance the player cant play ever again due to injury etc
@ Wolfman one way around it would be to pay the players in Aus that way its not classed as NZ earnings
@ skylab .. you have no clue


@ yourmomma =  idiot!
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wolfman wrote:
yourmomma wrote:
ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Tony P wrote:
This is crazy. We pay huge fess to the ACC as well as a lot of money to our insurance company for our players which we have to by FFA. Our battle has always been about why we pay  so much to the ACC when our claim is nowhere near the levy we pay. But they are a stubborn department. Rest assured the Phoenix will not fold, Terry will never let that happen.
 

Also this is not the reason why I left. If I could resolve my family situation I would be back in NZ fronting the media today and supporting Terry. I LOVE this club. Hope that clears it up.


This is why Tony P is an absolute legend. Even though there seems to be a clear consensus that this is just muckraking journalism, for the former CEO to give the middle finger to ACC on behalf of the fans is legendary imo.

Tony P, we salute you
Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.
The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.
yourmomma, I think Tony P's point is that they've been trying to get some kind of concession (probably because the Nix are theoretically an Australian club based in NZ), not that they're trying to not pay anything. It would be interesting to know what the case is with the Warriors and the Breakers.
 
Are they considered Australian entities? (This may not be so important because they don't have an AFC equivalent to deal with)
Do they have to pay insurance in Australia through the ARL/NBL?
Do ACC charge them similar levies to the Nix? Do they pay them?


Century City Football is a New Zealad company

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whooooooo is this yourmomma person ???

he should keep his mouth shut because he clearly does not know what he is talking about.
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Isn't the DomPost a (small) sponsor of the Nix?
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